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"Jesus is the answer."
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To what? 
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Re: [Re: Poid]
#14091902 - 03/09/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Jesus Christ is a code name for this rational phylogenic ultra personalty which can only be summoned by the passion and death of the ontogenic irrational self." -PKD from In Pursuit of Valis
I wasn't sure what phylogenic or ontogenic meant so ... phylogeny - 1. The evolutionary development and history of a species or higher taxonomic grouping of organisms. Also called phylogenesis. 2. The evolutionary development of an organ or other part of an organism: the phylogeny of the amphibian intestinal tract.
ontogeny - The origin and development of an individual organism from embryo to adult.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
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Who or what is PKD, and how does that quote answer my question?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Philip K. Dick
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
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Poid said: ...how does that quote answer my question?
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"Who is the alleged son of god and virgin mary?"
did i winz?
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Poid said: ...how does that quote answer my question?
From my understanding Dick could be suggesting that Jesus is sort of like the higher (rational)self. The alien computer self from the 4th dimension/the spirit guide/Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe. And I'm guessing it could be considered an answer to the unlocking of the linear mind. Kind of like, how Anton Wilson (if you're familiar) talk about switching reality tunnels and realizing the subjectivity of rational thought ... maybe?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
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godisanastronaut said: "Who is the alleged son of god and virgin mary?"
did i winz? 
As a matter of fact, you did!

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Poid said: ...how does that quote answer my question?
From my understanding Dick could be suggesting that Jesus is sort of like the higher (rational)self.
Who cares what he's suggesting, I'm talking about the Jesus in Bible, not some random science-fiction writer's New Age-esque interpretation of what Jesus is.
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Sprinter24 said: The alien computer self from the 4th dimension/the spirit guide/Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe.
, dude, what the hell are you talking about? 
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Sprinter24 said: And I'm guessing it could be considered an answer to the unlocking of the linear mind.
What do you mean by the "linear mind"?
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Sprinter24 said: Kind of like, how Anton Wilson (if you're familiar) talk about switching reality tunnels and realizing the subjectivity of rational thought ... maybe?
I don't know what is meant by "switching reality tunnels", and I'm not sure what's so phenomenal about realizing the subjectivity of rational thought.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Ooooh ... Jesus IN the Bible. So like, the canonical Jesus-- Well, in that case, would it be that Jesus was the answer to Constantine's problem of needing a religous order to unify Rome?
On a slightly different but related note.
Here's some quotes supposedly from Jesus:
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Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
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"I am your disciple."
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Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
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His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"
"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.
Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
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Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
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Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
So, based on what Jesus is saying here-- what do you think he thought he was? And is he talking about his physical body?
How does what Jesus is talking about relate to Dick's interpretation of Jesus?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
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Sprinter24 said: Ooooh ... Jesus IN the Bible. So like, the canonical Jesus-- Well, in that case, would it be that Jesus was the answer to Constantine's problem of needing a religous order to unify Rome?
I seriously doubt that's what people mean when they preach "Jesus is the answer." to the masses, most people don't even know who the fuck Constantine is. I think they're trying to say that he's the answer to life, or something like that, but what is that even supposed to mean?
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Sprinter24 said: On a slightly different but related note.
Here's some quotes supposedly from Jesus:
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Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
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"I am your disciple."
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Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
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His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"
"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.
Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
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Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
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Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
So, based on what Jesus is saying here-- what do you think he thought he was? And is he talking about his physical body?
I don't give a shit about what he thought about himself, or what he was talking about, I just want to know what people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer.".
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Sprinter24 said: How does what Jesus is talking about relate to Dick's interpretation of Jesus?
I'm not sure why it matters for the purposes of this thread.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Sprinter24 said: Ooooh ... Jesus IN the Bible. So like, the canonical Jesus-- Well, in that case, would it be that Jesus was the answer to Constantine's problem of needing a religous order to unify Rome?
I seriously doubt that's what people mean when they preach "Jesus is the answer." to the masses, most people don't even know who the fuck Constantine is. I think they're trying to say that he's the answer to life, or something like that, but what is that even supposed to mean?
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irie.one said: On a slightly different but related note.
Here's some quotes supposedly from Jesus:
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Jesus said to her, "I am the one who comes from what is whole. I was granted from the things of my Father."
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"I am your disciple."
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Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
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His disciples said to him, "Who are you to say these things to us?"
"You don't understand who I am from what I say to you.
Rather, you have become like the Judeans, for they love the tree but hate its fruit, or they love the fruit but hate the tree."
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Jesus said, "Where there are three deities, they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one."
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Jesus said to his disciples, "Compare me to something and tell me what I am like."
Simon Peter said to him, "You are like a just messenger."
Matthew said to him, "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to him, "Teacher, my mouth is utterly unable to say what you are like."
Jesus said, "I am not your teacher. Because you have drunk, you have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring that I have tended."
And he took him, and withdrew, and spoke three sayings to him. When Thomas came back to his friends they asked him, "What did Jesus say to you?"
Thomas said to them, "If I tell you one of the sayings he spoke to me, you will pick up rocks and stone me, and fire will come from the rocks and devour you."
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
So, based on what Jesus is saying here-- what do you think he thought he was? And is he talking about his physical body?
I don't give a shit about what he thought about himself, or what he was talking about, I just want to know what people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer.".
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irie.one said: How does what Jesus is talking about relate to Dick's interpretation of Jesus?
I'm not sure why it matters for the purposes of this thread. 
Hmm Poid, looks like some quote errors being made, I haven't posted in this thread until now . And those comments certainly don't share my views on Jesus Christ!
Honestly, I don't think people have a clue what is going on when they say "Jesus is the answer." My closest guess would be that the teachings of Christ could be used to answer most questions a religious person might have, and since they already think he's their lord and savior, of course that is the first place they would go to when in time of need. That's all religion is anyway in my opinion, a source of answers for those who refuse to acknowledge why we exist or other scientific realities like evolution. For those who follow it, religion gives life a purpose. I'm entirely confident that my life has a purpose without any ties to religion, and I know many others who feel the same.
People just put too much stock in God and Jesus and in some cases can lead to what I would consider to be delusions, like a pastor in the South who's holding his hand on some old guy's head shaking it violently with his eyes crossed and with a loud yelp or something he comes out of whatever trance he was in and announces to the congregation that Jesus has cured this man of his ailments.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Ah ... I see what you're getting at. I think what most people believe something along the lines of what this girl says in this video.
For why escaping the "irrational" linear mind was important to Dick it was because he thought that, I think, the linear mind stops us from being in real time.
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Skip to about 9 minutes in and they kind of give a rough idea of what Dick was on about.
It seems like he was kind of nuts, but I think the underlying concepts are incredibly interesting. Sorry about going off topic. I'll stop now. :-D
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: irie.one]
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irie.one said: Hmm Poid, looks like some quote errors being made, I haven't posted in this thread until now . And those comments certainly don't share my views on Jesus Christ!
Oops, my bad. 
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irie.one said: Honestly, I don't think people have a clue what is going on when they say "Jesus is the answer." My closest guess would be that the teachings of Christ could be used to answer most questions a religious person might have, and since they already think he's their lord and savior, of course that is the first place they would go to when in time of need.
Christians often say this to non-Christians, though; they apparently use it as a slogan to help recruit people. This implies that they believe Jesus is the answer for everybody, not just religious people.
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irie.one said: That's all religion is anyway in my opinion, a source of answers for those who refuse to acknowledge why we exist or other scientific realities like evolution. For those who follow it, religion gives life a purpose. I'm entirely confident that my life has a purpose without any ties to religion, and I know many others who feel the same.
Are you saying that you've created your own subjective purpose, or that you think your life has some objective purpose?
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irie.one said: People just put too much stock in God and Jesus and in some cases can lead to what I would consider to be delusions, like a pastor in the South who's holding his hand on some old guy's head shaking it violently with his eyes crossed and with a loud yelp or something he comes out of whatever trance he was in and announces to the congregation that Jesus has cured this man of his ailments.
Yeah, that shit is like, so fuckin' weird...
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
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Sprinter24 said: Sorry about going off topic. I'll stop now. :-D
I'll watch those videos later, I'm pretty tired right now. 
Which reminds me (for some reason), I need to take my mood off of STONED because I ran out of weed, and am not stoned anymore.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Let's not overlook my favorite Jesus quote after his long fast in the desert: "I am really fucking hungry!"
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Sprinter24 said: Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe.
What is this rabbit you mention? 
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Poid said: To what?
All of life's problems.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: deCypher]
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OrgoneConclusion said: Let's not overlook my favorite Jesus quote after his long fast in the desert: "I am really fucking hungry!"

