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"Jesus is the answer."
#14091838 - 03/09/11 10:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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To what? 
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: [Re: Poid]
#14091902 - 03/09/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Jesus Christ is a code name for this rational phylogenic ultra personalty which can only be summoned by the passion and death of the ontogenic irrational self." -PKD from In Pursuit of Valis
I wasn't sure what phylogenic or ontogenic meant so ... phylogeny - 1. The evolutionary development and history of a species or higher taxonomic grouping of organisms. Also called phylogenesis. 2. The evolutionary development of an organ or other part of an organism: the phylogeny of the amphibian intestinal tract.
ontogeny - The origin and development of an individual organism from embryo to adult.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
#14091916 - 03/09/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Who or what is PKD, and how does that quote answer my question?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14091920 - 03/09/11 11:08 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Philip K. Dick
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
#14091929 - 03/09/11 11:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said: ...how does that quote answer my question?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid] 1
#14091951 - 03/09/11 11:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Who is the alleged son of god and virgin mary?"
did i winz?
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Poid said: ...how does that quote answer my question?
From my understanding Dick could be suggesting that Jesus is sort of like the higher (rational)self. The alien computer self from the 4th dimension/the spirit guide/Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe. And I'm guessing it could be considered an answer to the unlocking of the linear mind. Kind of like, how Anton Wilson (if you're familiar) talk about switching reality tunnels and realizing the subjectivity of rational thought ... maybe?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
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godisanastronaut said: "Who is the alleged son of god and virgin mary?"
did i winz? 
As a matter of fact, you did!

