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Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs
    #14091644 - 03/09/11 10:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So I have been working with Wbs now for almost 2 years. Is the only thing I can get locally. The other 2 I would have to order online and of course with shipping they would be considerably more expensive. Is it more personal preference and availability or would switching to one of the others show a considerable increase in yield? I'm about to order a bunch of stuff and figured I would get the general consensus, Maybe switch it up.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14091667 - 03/09/11 10:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

its all user preference really..


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14091921 - 03/09/11 11:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rye is better, but not good enough to pay shipping.
If you have used WBS for two years, there's no reason to change.

But I call BS on the idea you can't find rye locally. Where in the world are you?


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Doc_T]
    #14092050 - 03/09/11 11:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Out in the sticks,town of like 1500 with a 7-11 and a dollar store. I can drive 30 mins and have access to a few dif places. Maybe I'm just confused on exactly what rye to get. Is rye grass seed the same as rye berries? Just any type of rye will work? Even looking at the rye grass seed though I didn't see any without a fungicide in it.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14092065 - 03/09/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What you want:

Rye Berries - Rye Kernels
Wheat Berries - Wheat Kernels

I had to drive over an hour to find a place that stocked any at a
decent price, but if you look hard enough I am sure you can find
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14092067 - 03/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rye goes by a few names. I couldn't find it when mentioning rye berries, but when I finally said winter rye things started moving in the right direction.

The rye seed is different, but still usable.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Ozzy]
    #14092160 - 03/09/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

WBS is the only spawn I will ever use due to availability and cost. Only advice I have to give in WBS selection is always avoid birdseed with cracked corn. It still works, it just makes everything all sticky. I don't see any advantage in using Rye once you become accustomed to properly hydrating WBS.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: DZ]
    #14092193 - 03/09/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rye comes cleaner(less rinsing)
dries faster
don't have to look around the city for who has the non corn wbs
has more nutrients than wbs


and once you find a good source is only marginaly more expensive than wbs, in the end the ease of usability and it's nutritional benefits are worth it.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Ozzy]
    #14092313 - 03/09/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've just been using super cheap birdseed..good percentage of it is corn. It is a reall bitch busting the spawn up in the jars,if prep is also easier with rye then def worth a try.
I'll call some places then and ask about winter rye. If I can't find it I'll go ahead and order some. 11.95 for 50lbs is cheapest I've found online. I imagine I'll pay atleast double that for shipping then. Found some coir for $13 for 10 pounds and coarse verm 16.50 for 4 cu feet.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14092469 - 03/09/11 01:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Check health food stores (Whole Foods, Earth fare, etc.) for the bulk, serve-yourself bins. They almost always have rye berries or winter wheat berries, at least around my neck of the woods. Or if you're west of the Mississippi, check out Azure Standard. You can set up a free delivery to one of hundreds (thousands?) of drop points, where you can pick it up.

It can get a bit more pricey than the WBS, but after switching to rye from bird seed a while ago, I can surely say I won't go back if I have the choice.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Boozie]
    #14092485 - 03/09/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It can get a bit more pricey than the WBS, but after switching to rye from bird seed a while ago, I can surely say I won't go back if I have the choice.




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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14092553 - 03/09/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Out in the sticks,town of like 1500 with a 7-11 and a dollar store.




Got a feed store? Ask for hard rye or winter rye. 40 lbs for like $12.99.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Doc_T]
    #14092575 - 03/09/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hell if you are ordering, You should order/find/ trade for horse/cow poo- IMO way better than Coir- And usually if you find a source, out in that one horse town they will prolly let you have all you want. Some people may even pay you to take it. just make sure it doesnt have any wood chips in it.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: idunno]
    #14092773 - 03/09/11 02:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Alright so found a place that stocks Winter Rye. Should be getting it in stock soon..not to far of a drive.

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hell if you are ordering, You should order/find/ trade for horse/cow poo- IMO way better than Coir- And usually if you find a source, out in that one horse town they will prolly let you have all you want. Some people may even pay you to take it. just make sure it doesnt have any wood chips in it.




I know someone that knows someone with horses. I do plan to gather a stockpile once it warms up a bit. Planned to try professor p's sub mix with the poo and coir. I can get coir close by here at 6.99 for 1.25 pound brick :thumbdown: I'll get it there I suppose untill I try the poo with and without. Then order bulk if I want to use it.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14092801 - 03/09/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Can you get verm?
Cup for cup, cakes outproduce any other material. If it's such a hassle to get supplies, get the most value out of what you have.

also, cased grains do better than you might think.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Doc_T]
    #14093258 - 03/09/11 03:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I can get small bags of verm. I can't go back to cakes though :/ I really just wondered if rye was worth switching to. Sounds like it def is worth giving a try. Even ording some stuff I would only be looking at a few hundred. Would be enough material to keep my 6qt trays in constant rotation for quite some time.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14093328 - 03/09/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I noticed that Mcdude mentioned coarse verm. When I picked up my verm, I had ordered med., and didn't notice that it was coarse until I got home. I've been running it thru a blender. Am I wasting my time doing this?,
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14093386 - 03/09/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I noticed that Mcdude mentioned coarse verm. When I picked up my verm, I had ordered med., and didn't notice that it was coarse until I got home. I've been running it thru a blender. Am I wasting my time doing this?,
It takes a while to do this.
Any help




I've been reading conflicting things recently. On the AMU page I think I have seen the use of coarse verm mentioned. Seen it said to double up on the amount of verm in Damions 50/50 coir tek if using fine verm. Prof P also spoke of coarse verm in his substrate. I'm guessing maybe for pf tek the fine is what you want. When moving into larger bulk substrates the coarse is better.....what I've gathered over the last few days anyway.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14093428 - 03/09/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I use nothing but coarse verm, but I grow nothing but bulk.