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Poid said: To what?
All of life's problems. 
How so? How can a fictional character be an objective answer for absolutely everybody's life's problems?
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How so? How can a fictional character be an objective answer for absolutely everybody's life's problems?
Proof that Jesus is fictional?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Cuz... he's Jesus, man. He can do ANYTHING.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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It was a gaint rabbit. Can't you read?
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There's no reliable proof that he actually existed, he's the same thing as the FSM, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny as far as I'm concerned.
Jesus myth theory - Wikipedia
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There is no archeological evidence of his existence. There are no contemporaneous accounts of his life or death: no eyewitness accounts, or any other kind of first-hand record. All the accounts of Jesus come from decades or centuries later; the gospels themselves all come from later times, though they may contain earlier sources or oral traditions. The earliest writings that survive are the letters of Paul of Tarsus, written 20–30 years after the dates given for Jesus's death. Paul was not a companion of Jesus, White writes, nor does he ever claim to have seen Jesus before his death...
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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irie.one said: Hmm Poid, looks like some quote errors being made, I haven't posted in this thread until now . And those comments certainly don't share my views on Jesus Christ!
Oops, my bad.
Man, giving me a bad rep! 
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irie.one said: Honestly, I don't think people have a clue what is going on when they say "Jesus is the answer." My closest guess would be that the teachings of Christ could be used to answer most questions a religious person might have, and since they already think he's their lord and savior, of course that is the first place they would go to when in time of need.
Christians often say this to non-Christians, though; they apparently use it as a slogan to help recruit people. This implies that they believe Jesus is the answer for everybody, not just religious people.
Maybe this is something we as psychedelic users can relate to... After my first mushroom trip I came to and thought that everyone should experience that kind of enlightenment that I did. I almost had pity on the people around me who are confined to their thoughts that I was just released from. That said, I didn't get all preachy, I just internalized my feelings for the next time I was to trip. But perhaps it's the religious folks who find that following Jesus's teachings leads them to enlightenment, and they want everyone else to experience that enlightenment too. Or it could be about money: the more paying congregants the more income the church (or "The Church") gets, and any new recruits means more money. Kind of a cynical view on religion but I've always felt that if someone wants to have a certain belief they shouldn't have to pay to participate.
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deCypher said: Cuz... he's Jesus, man. He can do ANYTHING. 
Can he turn himself into a person who can't do anything? 
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OrgoneConclusion said: It was a gaint rabbit. Can't you read? 
That rabbit was gaint as fuck, can't you see?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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From that same Wiki article:
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Classicist Michael Grant wrote in 1977 that standard historical criteria prevent the rejection of an historical Jesus:
…if we apply to the New Testament, as we should, the same sort of criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus’ existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned… To sum up, modern critical methods fail to support the Christ myth theory. It has "again and again been answered and annihilated by first rank scholars." In recent years, "no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non historicity of Jesus" or at any rate very few, and they have not succeeded in disposing of the much stronger, indeed very abundant, evidence to the contrary.
I personally believe Jesus existed, although I do not think he performed miracles or was the Son of God.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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irie.one said: That's all religion is anyway in my opinion, a source of answers for those who refuse to acknowledge why we exist or other scientific realities like evolution. For those who follow it, religion gives life a purpose. I'm entirely confident that my life has a purpose without any ties to religion, and I know many others who feel the same.
Are you saying that you've created your own subjective purpose, or that you think your life has some objective purpose?
I've created my own subjective purpose. I don't know what our purpose here is except to explore all of life's possibilities and preserve nature to ensure that future generations have the same opportunities we do.
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And he was gay as hell.
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Keeping close quarters with twelve disciples and all of them men? You betcha.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: irie.one]
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irie.one said: Maybe this is something we as psychedelic users can relate to... After my first mushroom trip I came to and thought that everyone should experience that kind of enlightenment that I did. I almost had pity on the people around me who are confined to their thoughts that I was just released from.
It's not something I can relate to, because I never believed that what can work for me will necessarily work for others; mushroom trips may have been fine experiences for you, but they could be devastatingly harrowing for others. Similarly, Christianity can help some, and it is useless for others.
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irie.one said: That said, I didn't get all preachy, I just internalized my feelings for the next time I was to trip. But perhaps it's the religious folks who find that following Jesus's teachings leads them to enlightenment, and they want everyone else to experience that enlightenment too.
I think that could very well be true, and it only goes to show you how stupid, naive, and childish Christians generally are.
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irie.one said: Or it could be about money: the more paying congregants the more income the church (or "The Church") gets, and any new recruits means more money. Kind of a cynical view on religion but I've always felt that if someone wants to have a certain belief they shouldn't have to pay to participate.
Yup, it's definitely that, too; I think the people doing the recruiting though don't benefit financially from doing so, I think they genuinely believe that it's their mission in life to "save" others, and don't mind doing it for free.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: deCypher] 1
#14092423 - 03/09/11 12:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Keeping close quarters with twelve disciples and all of them men? You betcha. 
Da Vinci was forced by The Church to burn his painting 'The Last Orgy'. Don't get me started on the phrase "Eat of my body."
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: deCypher]
#14092436 - 03/09/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: I personally believe Jesus existed, although I do not think he performed miracles or was the Son of God.
I think he may have existed, and that it's highly likely that he didn't; I think the Biblical Jesus is a bunch of horse shit.
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deCypher said: Keeping close quarters with twelve disciples and all of them men? You betcha. 
...and telling them to swallow the body of Christ.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: it's highly likely that he didn't
What do you think about the quote by Michael Grant I posted above?
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Does this tie into the grant rabbit?
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Well it basically says that, if we apply the same standards to the Bible as we do other ancient works when analyzing their historical accuracy, then Jesus's existence is no more unlikely than the existence any other event/person that is generally accepted to have occurred/existed.
I don't think Grant takes into account the similarities early Christianity shares with then-contemporary religion and mythology, or the fact that the evidence for the existence of Jesus all comes from after his lifetime (which I'm not sure is common amongst generally accepted theories of historical events/people); some scholars believe the gospel accounts are so mythical in nature that nothing, not even the very existence of Jesus, can be determined from them. I pretty much agree.
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#14092576 - 03/09/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asking if Jesus (a common name) existed is like asking if Jose exists in Tijuana...
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OrgoneConclusion said: Asking if Jesus (a common name) existed is like asking if Jose exists in Tijuana...
Does he?
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Yeah - and his wife's name is Maria. Weird, huh?
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Is she still a virgin?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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irie.one said: Maybe this is something we as psychedelic users can relate to... After my first mushroom trip I came to and thought that everyone should experience that kind of enlightenment that I did. I almost had pity on the people around me who are confined to their thoughts that I was just released from.
It's not something I can relate to, because I never believed that what can work for me will necessarily work for others; mushroom trips may have been fine experiences for you, but they could be devastatingly harrowing for others. Similarly, Christianity can help some, and it is useless for others.
That's pretty much how I view religion too; it works for some, it's terrible for others. It's just too bad that some people don't really get the choice because they're forced into it at a young age and don't know any different when they're older.
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irie.one said: That said, I didn't get all preachy, I just internalized my feelings for the next time I was to trip. But perhaps it's the religious folks who find that following Jesus's teachings leads them to enlightenment, and they want everyone else to experience that enlightenment too.
I think that could be very well be true, and it only goes to show you how stupid, naive, and childish Christians generally are.
As close-minded as it is to have this viewpoint, I also agree with you there. An ultra-religious Christian is someone I can't have a true connection with, we're at total opposite ends of the spectrum. I think the best way I would summarize Christianity is ignorance. I like exploring things for myself and when I see evidence of something or detailed research proving something exists, I "believe" in it. Gravity, I can see happening. Nature, I can see growing and changing. Evolution, I understand how and why it happens and it's the only logical explanation for how animals are constantly changing by the generation. I believe that it is incredibly ignorant to accept the words of an ancient book as truth without exceptions. There are so many contradictions in the Bible that if someone were to follow it to the T they would lead a life of confusion, but blissfully ignorant at the same time. I guess I just have a different way of viewing our purpose in life and it's something more than just listening to someone preach about following the Good Book with the hope of "going to heaven." Many Christians are very good people and in that sense religion gives a slight advantage to society, but there are also the Christians who would have no trouble killing someone in cold-blood only to repent later that evening; just another flaw in the system. Don't even get me started on the corruption that has occurred in religious institutions starting with their origin all the way to present day.