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Poid said: ...how does that quote answer my question?
From my understanding Dick could be suggesting that Jesus is sort of like the higher (rational)self.
Who cares what he's suggesting, I'm talking about the Jesus in Bible, not some random science-fiction writer's New Age-esque interpretation of what Jesus is.
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Sprinter24 said: The alien computer self from the 4th dimension/the spirit guide/Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe.
, dude, what the hell are you talking about? 
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Sprinter24 said: And I'm guessing it could be considered an answer to the unlocking of the linear mind.
What do you mean by the "linear mind"?
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Sprinter24 said: Kind of like, how Anton Wilson (if you're familiar) talk about switching reality tunnels and realizing the subjectivity of rational thought ... maybe?
I don't know what is meant by "switching reality tunnels", and I'm not sure what's so phenomenal about realizing the subjectivity of rational thought.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14092091 - 03/09/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ooooh ... Jesus IN the Bible. So like, the canonical Jesus-- Well, in that case, would it be that Jesus was the answer to Constantine's problem of needing a religous order to unify Rome?
On a slightly different but related note.
Here's some quotes supposedly from Jesus:
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Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
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"I am your disciple."
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Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
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His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"
"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.
Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
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Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
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Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
So, based on what Jesus is saying here-- what do you think he thought he was? And is he talking about his physical body?
How does what Jesus is talking about relate to Dick's interpretation of Jesus?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
#14092128 - 03/09/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sprinter24 said: Ooooh ... Jesus IN the Bible. So like, the canonical Jesus-- Well, in that case, would it be that Jesus was the answer to Constantine's problem of needing a religous order to unify Rome?
I seriously doubt that's what people mean when they preach "Jesus is the answer." to the masses, most people don't even know who the fuck Constantine is. I think they're trying to say that he's the answer to life, or something like that, but what is that even supposed to mean?
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Sprinter24 said: On a slightly different but related note.
Here's some quotes supposedly from Jesus:
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Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
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"I am your disciple."
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Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
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His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"
"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.
Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
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Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
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Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
So, based on what Jesus is saying here-- what do you think he thought he was? And is he talking about his physical body?
I don't give a shit about what he thought about himself, or what he was talking about, I just want to know what people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer.".
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Sprinter24 said: How does what Jesus is talking about relate to Dick's interpretation of Jesus?
I'm not sure why it matters for the purposes of this thread.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14092187 - 03/09/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Sprinter24 said: Ooooh ... Jesus IN the Bible. So like, the canonical Jesus-- Well, in that case, would it be that Jesus was the answer to Constantine's problem of needing a religous order to unify Rome?
I seriously doubt that's what people mean when they preach "Jesus is the answer." to the masses, most people don't even know who the fuck Constantine is. I think they're trying to say that he's the answer to life, or something like that, but what is that even supposed to mean?
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irie.one said: On a slightly different but related note.
Here's some quotes supposedly from Jesus:
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Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
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"I am your disciple."
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Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
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His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"
"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.
Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
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Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
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Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
So, based on what Jesus is saying here-- what do you think he thought he was? And is he talking about his physical body?
I don't give a shit about what he thought about himself, or what he was talking about, I just want to know what people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer.".
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irie.one said: How does what Jesus is talking about relate to Dick's interpretation of Jesus?
I'm not sure why it matters for the purposes of this thread. 
Hmm Poid, looks like some quote errors being made, I haven't posted in this thread until now . And those comments certainly don't share my views on Jesus Christ!
Honestly, I don't think people have a clue what is going on when they say "Jesus is the answer." My closest guess would be that the teachings of Christ could be used to answer most questions a religious person might have, and since they already think he's their lord and savior, of course that is the first place they would go to when in time of need. That's all religion is anyway in my opinion, a source of answers for those who refuse to acknowledge why we exist or other scientific realities like evolution. For those who follow it, religion gives life a purpose. I'm entirely confident that my life has a purpose without any ties to religion, and I know many others who feel the same.
People just put too much stock in God and Jesus and in some cases can lead to what I would consider to be delusions, like a pastor in the South who's holding his hand on some old guy's head shaking it violently with his eyes crossed and with a loud yelp or something he comes out of whatever trance he was in and announces to the congregation that Jesus has cured this man of his ailments.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14092188 - 03/09/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ah ... I see what you're getting at. I think what most people believe something along the lines of what this girl says in this video.
For why escaping the "irrational" linear mind was important to Dick it was because he thought that, I think, the linear mind stops us from being in real time.
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Skip to about 9 minutes in and they kind of give a rough idea of what Dick was on about.
It seems like he was kind of nuts, but I think the underlying concepts are incredibly interesting. Sorry about going off topic. I'll stop now. :-D
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: irie.one]
#14092222 - 03/09/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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irie.one said: Hmm Poid, looks like some quote errors being made, I haven't posted in this thread until now . And those comments certainly don't share my views on Jesus Christ!
Oops, my bad. 
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irie.one said: Honestly, I don't think people have a clue what is going on when they say "Jesus is the answer." My closest guess would be that the teachings of Christ could be used to answer most questions a religious person might have, and since they already think he's their lord and savior, of course that is the first place they would go to when in time of need.
Christians often say this to non-Christians, though; they apparently use it as a slogan to help recruit people. This implies that they believe Jesus is the answer for everybody, not just religious people.
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irie.one said: That's all religion is anyway in my opinion, a source of answers for those who refuse to acknowledge why we exist or other scientific realities like evolution. For those who follow it, religion gives life a purpose. I'm entirely confident that my life has a purpose without any ties to religion, and I know many others who feel the same.
Are you saying that you've created your own subjective purpose, or that you think your life has some objective purpose?
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irie.one said: People just put too much stock in God and Jesus and in some cases can lead to what I would consider to be delusions, like a pastor in the South who's holding his hand on some old guy's head shaking it violently with his eyes crossed and with a loud yelp or something he comes out of whatever trance he was in and announces to the congregation that Jesus has cured this man of his ailments.
Yeah, that shit is like, so fuckin' weird...
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
#14092238 - 03/09/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sprinter24 said: Sorry about going off topic. I'll stop now. :-D
I'll watch those videos later, I'm pretty tired right now. 
Which reminds me (for some reason), I need to take my mood off of STONED because I ran out of weed, and am not stoned anymore.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14092279 - 03/09/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let's not overlook my favorite Jesus quote after his long fast in the desert: "I am really fucking hungry!"
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14092283 - 03/09/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sprinter24 said: Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe.
What is this rabbit you mention? 
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Poid said: To what?
All of life's problems.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: deCypher]
#14092327 - 03/09/11 12:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Let's not overlook my favorite Jesus quote after his long fast in the desert: "I am really fucking hungry!"

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Sprinter24 said: Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe.
What is this rabbit you mention? 

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Poid said: To what?
All of life's problems. 
How so? How can a fictional character be an objective answer for absolutely everybody's life's problems?
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#14092329 - 03/09/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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How so? How can a fictional character be an objective answer for absolutely everybody's life's problems?
Proof that Jesus is fictional?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14092343 - 03/09/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cuz... he's Jesus, man. He can do ANYTHING.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
#14092355 - 03/09/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It was a gaint rabbit. Can't you read?
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