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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14081289 - 03/07/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

And it was in utah


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Cactilove]
    #14081352 - 03/07/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ic, that makes sense, some similar tribes down there, nations interacted quite a bit. Of course sometimes the layout of different groups doesn't make sense because of displacement though, so it could be more closely related too.

Sounds like you had a good experience though, glad to hear it man


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Icelander]
    #14085486 - 03/08/11 07:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:  Modern Indians are in worse shape then most of America overall.




same with canada...

watching them pass around mouthwash in an alley to get drunk doesn't do much for their image... nor does the fact certain brands of hairspray/lysol are either kept behind the counter, or not even sold anymore due to theft...

I know most natives aren't like that... but the majority of shitty, lysol chuggin, change bummin scum are natives around here... or anywhere else where there's a reserve nearby.

and it's all my fault they're like that because I'm white  :whatever:

I'm really not racist... I just live in southern AB


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: LuSiD9]
    #14085534 - 03/08/11 08:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The spirit of those people along with their culture was broken. In it's place we offered them the american dream. I don't blame them for struggling. But that's life. Many of the braves chose to die fighting and the best of the indian spirit died with them imo.


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Icelander]
    #14085546 - 03/08/11 08:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Many of the braves chose to die fighting and the best of the indian spirit died with them imo.




Took the fighter genetics out of the gene pool.


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Cups]
    #14085572 - 03/08/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

But the casino genes are alive and well. :lol:


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Icelander]
    #14085584 - 03/08/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Good thing OC can't post over here. :lol:




:lol: that's the first thing i thought when i saw the thread title


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Icelander]
    #14085656 - 03/08/11 08:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The spirit of those people along with their culture was broken. In it's place we offered them the american dream. I don't blame them for struggling. But that's life. Many of the braves chose to die fighting and the best of the indian spirit died with them imo.



you should read the story of sitting bull if you aren't familiar with it. After they were defeated they were forced to live in houses on a reservation, but their entire culture was centered around hunting buffalo on the plain, so their spirit was indeed broken -they had to eat food that wasn't theirs', live in a place they didn't care for, etc etc and mclaughlin who was in charge of the reservation tried very hard to assimilate them-basically they could be punished for exhibiting cultural traditions too much, etc etc etc.

one of the biggest things though is that they were forced to be reliant on food from the government so they would have no choice but stay on the reservation. That was around the turn of the century so its not really any wonder that in a little over one hundred years a people that have no economy and no cultural traditions that really "work" with ours, so many of them end up kind of stuck in between our culture and their old culture, barely surviving on the edge. I've known quite a few natives that lived on the land- no electricity or job or anything, just hunting, a little money here and there for ramen (which they said they eat dry)  or clothes, but people sleep in houses with no roofs, no heating etc in the winter  and all sorts of crazy shit.


the point I'm making basically is that you can't really expect to take a culture that lives in a certain environment, with a certain way of sustaining themselves, certain beliefs and traditions, this whole life and stick em all in a field somewhere, in a different environment, with little to no available way of breaking into our economy, give em just barely enough help to survive, just kind of waiting for them to assimilate, and expect them to be economically stable within just over a hundred years-its just not going to happen

I'm not saying there aren't any bums, alcoholics, etc and they never do anything wrong, but I just have found that with a lot of natives I talk to that there is a big feeling of hopelessness that things will ever work out, and a struggle to stick with their culture and yet be successful and stable in our american economy-I had a friend who moved from the rez and went to a private school (scholarship for football) and goes to college and has a job and an apartment and is doing well-and he fuckin hates it and last I heard he was planning to move back to his reservation. 

so I think this would be a good example where affirmative action of some sort may be necessary as a catalyst to a stable solution for all these people. I think we just need to work with reservations to find an economic strategy that will allow them to retain many of their important traditions and current ways of life, but in such a way that their kids can go to school and start to develop their own reservations with their own stable economy


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14085660 - 03/08/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've read it and most of the books on the American indians.  I admired their lifestyle in many ways but not all.


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: LuSiD9] * 1
    #14087594 - 03/08/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Man that borderline rascist. All the homeless spanging crack dealers are blacks that smoke new ports and make alcohol soaked smoothies and eat fried chicken while robbing convinence stores. Sounds fucked up huh ya. Well shit nigga hope you got my point that it's obvious that it doesn't matter what race or color we are and that all of us like to get high on something wether it's alcohol or crack or even jesus and that's not saying that each race may take this substance and strictly stick to it. There are morman mothers out where I live that get high on Jesus while taking a huge hit of meth.