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irie.one said: Or it could be about money: the more paying congregants the more income the church (or "The Church") gets, and any new recruits means more money. Kind of a cynical view on religion but I've always felt that if someone wants to have a certain belief they shouldn't have to pay to participate.
Yup, it's definitely that, too; I think the people doing the recruiting though don't benefit financially from doing so, I think they genuinely believe that it's their mission in life to "save" others, and don't mind doing it for free.
The LDS Church (Mormons) are the worst with this in my opinion. In Utah, they own a lot of property, food factories, etc. It's an industry for them. There is a required 10% donation to the Church, not to mention the belief that they should produce as many offspring as possible in a lifetime, which means more Mormons to grow up and give their 10% and make more babies... It's a deep cycle, and with their recruitment methods (a required mission for two years for males, one for females if I'm remembering correctly), often in foreign countries where they find people down on their luck and explain how much they could benefit by being a member of the LDS faith. Even poor people give up their 10%. It's a business, not a religion. Not to mention the influence they have on the laws in Utah and neighboring states, where liquor stores and car lots are closed on Sundays, 3.2% ABV beer except at liquor stores, on and on. At least they don't legally allow polygamy any longer, but there are definitely polygamist sects in rural areas of Utah and Colorado, probably elsewhere too. Again, it's a very cynical viewpoint, but it smacks me in the face every time I visit family in Utah, what a horrible place.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: irie.one]
#14093119 - 03/09/11 03:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Mormons own Pepsi-Cola, but its member are not allowed to drink caffeinated beverages.
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irie.one said: Maybe this is something we as psychedelic users can relate to... After my first mushroom trip I came to and thought that everyone should experience that kind of enlightenment that I did. I almost had pity on the people around me who are confined to their thoughts that I was just released from.
It's not something I can relate to, because I never believed that what can work for me will necessarily work for others; mushroom trips may have been fine experiences for you, but they could be devastatingly harrowing for others. Similarly, Christianity can help some, and it is useless for others.
That's pretty much how I view religion too; it works for some, it's terrible for others. It's just too bad that some people don't really get the choice because they're forced into it at a young age and don't know any different when they're older.
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irie.one said: That said, I didn't get all preachy, I just internalized my feelings for the next time I was to trip. But perhaps it's the religious folks who find that following Jesus's teachings leads them to enlightenment, and they want everyone else to experience that enlightenment too.
I think that could be very well be true, and it only goes to show you how stupid, naive, and childish Christians generally are.
As close-minded as it is to have this viewpoint, I also agree with you there. An ultra-religious Christian is someone I can't have a true connection with, we're at total opposite ends of the spectrum.
I can totally relate; it's strange how they often target people who they obviously cannot relate to. Religion is like a psychological parasite on humanity, it indiscriminately targets all kinds people so that its influence may grow.
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irie.one said: I think the best way I would summarize Christianity is ignorance. I like exploring things for myself and when I see evidence of something or detailed research proving something exists, I "believe" in it. Gravity, I can see happening. Nature, I can see growing and changing. Evolution, I understand how and why it happens and it's the only logical explanation for how animals are constantly changing by the generation. I believe that it is incredibly ignorant to accept the words of an ancient book as truth without exceptions. There are so many contradictions in the Bible that if someone were to follow it to the T they would lead a life of confusion, but blissfully ignorant at the same time. I guess I just have a different way of viewing our purpose in life and it's something more than just listening to someone preach about following the Good Book with the hope of "going to heaven." Many Christians are very good people and in that sense religion gives a slight advantage to society, but there are also the Christians who would have no trouble killing someone in cold-blood only to repent later that evening; just another flaw in the system. Don't even get me started on the corruption that has occurred in religious institutions starting with their origin all the way to present day.
Summed up a lot of feelings/thoughts I've had, good job. 
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irie.one said: The LDS Church (Mormons) are the worst with this in my opinion. In Utah, they own a lot of property, food factories, etc. It's an industry for them. There is a required 10% donation to the Church, not to mention the belief that they should produce as many offspring as possible in a lifetime, which means more Mormons to grow up and give their 10% and make more babies... It's a deep cycle, and with their recruitment methods (a required mission for two years for males, one for females if I'm remembering correctly), often in foreign countries where they find people down on their luck and explain how much they could benefit by being a member of the LDS faith. Even poor people give up their 10%. It's a business, not a religion.
I think Mormons are some of the most disrespectful people on the planet, and they hide it really well with their apparently well-meaning demeanor--there's nothing more intrusive than going around the neighborhood and knocking on people's doors in order to talk about their most sensitive beliefs with the wish that they will be converted. It is a business, they operate like businessmen and appear to regard non-Mormons as customers; "Ah, this guy's not gonna budge, onto the next one!". Like most (if not all) religious people, they have an "us VS them" mentality, and they generally do not appear to regard other people with different beliefs as highly as they do people of their faith.
It's horrible that people can get away with doing this kind of shit, religion should be fucking illegal IMO.
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irie.one said: Not to mention the influence they have on the laws in Utah and neighboring states, where liquor stores and car lots are closed on Sundays, 3.2% ABV beer except at liquor stores, on and on. At least they don't legally allow polygamy any longer, but there are definitely polygamist sects in rural areas of Utah and Colorado, probably elsewhere too. Again, it's a very cynical viewpoint, but it smacks me in the face every time I visit family in Utah, what a horrible place.
I don't see anything at all wrong with polygamy; that sucks that you have family in Utah. 
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OrgoneConclusion said: The Mormons own Pepsi-Cola, but its member are not allowed to drink caffeinated beverages. 
Wow, I didn't know that they owned Pepsi-Cola (I knew they weren't allowed to drink caffeinated beverages, though), God what fucking retards.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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i think, and i think that someone said this before me, that christianity and its ideas in essence are PERFECTLY FINE. the problem arose when it turned into a real estate company and people started to take things too literally.
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godisanastronaut said: i think, and i think that someone said this before me, that christianity and its ideas in essence are PERFECTLY FINE.
Not all of them.
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I'm sure it would never have thrived if people didn't initially take things too literally.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: deCypher]
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Sprinter24 said: Wilson's gaint rabbit, maybe.
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Poid said: To what?
All of life's problems. 
Basically both Wilson and Dick had odd experiences in the early seventies, they might have both been in 74', that basically led them to believe that a higher entity was "beaming them" information. Both individuals wrote about their experiences, Dick in his Valis trilogy as well as his personal Exegesis and Wilson in his Cosmic Trigger trilogy.
Here's a quote from Wilson talking about the parallels.
"In fact, VALIS is only slightly fictionalized; the actual events on which it is based are recounted in a long interview Phil gave shortly before his death -- The parallels with my own experience are numerous -- but so are the differences. If the same source was beaming ideas to both Phil and me, the messages got our individual flavors mixed into them as we decoded the signals."
Here's a Quote from Wilson talking about his Rabbit, A.K.A a Pooka. Note that Wilson was considered a comedian and, as a way of making people not take all this %100 literally, put it into rather silly metaphors.
"The pookah takes many forms, but is most famous when he appears as a giant, six-foot white rabbit - which is the form most Americans know from the play and film, Harvey. Whatever form the pookah takes, he retains the special ability of his species, which is like that of Thoth in Egyptian legend, Coyote in Native American myth or Hanuman the Divine Monkey in Hindu lore -- he can move us from one universe, or Belief System, into another, and he likes to play games with our ideas about 'reality.'-from R.A. Wilson's "Cosmic Trigger Volume 2
However, it would seem like the Pooka and Dick's take on Jesus have a similar purpose.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Sprinter24]
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Interesting... I had heard about Dick's experiences but not the excerpt about Wilson's Rabbit. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: deCypher]
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VALIS is awesome, and yeah, you can tell he's pulling quite a bit from personal experience
as for Jesus...coming soon to hearts and minds near you!
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: g00ru]
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My family is heavily southern Baptist. When they say "Jesus is the answer" they mean the answer to life. They think we're supposed to follow him into heaven.
I call bullshit. I'm already in the Garden of Eden, conscious, happy, living life. I don't need to follow some shepherd like a blind sheep to heaven. I'm already in heaven.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Joolz]
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Joolz said: My family is heavily southern Baptist. When they say "Jesus is the answer" they mean the answer to life.
What the fuck does "answer to life" mean? Is life a question, or a problem for them or something? 
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And just what is that supposed to mean? How does one go about following a dead, and very-likely fictional character into a very-likely fictional dimension?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Joolz said: My family is heavily southern Baptist. When they say "Jesus is the answer" they mean the answer to life.
What the fuck does "answer to life" mean? Is life a question, or a problem for them or something? 
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Joolz said: They think we're supposed to follow him into heaven.
And just what is that supposed to mean? How does one go about following a dead, and very-likely fictional character into a very-likely fictional dimension?
Don't ask me dude, I don't have the answers for you. All I know is that my family is so engraved into believing the bible that listening to any amount of logic is not going to happen. They went on and on about religion, and I fought back tooth and nail, and on most points they would just go "well the bible says" WELL THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY HUMANS, NOT GOD.
The idea of the western Christian God is so fucking far-fetched. An all powerful, all knowing, heavenly being watching over the human race and writing it all down in his journal? Complete and total bullshit.
If I was all powerful, I wouldn't watch our pitiful race. Clearly my family is completely blind to all the crap that is going on. They're so far lost there is no saving them (my opinion of lost and saving, that is). And as long as people like my family exist religion will always exist. You'd have to kill every Christian before Christianity will stop existing, they're that fucking stubborn.
They only listen to their preacher and the bible. No doubt they are just as blind as the rest of us, but I think you and I have a little more eyesight since we look for ourselves (mostly, and also drawing upon other people's ideas and opinions that I agree with as well).
They think they have it all right, but they don't. Fuck their God. My take on the Adam/Eve thing is that He made the Garden of Eden, then gave us free will in the form of Eve eating the fruit so that we could enjoy our life here in this universe, now, in the Garden of Eden. But they pray to him as if that's not enough. They pray to him as if the human race is good enough to go into this magical place to be with the all powerful God.
Two things, first, what kind of fucking ego problems do you have to have to think that you, with your little brain, wars, greed, and all the problems us humans face in our little window of reality here is good enough to be in a place of perfection with the almighty creator? Second, heaven sounds super boring. Everything's perfect? Streets of gold? Fuck that man.
We're in heaven. Good exists because bad does. When I'm happy, and euphoric, its even better because of the other emotions I feel, like sadness or pain. Living in a place of perfection would be boring, and I'd ask to be relocated to Hell immediately.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Joolz]
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To be the never ending cycle of praying, repenting, and giving alms to the church. Sounds like a sweet deal if you ask me
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Joolz]
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Joolz said: My family is heavily southern Baptist. When they say "Jesus is the answer" they mean the answer to life.
What the fuck does "answer to life" mean? Is life a question, or a problem for them or something? 
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Joolz said: They think we're supposed to follow him into heaven.
And just what is that supposed to mean? How does one go about following a dead, and very-likely fictional character into a very-likely fictional dimension?
Don't ask me dude, I don't have the answers for you. All I know is that my family is so engraved into believing the bible that listening to any amount of logic is not going to happen. They went on and on about religion, and I fought back tooth and nail, and on most points they would just go "well the bible says" WELL THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY HUMANS, NOT GOD.
Yeah, some of my family is the same way (except they're Catholic); every time I try to question or deny their bullshit, they say "You're just doubting, the devil is making you do that." or some other such nonsense.
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Joolz said: The idea of the western Christian God is so fucking far-fetched. An all powerful, all knowing, heavenly being watching over the human race and writing it all down in his journal? Complete and total bullshit.
If I was all powerful, I wouldn't watch our pitiful race. Clearly my family is completely blind to all the crap that is going on. They're so far lost there is no saving them (my opinion of lost and saving, that is). And as long as people like my family exist religion will always exist. You'd have to kill every Christian before Christianity will stop existing, they're that fucking stubborn.
You just gave me a new idea for my life purpose! 
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Joolz said: They only listen to their preacher and the bible. No doubt they are just as blind as the rest of us, but I think you and I have a little more eyesight since we look for ourselves (mostly, and also drawing upon other people's ideas and opinions that I agree with as well).
As far as I'm aware, preachers/priests are actually somewhat educated; I think it's incredible that educated people follow religions, I don't see how this can happen.
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Joolz said: They think they have it all right, but they don't. Fuck their God. My take on the Adam/Eve thing is that He made the Garden of Eden, then gave us free will in the form of Eve eating the fruit so that we could enjoy our life here in this universe, now, in the Garden of Eden. But they pray to him as if that's not enough. They pray to him as if the human race is good enough to go into this magical place to be with the all powerful God.
My take on the Garden of Eden is that it's just a bullshit fairy-tale that never actually happened IRL. 
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Joolz said: Two things, first, what kind of fucking ego problems do you have to have to think that you, with your little brain, wars, greed, and all the problems us humans face in our little window of reality here is good enough to be in a place of perfection with the almighty creator?
Delusions of cosmic significance, feeling like they are significant enough to be in that place prevents them from feeling like a worthless animal that shits. And farts.
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How are you defining perfection?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Jesus is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything: "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"
I always thought there was something fundamentally wrong with the Universe.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: NetDiver]
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Samurai Drifter said: Jesus is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything: "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"
I don't get why you added that question, or what it was to do with Jesus and the "Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything"...
What is the "Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything"?
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Samurai Drifter said: I always thought there was something fundamentally wrong with the Universe.
Why? What do you mean by "fundamentally wrong"?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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It's a reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
A race of aliens builds a computer to determine what the answer to the "question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" is. The answer comes back, 7 billion years later, as "42." The aliens realize that they never specified exactly what the question was. Later, it turns out that it was "What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?" 6x9 is not 42, so the author comments "I always felt there was something fundamentally wrong with the Universe."
Jesus is supposedly the answer to the question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. But, as in the story, the answer is nonsense.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: NetDiver]
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Samurai Drifter said: It's a reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
A race of aliens builds a computer to determine what the answer to the "question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" is. The answer comes back, 7 billion years later, as "42." The aliens realize that they never specified exactly what the question was. Later, it turns out that it was "What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?" 6x9 is not 42, so the author comments "I always felt there was something fundamentally wrong with the Universe."
Haha, that's pretty funny. 
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Samurai Drifter said: Jesus is supposedly the answer to the question of Life, the Universe, and Everything. But, as in the story, the answer is nonsense. 
I think that the mere suggestion that there is an answer to life is nonsensical, as life is neither a question, a statement that can be answered, or necessarily a problem.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Perfection to me is this universe, this life, being conscious and having the ability to make decisions (I believe in free will, not that we're on a path we can't step off of). Yeah, it sucks being upset in any way, but a wise old man once told me to accept my feelings and move on. To live in the hatred, or sadness, and to also live in the happiness and joy. To live in passion, live in anger, live in loss, and live in victory.
Edit: Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy is a great movie.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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I think for people who believe in Jesus, best case scenario, he provides comfort and strength (God/Jesus helps those who help themselves). Think of it as the ultimate placebo.
Placebo is an amazing thing, though it may be refered to as 'just' a placebo. But placebos have proven to increase a person's chances of being well. Harnessing the power of the Christ archetype in the personal form of Jesus can be a valid strategy in accessing whatever is involved in the placebo process.
Give it a try!
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Rahz]
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They don't say "Jesus is the placebo.", though, they say "Jesus is the answer.".
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: They don't say "Jesus is the placebo.", though, they say "Jesus is the answer.".
Yeah. I'm all for putting on the horseblinders at the right times, but they're just going around recruiting those who will follow and damning those who will not, or at least talking about them as if they (Christians) are better than the others.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Well, it would make sense that masking the placebo would make it more effective... although some studies suggest that a placebo can be effective even when the participants know they are taking placebos.
There's really no reason to put it off, he's waiting for you with open arms. You know you want to hug Jesus.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Rahz]
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Poid said: They don't say "Jesus is the placebo.", though, they say "Jesus is the answer.".
Yeah. I'm all for putting on the horseblinders at the right times, but they're just going around recruiting those who will follow and damning those who will not, or at least talking about them as if they (Christians) are better than the others.
Christians are better than others! Except for Mormons, those guys are just too damn good...
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Rahz said: Well, it would make sense that masking the placebo would make it more effective... although some studies suggest that a placebo can be effective even when the participants know they are taking placebos.
There can be no "answer" to life, only questions, problems, and statements can have corresponding answers. I might as well say that there's an answer to a leaf. 
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Rahz said: There's really no reason to put it off, he's waiting for you with open arms. You know you want to hug Jesus.