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Cactilove]
    #14090140 - 03/08/11 11:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Man that borderline rascist. All the homeless spanging crack dealers are blacks that smoke new ports and make alcohol soaked smoothies and eat fried chicken while robbing convinence stores. Sounds fucked up huh ya. Well shit nigga hope you got my point that it's obvious that it doesn't matter what race or color we are and that all of us like to get high on something wether it's alcohol or crack or even jesus and that's not saying that each race may take this substance and strictly stick to it. There are morman mothers out where I live that get high on Jesus while taking a huge hit of meth.




I take it you've never been in southern AB canada... we also have LOADS of mormons by the way, in fact, they built an exact replica of the mormon temple in salt lake city, only smaller, in a town about 30 mins away from here...

you are right though, it is borderline racist... but seriously, 95% of the homeless people here are natives, and believe me, they aren't the most passive panhandlers... and the fact I have to ASK for scope mouthwash because they keep it behind the counter is kinda fucked up...

I used to live on the streets in calgary for like 2 years, and seriously, they are the most hurtin, drunkin, most aggressive people downtown.... they will gang beat you for a cig if you say you don't have any

I really have nothing but respect for the native culture and the ones who are trying to preserve it... but the ones I'm talking about really do give their race a bad name.... at least around here.

and just for the record, my best friend is a native.


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: LuSiD9]
    #14091111 - 03/09/11 06:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

whats so great about scope mouthwash that they have to keep it behind a counter?

why not just get regular alcohol?

i don't get it.


is scope special or somethang?


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: I AM SWIM]
    #14091618 - 03/09/11 10:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I AM SWIM said:
whats so great about scope mouthwash that they have to keep it behind a counter?

why not just get regular alcohol?

i don't get it.


is scope special or somethang?




exactly

maybe it's cheaper, easier to steal... I dunno... but the whole area near the drop in center is littered with scope bottles and 'extra hold' finesse hairspray cans... I'll take a picture if I have to

I know it has alcohol in it... but it's the wrong kind, makes them walk funny even YEARS after they stop using... it's fucked

I've literally watched a group of natives pass around a bottle of scope around like it was whiskey, in broad daylight... and no, they weren't freshening their breath :tongue:


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: LuSiD9]
    #14091650 - 03/09/11 10:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yep wrong kind. if you drink isopropyl it can really fuck you up, not that drinking moutwash is good for you lol. btw I have read somewhere that 151 rum has a different kind of alcohol or different quality or something (forget the details) which is why there are some crazy stories with 151


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14091714 - 03/09/11 10:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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yep wrong kind. if you drink isopropyl it can really fuck you up...


Haha, I know some dumbass kid who took a double-shot of that shit; it was hilarious, he was coughing with completely bloodshot watery eyes for the next 10-15 minutes. :awelol:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Poid]
    #14091759 - 03/09/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.bimrc.ca/index.php?page=Admission

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Note: All prescription or non-prescription drugs or anything containing alcohol, (eg: hair spray, mouthwash, cologne or perfume  etc.  has to be turned in at front desk




^^ rehab center not far from where i live


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Poid]
    #14091776 - 03/09/11 10:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Poid said:
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1tokeovrtheline said:
yep wrong kind. if you drink isopropyl it can really fuck you up...


Haha, I know some dumbass kid who took a double-shot of that shit; it was hilarious, he was coughing with completely bloodshot watery eyes for the next 10-15 minutes. :awelol:




I have a good buddy... white... who chugged a bunch of iso one night being an idiot, he now has to go for surgery soon, he just about died.

shits bad


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: LuSiD9]
    #14091828 - 03/09/11 10:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah it's horrible--I even told the kid not to do it, we had a bottle of real shit; I guess he was just trying to be daring or some shit.


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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: Poid]
    #14091847 - 03/09/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Some people are so :picard: You can get a bottle of crystal palace for like 8 bucks. If your going to poison yourself at least do it right.

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Re: Sweat lodge experiences [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14091868 - 03/09/11 10:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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c0sm0nautt said:
Some people are so :picard: You can get a bottle of crystal palace for like 8 bucks. If your going to poison yourself at least do it right.



haha reminds me of those middle school days takin shots of karkov  :scat:


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