Maybe if I was rolling or something...
...and even then I'd be like "Jesus, no homo.".
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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irie.one said: There's really no reason to put it off, he's waiting for you with open arms. You know you want to hug Jesus.

Maybe if I was rolling or something...
...and even then I'd be like "Jesus, no homo.".
Do it one more time Poid, see what happens. I might have to take that bowl back that I dedicated to you earlier. Not un-smoking it for you though .
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: irie.one]
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I think the 'c' on my keyboard is getting stuck or something sometimes when I press 'Ctrl-c' to copy people's usernames, so I just paste the username of the last person I replied to, and I don't double check it (both because I assume it's correct and because I'm a lazy Mexican).
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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/brolazyfist
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Joolz]
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Who cares what he's suggesting, I'm talking about the Jesus in Bible, not some random science-fiction writer's New Age-esque interpretation of what Jesus is.
OH NO you did-n't just take our lord Phillip K Dicks name in vain!
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I seriously doubt that's what people mean when they preach "Jesus is the answer."
*They mean abandon your family and loved ones to embark on a pilgrimage of faith, tell them you are going out for a pack of smokes.
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deCypher said: I personally believe Jesus existed, although I do not think he performed miracles or was the Son of God.
I think he may have existed, and that it's highly likely that he didn't; I think the Biblical Jesus is a bunch of horse shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "accounts" of Jesus weren't even referring to the same man.
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In reference to your signature, no, that customer can wait while I finish my shroomery post.
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Who cares what he's suggesting, I'm talking about the Jesus in Bible, not some random science-fiction writer's New Age-esque interpretation of what Jesus is.
OH NO you did-n't just take our lord Phillip K Dicks name in vain! 
Whatchu gonna do 'bout it, nigga?
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I seriously doubt that's what people mean when they preach "Jesus is the answer."
*They mean abandon your family and loved ones to embark on a pilgrimage of faith, tell them you are going out for a pack of smokes.
  
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deCypher said: I personally believe Jesus existed, although I do not think he performed miracles or was the Son of God.
I think he may have existed, and that it's highly likely that he didn't; I think the Biblical Jesus is a bunch of horse shit.
I wouldn't be surprised if the "accounts" of Jesus weren't even referring to the same man.
It's possible, but what I'm saying is that the picture of Jesus that is painted in the Bible (performing miracles, being born out of a tight virgin pussy, etc.) is a bunch of horse shit.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Whatchu goan do 'bout it, nigga?
(Phonetic spelling alteration my own) 
Not much.
Very likely nothing.
Making a cheap joke about it was satisfactory enough, thanks!
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Whatchu goan do 'bout it, nigga?
(Phonetic spelling alteration my own) 
No need to show off your expertise in the area of ebonics. 

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Blondell_Letrange said: Not much.
Very likely nothing.
Making a cheap joke about it was satisfactory enough, thanks!

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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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No need to show off your expertise in the area of ebonics.
Why not?
I am a white middle class female that lives in New Zealand. I am impressed that a slight alteration of spelling conveyed so much to you.
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No need to show off your expertise in the area of ebonics.
Why not?
I am a white middle class female that lives in New Zealand.
What? That's awesome, I bet you have a cool accent. 
I was playing my Xbox online yesterday, and this guy from New Zealand was talking about how it must suck to be an American today because we have a nigger (yes, he said nigger) for president. He also told me this joke: There's a nigger and a spic (yes, he said spic) in a car; who's driving? The cop of course.  Are all you people (yes, I said "you people") this racist, or was it just this one guy? 
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Yeah, I'm quite the impressive mother-fucker.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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No need to show off your expertise in the area of ebonics.
Why not?
I am a white middle class female that lives in New Zealand.
What? That's awesome, I bet you have a cool accent. 
I was playing my Xbox online yesterday, and this guy from New Zealand was talking about how it must suck to be an American today because we have a nigger (yes, he said nigger) for president. He also told me this joke: There's a nigger and a spic (yes, he said spic) in a car; who's driving? The cop of course.  Are all you people (yes, I said "you people") this racist, or was it just this one guy? 
You think he was trolling much?
Of course there are racist people here, I said New Zealand, not Utopia.
I am unfamiliar with the term spic BTW. 
But noticing the sounds of accents, and particularly characteristics that blur boundaries with affectation is a far cry from racism. There was no value attached, it merely created stronger imagery for the scene (not to mention it amused me for approximately a minute.) It is not an unheard of tactic for writers, for example Irvine Welsh uses phonetic spelling in his work to depict certain Scottish accents. 
Here is an example of me saying "fish and chips"
With my accent :"fush un chups"
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No need to show off your expertise in the area of ebonics.
Why not?
I am a white middle class female that lives in New Zealand.
What? That's awesome, I bet you have a cool accent. 
I was playing my Xbox online yesterday, and this guy from New Zealand was talking about how it must suck to be an American today because we have a nigger (yes, he said nigger) for president. He also told me this joke: There's a nigger and a spic (yes, he said spic) in a car; who's driving? The cop of course.  Are all you people (yes, I said "you people") this racist, or was it just this one guy? 
You think he was trolling much? 
Nah, he sounded like he genuinely hates black people; I am a troll God, so I can easily recognize my own kind. 
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It's a racial slur for Hispanic people; I think it was hilarious because I was pretending to go along with his racist bullshit, and he never even knew that I am Mexican. I think he thought I was a racist white dude like him the whole time. 
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Oh, I wasn't at all accusing you of being racist, your recognition of black-speak (AKA: Ebonics) and the fact that you're from NZ just reminded me of that online asshat. 
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With my accent :"fush un chups"

Hehehe. 
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Re: "Frida Kahlo is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Oh, I wasn't at all accusing you of being racist, your recognition of black-speak (AKA: Ebonics) and the fact that you're from NZ just reminded me of that online asshat.
Haha, true, true. I just have a minor problem with "talking back" and over justifying every god damned thing I say. It drives my partner up the wall. Sometimes I see it as a game, and I keep track of how much bullshit I can come up with on any given topic. This really could go on for some time...
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It's a racial slur for Hispanic people; I think it was hilarious because I was pretending to go along with his racist bullshit, and he never even knew that I am Mexican. I think he thought I was a racist white dude like him the whole time.
All joking aside, I think that was pretty lame on his part. Being Hispanic should be seen as an attribute. As for being Mexican...Four words:
I love Frida Kahlo.
Although interestingly enough, racial tensions were underlying factors in some of her most moving pieces of art.
AARRRGGGHHH I am doing it again. NEED TO SLEEP. I am starting to forget what thread I am even in. 
Something something Jesus...
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Hopefully this clears things up for you.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Poid said: To what? 

I'm impressed at how many Jesus threads end up in a philosophy forum. It seems to be that it's ingrained into the psyche of most of westerners. That's really a sad thing imo. It demonstrates how hard it is to change basic programs and move on into a more productive way of experiencing life. It's pretty sick imo.
 
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: blewmeanie]
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Oh, I wasn't at all accusing you of being racist, your recognition of black-speak (AKA: Ebonics) and the fact that you're from NZ just reminded me of that online asshat.
Haha, true, true. I just have a minor problem with "talking back" and over justifying every god damned thing I say. It drives my partner up the wall. Sometimes I see it as a game, and I keep track of how much bullshit I can come up with on any given topic. This really could go on for some time...
We all have our funny little quirks, don't we?
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It's a racial slur for Hispanic people; I think it was hilarious because I was pretending to go along with his racist bullshit, and he never even knew that I am Mexican. I think he thought I was a racist white dude like him the whole time.
All joking aside, I think that was pretty lame on his part. Being Hispanic should be seen as an attribute. As for being Mexican...Four words:
I love Frida Kahlo.
Although interestingly enough, racial tensions were underlying factors in some of her most moving pieces of art.
Yeah I saw the movie, she was a pretty cool, and definitely unique Mexican. Probably the first openly-carpet munching one. 
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
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I'm impressed at how many Jesus threads end up in a philosophy forum. It seems to be that it's ingrained into the psyche of most of westerners. That's really a sad thing imo. It demonstrates how hard it is to change basic programs and move on into a more productive way of experiencing life. It's pretty sick imo.
Amen, brother!
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Dig this, sir:
If you really consider it... That Jesus was a mushroom. Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten. And... That he is that substance in the wilderness. Jesus is the answer to the human condition. Or... The psychedelic experience or religious/spiritual experience.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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FishOilTheKid said: If you really consider it... That Jesus was a mushroom.
Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?
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FishOilTheKid said: Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten.
I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.
Oh wait, is this Jesus?

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FishOilTheKid said: And... That he is that substance in the wilderness.
Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?
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FishOilTheKid said: Jesus is the answer to the human condition.
And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?
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FishOilTheKid said: Or... The psychedelic experience or religious/spiritual experience.

You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?
Is this you by any chance?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?
I think you have to to put the myth in perspective. Its 2011... Its moved at least passed 'ridiculous bullshit' hasn't it... Its simple really, that's why. And logical. And a respected theory.
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I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.

...Anthropomorphism...
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Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?
That substance that the lord hath commanded so says moses... The round thing... For the sabbath...?? Exodus 16
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And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?
All it is is a recognition that the psychedelic experience can produce lasting desirable effects on consciousness. You can call them spiritual or religious. The experience can be freeing and saving. An answer to suffering.
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You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?
Is this you by any chance?
I think the psychedelic experience has been and can be an answer for some.
A natural food substance that produces expanded states of awareness can be considered an answer.
Illumination should have been our path of evolution.
In the context of Christianity what is important is the return of Jesus. That is their answer. But they have been confused deliberately.
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Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?
I think you have to to put the myth in perspective.
Why?
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FishOilTheKid said: Its 2011... Its moved at least passed 'ridiculous bullshit' hasn't it...
WTF are you talking about?
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FishOilTheKid said: Its simple really, that's why. And logical. And a respected theory.
Nothing you said is logical, and I seriously doubt that it's respected by anybody who isn't a complete moron.
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I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.

...Anthropomorphism...
WTF? What is the point of you anthropomorphising mushrooms? In what way is an anthropomorphised mushroom at all relevant to the thread topic? I am talking about the Jesus in the Bible, not your whacky drug-induced unimaginative symbolic interpretation of what Jesus is.
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Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?
That substance that the lord hath commanded so says moses... The round thing... For the sabbath...?? Exodus 16
The round thing? Can you be any less vague?
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And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?
All it is is a recognition that the psychedelic experience can produce lasting desirable effects on consciousness.
Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really think Christian preachers have the psychedelic experience in mind when they tell others "Jesus is the answer."?
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FishOilTheKid said: You can call them spiritual or religious. The experience can be freeing and saving. An answer to suffering.
Finally, somebody mentioned it! I think the fact that they tell other people that their way of life is the cure for everybody's suffering denotes just how selfish, deluded, and idiotic these fucksticks truly are. I am completely baffled at the pretentiousness of these people, it is un-fucking-believable.
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You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?
Is this you by any chance?
I think the psychedelic experience has been and can be an answer for some.
Do you also think that Christians equate Jesus with mushrooms and the psychedelic experience? 'Cuz that would be purty stoopid. 
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FishOilTheKid said: Illumination should have been our path of evolution.
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Please, be clear and don't try to obfuscate shit and/or dodge this simple, direct question.
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FishOilTheKid said: But they have been confused deliberately.
By whom, Satan?
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Why?
Cause its about mushroom use. Or at least plant based shamanism.
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WTF are you talking about?
Dude... It is a respected and accepted theory. ...by now.
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Nothing you said is logical, and I seriously doubt that it's respected by anybody who isn't a complete moron.
It is logical. And it is respected. You are wrong.
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I am talking about the Jesus in the Bible, not your whacky drug-induced unimaginative symbolic interpretation of what Jesus is.
You are jumpy. You asked what jesus is the answer to. I said jesus is a mushroom, mushroom is psychedelic experience, psychedelic experience is jesus, psychedelic experience is an answer, jesus is an answer... I'm saying Jesus in the bible is mushrooms and that's how it makes sense logically. With the experience considered that they produce.
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The round thing? Can you be any less vague?
Its an important part of the narrative. An important question.
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Do you really think Christian preachers have the psychedelic experience in mind when they tell others "Jesus is the answer."?
No. They also didn't come up with the rituals and teachings.
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...it is un-fucking-believable.
I agree. But, from what we have just outlined... They don't tell people Jesus is the answer because Jesus is not Jesus!
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Do you also think that Christians equate Jesus with mushrooms and the psychedelics experience? 'Cuz that would be purty stoopid.
Its actually the more intelligent esoteric Christians that do. Those that are in the know. And, it is Truth. Not stoopid. Real.
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What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Please, be clear and don't try to obfuscate shit and/or dodge this simple, direct question.
Instead of hiding the psychedelic (illumination) experience from us we should have been allowed. (evolved)
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By those representing Jesus.
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Why in the fuck would I consider such ridiculous bullshit as that?
I think you have to to put the myth in perspective. Its 2011... Its moved at least passed 'ridiculous bullshit' hasn't it... Its simple really, that's why. And logical. And a respected theory.
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I've never seen a mushroom that can speak.

...Anthropomorphism...
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Which substance? Psychedelic mushrooms?
That substance that the lord hath commanded so says moses... The round thing... For the sabbath...?? Exodus 16
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And that means what, exactly? Do you even know what an answer is?
All it is is a recognition that the psychedelic experience can produce lasting desirable effects on consciousness. You can call them spiritual or religious. The experience can be freeing and saving. An answer to suffering.
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You think the psychedelic experience and the "answer to the human condition" are one and the same?
Is this you by any chance?
I think the psychedelic experience has been and can be an answer for some.
A natural food substance that produces expanded states of awareness can be considered an answer.
Illumination should have been our path of evolution.
In the context of Christianity what is important is the return of Jesus. That is their answer. But they have been confused deliberately.
dude... It is a respected and accepted theory. ...by now.
What a crock of shit. It's only respected by the uneducated, superstitious and ignorant. There is not a shred of decent evidence behind any of it.
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If you really consider it... That Jesus was a mushroom. Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten. And... That he is that substance in the wilderness. Jesus is the answer to the human condition. Or... The psychedelic experience or religious/spiritual experience.

Psychedelics are fun, and they do give you a new perspective on life.
But do they provide an "answer to the human condition"? Hell no. I've tripped dozens of times and if anything I'm more confused.
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There is not a shred of decent evidence behind any of it.
This is not true. There is allot of material that is very credible. And, its backed up by experimentation.
Why is it not decent??
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But do they provide an "answer to the human condition"? Hell no. I've tripped dozens of times and if anything I'm more confused.
I agree.
But concerning the mythology and the context... In a more romanticized way... They do.
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There is not a shred of decent evidence behind any of it.
This is not true. There is allot of material that is very credible. And, its backed up by experimentation.
Why is it not decent??
No there is not a lot of material that is very credible that I have ever seen. (show me) And its not backed up by reliable credible scientific experimentation. And that's why it's not decent.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
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Theories proposed by John Allegro and work that was conducted at Harvard University, to me, is decent enough.
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That's a start at least worth considering...
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FishOilTheKid said: Theories proposed by John Allegro and work that was conducted at Harvard University, to me, is decent enough.
Link me to the studies conducted. And it being decent to you means squat.
If you really consider it... That Jesus was a mushroom. Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten. And... That he is that substance in the wilderness. Jesus is the answer to the human condition.
This is all just wild subjective speculation and there is no physical evidence for it. Link me.
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Why?
Cause its about mushroom use. Or at least plant based shamanism.
That's your interpretation of it; certainly isn't mine, or probably anybody else's who follows Christianity.
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WTF are you talking about?
Dude... It is a respected and accepted theory. ...by now.
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Nothing you said is logical, and I seriously doubt that it's respected by anybody who isn't a complete moron.
It is logical. And it is respected. You are wrong.
Prove that it's logical and respected, or STFU. Do you even know what logic is? Do you really think bare assertions are logical? 
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I am talking about the Jesus in the Bible, not your whacky drug-induced unimaginative symbolic interpretation of what Jesus is.
You are jumpy. You asked what jesus is the answer to.
I meant to ask what the statement "Jesus is the answer." is supposed to mean, sorry I was unclear in the OP.
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TimmiT said: I said jesus is a mushroom, mushroom is psychedelic experience, psychedelic experience is jesus, psychedelic experience is an answer, jesus is an answer...
I'm not surprised in the least that you find these bare assertions to be logical; none of what you said there is correct, or even slightly supported by evidence.
You do know that this is a debate forum, and that you're expected to defend your claims with evidence when asked to, don't you?
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TimmiT said: I'm saying Jesus in the bible is mushrooms and that's how it makes sense logically.
That's how what makes sense logically? This:
...jesus is a mushroom, mushroom is psychedelic experience, psychedelic experience is jesus, psychedelic experience is an answer, jesus is an answer..
Do you really think your bare assertion that Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms shows that this complete and utter nonsense in bold is logical? Really?
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TimmiT said: With the experience considered that they produce.
Can you please start making sense, and not write idiotic incomplete sentences like this one?
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The round thing? Can you be any less vague?
Its an important part of the narrative. An important question.
Then it's important that you provide the specific passage where it is mentioned, like, you know, actually copy-paste it here.
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Do you really think Christian preachers have the psychedelic experience in mind when they tell others "Jesus is the answer."?
No.
Then why the hell are you even mentioning psychedelics? I wasn't clear in the OP, but I am interested in knowing what Christians mean when they say "Jesus is the answer.", not what burned out acid casualties mean.
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Your point being?
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...it is un-fucking-believable.
I agree. But, from what we have just outlined... They don't tell people Jesus is the answer because Jesus is not Jesus!
You're totally right, black isn't black, either! As a matter of fact, nothing is what it is!
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Do you also think that Christians equate Jesus with mushrooms and the psychedelics experience? 'Cuz that would be purty stoopid.
Its actually the more intelligent esoteric Christians that do.
Like Silversoul? 
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TimmiT said: Those that are in the know. And, it is Truth. Not stoopid. Real.
In any case, like I said earlier, it's awfully presumptuous to believe that your lifestyle is the answer to everybody's life problems, that kind of thinking is just childish as fuck. 
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What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Please, be clear and don't try to obfuscate shit and/or dodge this simple, direct question.
Instead of hiding the psychedelic (illumination) experience from us we should have been allowed. (evolved)
Evolved in what sense?
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By those representing Jesus.
They have been fooled by people who represent Jesus? How Jesus-like of them...
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
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I don't have links... But the science behind mushrooms producing a spiritual/religious experience is wildly known and held to be valid among scholars.
Harvard's Good Friday Experiment John's Hopkins University UCLA
There is physical evidence and plenty of research going on.
Decent to me is enough.
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The problem is defining a "spiritual" experience. Mushrooms distort your perception of reality; whether you call that "spiritual" or not depends entirely on whether or not you believe in spirits in the first place. It can just as easily be called a "philosophical experience" or even a "scientific experiment."
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Wildly known? 
Really, dude? You think that just because mushrooms can produce those kinds of experiences, that indicates that this bullshit in bold is true?
If you really consider it... That Jesus was a mushroom. Literally that he said himself that he was a food substance to be eaten. And... That he is that substance in the wilderness. Jesus is the answer to the human condition.
Damn you have some talent there, I could never make such huge leaps in logic, even if I practiced.
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OK, these things exist; so what?
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Physical evidence of what? So what if there is plenty of research going on?
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FishOilTheKid said: Decent to me is enough.
Well it's not enough for this debate forum, here you're actually expected to provide evidence when asked to.
Don't feel bad, though, you're not the first person to come in here and babble a bunch of incoherent pet theories without providing any evidence, or even taking the time to read the forum description beforehand; as a matter of fact, it happens somewhat often.
This debate-oriented forum is for the discussion of philosophical ideas that can be backed up with some sort of thoughtful logic and reasoning.
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That's your interpretation of it; certainly isn't mine, or probably anybody else's who follows Christianity.
You are wrong. And, your assertion is ignorant.
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Prove that it's logical and respected, or STFU. Do you even know what logic is? Do you really think bare assertions are logical? 
Its far from a bare assertion. No you STFU.
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...or even slightly supported by evidence.
What is the question? Evidence? For what?
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That's how what makes sense logically? This:
No the Bible and the entire concept of ingesting God's Flesh for salvation.
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...Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms shows that this complete and utter nonsense in bold is logical?
...That Jesus is a food substance that produces a mystical experience more specifically.
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Can you please start making sense, and not write idiotic incomplete sentences like this one?
I'm going to ask you to STFU on this one...
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Then it's important that you provide the specific passage where it is mentioned, like, you know, actually copy-paste it here.
I did. Look it up yourself. You just maked yerself look purty stoopid.
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...not what burned out acid casualties mean.
...You know maaaaan, you really gotta put things in perspective, brah...
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Your point being?
The teachings have strayed from their true inspiration.
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As a matter of fact, nothing is what it is!
So why are you so pissed??
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Like Silversoul? 
Seems like a smart dude. Why...?? Does he claim to be an esoteric christian and it irks you??
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...it's awfully presumptuous to believe that your lifestyle is the answer to everybody's life problems, that kind of thinking is just childish as fuck.
Dude, dude, dude... Is that what you are arguing?? I never meant to make that claim. I was speaking strictly conceptually.
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Evolved in what sense?
Evolved along those lines. In acceptance of psychedelic use not ignorant of it.
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They have been fooled by people who represent Jesus? How Jesus-like of them...
It is good AND evil.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Alright, so I'm confused.
Are you (FishOilTheKid) claiming that Jesus actually was a mushroom and a mushroom trip actually is the ultimate spiritual enlightenment? Or are you just saying that early Christianity was historically a mushroom-based cult?
Because I've heard the second one before (despite the fact that it's FAR from widely accepted). And I'm pretty sure that's not what most people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer."
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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No.
That is a jump to a conclusion.
I think you are getting confused because its a concept not something I actually believe.
'Jesus is the answer to the human condition' IN THAT CONTEXT Which would be a christian one... Like Sin/Eternal damnation, get it?
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OK, these things exist; so what?
They are producing the evidence that DOES exist.
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Physical evidence of what? So what if there is plenty of research going on?
Plant based mystical experience: Mushrooms. More proof of said experience in existence.
Pattern recognition. (Tarzan and who...)
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...here you're actually expected to provide evidence when asked to.
What evidence do you want...??
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FishOilTheKid said: I don't have links... But the science behind mushrooms producing a spiritual/religious experience is wildly known and held to be valid among scholars.
Harvard's Good Friday Experiment John's Hopkins University UCLA
There is physical evidence and plenty of research going on.
Decent to me is enough.
This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom. And decent to you is not enough in a debate forum. Try the mystery forum for nonsense posting.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: NetDiver]
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(despite the fact that it's FAR from widely accepted)
I may think that it is more accepted than it is. And I was speaking of a specific educated audience.
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And I'm pretty sure that's not what most people mean when they say "Jesus is the answer."
The question in the OP is 'to what?' I outlined a possible context.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
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This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom.
Dude... It has to do with a food in the wilderness producing a spiritual/religious experience.
You all are missing something.
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That's your interpretation of it; certainly isn't mine, or probably anybody else's who follows Christianity.
You are wrong. And, your assertion is ignorant.
So that isn't your interpretation of it?
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Prove that it's logical and respected, or STFU. Do you even know what logic is? Do you really think bare assertions are logical? 
Its far from a bare assertion. No you STFU.
What you've provided thus far in this discussion are bare assertions, you haven't once provided any actual evidence when asked to.
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...or even slightly supported by evidence.
What is the question? Evidence? For what?
Go look back and see for yourself, I'm not gonna fuckin' repeat myself.
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That's how what makes sense logically?
...the Bible and the entire concept of ingesting God's Flesh for salvation.
This is what you said:
I'm saying Jesus in the bible is mushrooms and that's how it makes sense logically.
You're saying that Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms, and that's how the Bible and the entire concept of ingesting god's flesh for salvation makes sense logically; are you fucking retarded? 
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...Jesus in the Bible is mushrooms shows that this complete and utter nonsense in bold is logical?
...That Jesus is a food substance that produces a mystical experience more specifically.
I see; I guess we need to reject absolutely everything that was said about Jesus in the Bible, then, and just adopt this fringe interpretation, don't we? Because obviously what you're saying is extremely true.
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Can you please start making sense, and not write idiotic incomplete sentences like this one?
I'm going to ask you to STFU on this one...
OK...
You made an incomplete sentence, and I would prefer that you not do that because I want to be able to understand what you're saying; why do you want me to STFU on that one, do you really not like having your errors pointed out to you by other people or something?
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Then it's important that you provide the specific passage where it is mentioned, like, you know, actually copy-paste it here.
I did. Look it up yourself. You just maked yerself look purty stoopid.
I looked it up and got a website that gave me a whole page of bullshit; I'm not going to read a whole page of bullshit, the burden is on you to quote the sections of the bullshit that directly mentions this "round thing".
You did not provide any text from that passage, you just provided its name. I don't give a fuck at all about its name.
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...not what burned out acid casualties mean.
...You know maaaaan, you really gotta put things in perspective, brah...
The funny thing is you actually told me this.
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Your point being?
The teachings have strayed from their true inspiration.
How did you determine what their true inspiration is?
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As a matter of fact, nothing is what it is!
So why are you so pissed??
Because you're so fucking good at reading minds, and I'm all-kinds of jealous! 
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Like Silversoul? 
Seems like a smart dude. Why...?? Does he claim to be an esoteric christian and it irks you??
Nah, he doesn't irk me at all; I actually appreciate his posts, they're often very informative. 
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...it's awfully presumptuous to believe that your lifestyle is the answer to everybody's life problems, that kind of thinking is just childish as fuck.
Dude, dude, dude... Is that what you are arguing?? I never meant to make that claim. I was speaking strictly conceptually.
I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify?
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Evolved in what sense?
Evolved along those lines. In acceptance of psychedelic use not ignorant of it.
Are you speaking in terms of the entire human race, or in terms of individuals?
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They have been fooled by people who represent Jesus? How Jesus-like of them...
It is good AND evil.

People who represent Christ are both good and evil?
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Okay, well I know Wikipedia isn't the best source, but due to the obscurity of your theory I can't really find any better ones. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entheogen#Judaism_and_Christianity
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The question of the extent of visionary plant use throughout the history of Christian practice has barely been considered yet by academic or independent scholars.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just trying to verify the accuracy of your claims.
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FishOilTheKid said: I think you are getting confused because its a concept not something I actually believe.
Do you understand the concept of a debate forum?
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OK, these things exist; so what?
They are producing the evidence that DOES exist.
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Physical evidence of what? So what if there is plenty of research going on?
Plant based mystical experience: Mushrooms. More proof of said experience in existence.
I already agreed with you on the fact that such evidence exists.
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FishOilTheKid said: Pattern recognition. (Tarzan and who...)
, what?
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...here you're actually expected to provide evidence when asked to.
What evidence do you want...??
Again, I'm not going to repeat myself; go back and look at every single post to see where I asked you for evidence. If you reread the thread again, you'll find that you never provided evidence when I asked you. This is a debate forum, and you can't just come in here and talk about a bunch of crap without expecting it to be challenged.
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Don't feel bad, though, you're not the first person...
Poid: Forum Ambassador

No, I've just been here for 3 years and am somewhat familiar with the workings of this place.
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This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom.
Dude... It has to do with a food in the wilderness producing a spiritual/religious experience.
You all are missing something.
You said Jesus is a fucking mushroom, have you forgotten already?
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This has nothing to do with your idea of jesus being a mushroom.
Dude... It has to do with a food in the wilderness producing a spiritual/religious experience.
You all are missing something.
Right and like I said there's not a shred of reliable evidence that anyone was taking mushrooms. Where's the beef dude?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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So that isn't your interpretation of it?
The entheogen theory of religion is what I believe and its supported by many Christians.
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...you haven't once provided any actual evidence when asked to.
I asked what you wanted evidence for. Jesus being a mushroom? Mushrooms producing a mystical(whatever) experience? What?
The Bible makes sense to me when Mushrooms are in the understanding, yes. I am not retarded are you immature as fuck??
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Because obviously what you're saying is true.
You seem to have a problem with Christianity... Why not seek out alternative theories?? Maybe a blend would be better than rejecting, IDK.
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...do you really not like having your errors pointed out to you by other people or something?
It was silly. I think you know what I meant.
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...the burden is on you to quote the sections of the bullshit that directly mention this "round thing".
HERE IS SOME BULLSHIT...
FOR YA!
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And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.
15And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+16&version=KJV
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The funny thing is you actually told me this. 
Yah a couple times.
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How did you determine what their true inspiration is?
By choosing it after some consideration and experimentation.
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Because you're so fucking good at reading minds, and I'm all kinds of jealous. 
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Nah, he doesn't irk me at all...
Why did you say that, I'm curious?
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify?
That given the concept Jesus can be seen as an answer for an un-illuminated experience. 'Jesus is the answer' 'To what?'
To the darkness.
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Are you speaking in terms of the entire human race, or in terms of individuals?
More as a consensus.
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People who represent Christ both good and evil? 
Believe it. Boooyah!
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
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How about like...
An engraving of a christ figure next to a patch of psilocybe looking mushrooms on a pillar in a church??
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Where's the beef dude?
In the middle of the sandwich. Where's the bread??
*chomp chomp chomp*
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You said Jesus is a fucking mushroom, have you forgotten already?
Jesus is a concept. A natural food substance. An experience. A person.
Fuckin bread from heaven.
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An engraving of a christ figure next to a patch of psilocybe looking mushrooms on a pillar in a church??
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Where's the beef dude?
In the middle of the sandwich. Where's the bread??
*chomp chomp chomp*
First you have to prove those are magic mushrooms. Dooood.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
#14104137 - 03/11/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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tbh.. Id rather follow Jerry Garcia..
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So that isn't your interpretation of it?
The entheogen theory of religion is what I believe and its supported by many Christians.
OK, so it is your interpretation of it; please provide proof for what's in bold.
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...you haven't once provided any actual evidence when asked to.
I asked what you wanted evidence for. Jesus being a mushroom? Mushrooms producing a mystical(whatever) experience? What?
For the last fucking time, I'm not going to repeat myself (you've made me repeat myself 3 times about how I'm not going to repeat myself).
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If you have to ask, then I don't believe you. 
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Because obviously what you're saying is true.
You seem to have a problem with Christianity... Why not seek out alternative theories??
I've got a better idea: why not just continue living my life the way I've been living it and do whatever the fuck I want to?
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Better how?
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...do you really not like having your errors pointed out to you by other people or something?
It was silly. I think you know what I meant.
Well I didn't; I'm not psychic like you, man, I apologize. 
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...the burden is on you to quote the sections of the bullshit that directly mention this "round thing".
HERE IS SOME BULLSHIT...
FOR YA!
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And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.
15And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+16&version=KJV
Aw, look it that, you're finally growing up and providing evidence with linked sources! 
Reading comprehension much? Where does it state there that Jesus gave them a piece of his body to eat? It doesn't, it just says that he gave them round little pieces of bread to eat.
I actually remember this story from back when I used to read the Bible, and, if I recall correctly, the manna fell down from the sky. It was sustenance from God; they had no food, and God gave them the manna because they were the "chosen people" or some bullshit like that.
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The funny thing is you actually told me this. 
Yah a couple times.
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How did you determine what their true inspiration is?
By choosing it after some consideration and experimentation.
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Because you're so fucking good at reading minds, and I'm all kinds of jealous. 
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Nah, he doesn't irk me at all...
Why did you say that, I'm curious?
I don't know, I think it might be because he doesn't irk me at all.
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I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you clarify?
That given the concept Jesus can be seen as an answer for an un-illuminated experience. 'Jesus is the answer' 'To what?'
To the darkness.
What darkness? Why don't those preachers ever mention exactly what Jesus is the answer to? Instead of "Jesus is the answer.", why don't they instead come straight out and say "Jesus is the answer to suffering."?
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Are you speaking in terms of the entire human race, or in terms of individuals?
More as a consensus.
So some sort of consensus evolves? Consensus between who? Can you provide some accurate detail on what this consensus entails?
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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OK, so it is your interpretation of it; please provide proof for what's in bold.
The ingestion of the Eucharist.
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...I'm not going to repeat myself (you've made me repeat myself 3 times...
Quit contradicting yourself.
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...and do whatever the fuck I want to?
Yes. Do this.
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Better how?
In accepting and incorporating the way others interpret Christianity I think you would have a better 'version' of the belief system. Better... I don't know more diverse. There is this whole gnostic flip side to things...
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Well I didn't; I'm not psychic like you, man, I apologize.
It was a King of Hearts dude... I tried.
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...you're finally growing up...
Growing up?? Aren't you like 22?? Shizz, son.
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Reading comprehension much?
STFU please
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Where does it state there that Jesus gave them a piece of his body to eat? It doesn't it just says that he gave them round little pieces of bread to eat.
Nowhere.
No it doesn't.
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...the manna fell down from the sky. It was sustenance from God; they had no food, and God gave them the manna because they were the "chosen people" or some bullshit...
Holy shit.
Right. Now use your enormous brain to find a solution to this problem. To me my brain goes... WTF? Its a riddle. A metaphor. Word play.
Find a more mature way to interpret that.
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What darkness?
Think unlearned or inexperienced or uninitiated. Or unknowing.
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Why don't those preachers ever...
I can't speak for them.
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So some sort of consensus evolves? Consensus between who?
Its called culture. People.
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Can you provide some accurate detail on what this consensus entails?
Agreement and cooperation.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
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First you have to prove those are magic mushrooms.
Well all you would have from artwork would be shapes and colors.
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duh and don't forget the active imagination.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Icelander]
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I really don't know but are there many common edibles that look like liberty cap-esque psilocybes?
You've seen this pillar? I know its been in a thread that you have probably stumbled across?
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OK, so it is your interpretation of it; please provide proof for what's in bold.
The ingestion of the Eucharist.
What about that? How does the ingestion of the Eucharist imply that the entheogen theory of religion is supported by many Christians?
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...and do whatever the fuck I want to?
Yes. Do this.
Thanks for your permission. 
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Better how?
In accepting and incorporating the way others interpret Christianity I think you would have a better 'version' of the belief system. Better... I don't know more diverse. There is this whole gnostic flip side to things...
How would that make my life better, though, especially if I don't give too much of a rat's ass about Christianity, or any other religion for that matter?
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...you're finally growing up...
Growing up?? Aren't you like 22?? Shizz, son.
How'd you know that? Shit, you really are psychic! 
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Where does it state there that Jesus gave them a piece of his body to eat? It doesn't it just says that he gave them round little pieces of bread to eat.
Nowhere.
Then why do you believe that Jesus gave them pieces of his body to eat?
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Yes it does:
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...the manna fell down from the sky. It was sustenance from God; they had no food, and God gave them the manna because they were the "chosen people" or some bullshit...
Holy shit.
Right. Now use your enormous brain to find a solution to this problem. To me my brain goes... WTF? Its a riddle. A metaphor. Word play.
Find a more mature way to interpret that.
It's neither of those things, but rather, it's a myth; lots of heroes in myths have to overcome adversity, like Odysseus in Homer's Odyssey. I don't see from that passage any reason to believe that the manna was anything other than bread; these people had been journeying for years and they were starving, so why would you interpret the manna to be anything other than food? 
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So some sort of consensus evolves? Consensus between who?
Its called culture. People.
So you want culture to evolve into a place where everybody constantly doses on mushrooms?
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Can you provide some accurate detail on what this consensus entails?
Agreement and cooperation.
Very detailed.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: Poid]
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: andrewss]
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: andrewss]
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That movie actually has a pretty badass soundtrack IMO.
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Re: "Jesus is the answer." [Re: andrewss]
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I saw that stage play back in the 70s. Me an my stoner friends would all take a part off the album which we knew by heart and change the words to totally irreverent stoner shit and get stoned and sing the album. It was a total blast.
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Re: [Re: Poid]
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What about that? How does the ingestion of the Eucharist imply that the entheogen theory of religion is supported by many Christians?
Its a ritualized enactment of the ingestion of the Savior concept to attain Gnosis. Except admittedly they are using something in place of 'real' flesh. ...Transubstantiation and so on.
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How would that make my life better, though, especially if I don't give too much of a rat's ass about Christianity, or any other religion for that matter?
I don't think the thrill is in giving a shit. I think the comprehension of the esoteric concepts and the realization of the mythology coupled with the mystic-altered state occasion within your lifetime is where the excitement is. Leap of faith scientific experimentation/exploration. Its magic come alive. When you don't give a shit and you are in that territory you quickly realize the validity of at least 'kind of' giving a shit... Its very interesting.
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How'd you know that? Shit, you really are psychic! 
Don't be surprised if something taps on your shoulder and fills you with energy. Then, you will feel a stab and see flashes of white light.
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Then why do you believe that Jesus gave them pieces of his body to eat?
Because Jesus saying something like... 'Take eat this is my flesh, drink this is my blood' is something memorable to me about the Jesus story.
And I never said that he gave them pieces of his body... Eating and drinking the flesh and blood of Jesus is the mystery of Christianity in a world that claims Christianity has no such secret. Jesus says himself what he is. He says he is the Bread/Manna. He says eat.
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As they were eating, Jesus took some bread and blessed it. Then he broke it in pieces and gave it to the disciples, saying, "Take this and eat it, for this is my body." http://nlt.scripturetext.com/matthew/26.htm
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I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world." http://bible.cc/john/6-35.htm
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Yes it does:
...there lay a small round thing...This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.
To me that reads that he was just explaining. And, this is Moses not Jesus.
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...like Odysseus in Homer's Odyssey.
Right, but rather than taken literally these epic journeys can be seen as psychological manifestations within the collective or individual psyche. Like complete metaphors for mental ongoings that may or may not have been inspired or had as some component a ritual ingestion of potion/elixir/blood/sacred food. The hero's journey parallels the psychedelic awakening experience very closely.
Dare I say CHRIST...?!
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I don't see from that passage any reason to believe that the manna was anything other than bread; these people had been journeying for years and they were starving, so why would you interpret the manna to be anything other than food? 
You would have to set off in that direction first. Why?? Because you may have been clued into the idea... I don't know you would have to find it of some import. Grasping concepts and discovery whatever your faith may be is exciting, no??
The story actually goes...
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And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that he heareth your murmurings against the LORD: and what are we, that ye murmur against us?
8And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.
9And Moses spake unto Aaron, Say unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, Come near before the LORD: for he hath heard your murmurings. http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+16&version=KJV
Moses was subjecting his followers to a psychedelic judgment by his entheogen induced Godhead experience.
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So you want culture to evolve into a place where everybody constantly doses on mushrooms?
Haha... No.
What I want is the mass recognition of the sacred psychedelic substances places in history and within our lives.
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Very detailed. 
*You know the problem with a person kind of being a prick some of the time is that you don't know when they are being sarcastic*
Edited by FishOilTheKid (03/14/11 09:31 AM)
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