If we were referring to cakes we would want to use a medium grade.

If you get the true fine grade verm it is like beach sand.

What some people refer to as fine grade is actually medium grade.

I don't know about using a blender. I've never tried but would imagine it would not be very effective :shrug:

The following is how the three different types should look

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The latter is the better for what I do. :thumbup:


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14093445 - 03/09/11 04:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

...I can get coir close by here at 6.99 for 1.25 pound brick ...

ouch that does suck the big balls. I get my bricks for 1.99.  At 6.99 I would be out searching for manure too.

Also for  the sake of a post for those not in the know, whole foods stores are the worst place to buy rye. When your talking about anything over 20 lbs (so 20 jars, not that much) you will be throwing money away.

I did for a while and it sucked. Food stores, I have found, are the only ones that use the term rye berries. Use winter rye or as doc suggested hard rye at the feed store.

50 bucks for 50 lbs= food stores
12-20 bucks for 56lbs= at the livestock feed store in your area.

I am also a fan of the coarse verm in my mixes.

Glad you found such a cheap source of rye McDude..I'm jealous, you're paying a few bucks less than me.:thumbup:


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14093483 - 03/09/11 04:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, be here about a month & see alot of conflicting teks. But I have noticed they are all trying to help us noob's out. Everyone has there own method that they will swear to and I'm sure that we will to someday. At least there is some place to turn to for a starting point. I garden durning the summer & get board in the winter, so shroomen seemed like something to do. after watching a video I was hooked and went & bought what I could in bulk. Living in the N.E. it is hard to find some items in the winter, but I'll be prepared for next winter. I have my 1st grow incubating now & it should be ready in the next 3 wks. I figure if it is sucessful I can then mess around with other teks. Good Luck To U


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Ozzy]
    #14093495 - 03/09/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If I were you guys I would start getting my bricks here.

Its 5 bucks for 3 packs. With a 6.99 flat rate shipping. I get 100 pounds of coir for ~ 1 dollar a pound shipped including the shipping. Plus they send emails w/ free shipping over $60 coupon codes to me.

So I get 30 bricks, ~ 100 pounds, for $100 shipped to my door.

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14093496 - 03/09/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Running it thru a blender is nothing more than a pain in the ass, but I figured that I have 4cbf. so I might as well use it. I will eventually do something other than PF-Tek. Would the coarse be ok for casing use?


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14093507 - 03/09/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd go with medium for casings.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14093542 - 03/09/11 04:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Blender it is then. Next time I go that way I'll stop & get a bag of med. Its about 35 miles away, so I don't go to that city very often, & I have a blender & a case of beer.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14093576 - 03/09/11 04:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess I should have said a little less than a case of beer as I turned WBS into WBSF. A grinder, a few beers, a little smoke & wola, WBSF.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14093646 - 03/09/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The standard Hoffmans horticulture verm that I see everywhere is the medium. It is 8 bux for and 8q bag here lol I gotta check the shipping on the 4 cu feet bag but at 16.50. That is going to be the way to go even with shipping. Coming from 1 state away can't be that much. Even if I pay 40-50 for shipping it's still worth it.

And for the record I have never even seen a whole foods store in my life lol Healthy organic food stuff...wtf is that! Maybe it exsists somewhere in my state. Though probably not because we are ranked in the top 5 most obese states lol


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14093678 - 03/09/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Blender it is then. Next time I go that way I'll stop & get a bag of med. Its about 35 miles away, so I don't go to that city very often, & I have a blender & a case of beer.




Go to wally world if it is closer and pick up some jiffy mix. Just use that for your casing. I recently bought a bag for 4 bux. Generally mix my own but thought I would give this a try.

Jiffy mix for the casing that is..


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14093705 - 03/09/11 05:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If I were you guys I would start getting my bricks here.

Its 5 bucks for 3 packs. With a 6.99 flat rate shipping. I get 100 pounds of coir for ~ 1 dollar a pound shipped including the shipping. Plus they send emails w/ free shipping over $60 coupon codes to me.

So I get 30 bricks, ~ 100 pounds, for $100 shipped to my door.

I'd check the link.




Wow that is the exact same shit I buy here at the somewhat local pet store. It is 6.99 for one brick and 18.99 for the pack of 3 :mad2:


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14093717 - 03/09/11 05:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Wow that is the exact same shit I buy here at the somewhat local pet store. It is 6.99 for one brick and 18.99 for the pack of 3 :mad2:




Not anymore it isn't :thumbup:


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    #14093803 - 03/09/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Wow that is the exact same shit I buy here at the somewhat local pet store. It is 6.99 for one brick and 18.99 for the pack of 3 :mad2:




Not anymore it isn't :thumbup:




Fucking right mang! :headbanger: I was actually going to pm you and ask where you got yours cause I seen the debate in the distinguished teacher thread and noticed you saying you pay a dollar a pound.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14093827 - 03/09/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, CH HELL is ridiculous. I don't care what he says. At a dollar a pound I will cut any amount of poo 50/50 with it.

Even if you own your own horses there is always a limit to how much poo you can aqiure.

I don't care what he says. If I have 1 ton of poo I am turning it into 2 ton of sub and spending the couple grand on the coir.

2 tons is going to put out a lot more than one.

YOU NEED TO SPEND MONEY TO MAKE MONEY!

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14093892 - 03/09/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If I were you guys I would start getting my bricks here.

Its 5 bucks for 3 packs. With a 6.99 flat rate shipping. I get 100 pounds of coir for ~ 1 dollar a pound shipped including the shipping. Plus they send emails w/ free shipping over $60 coupon codes to me.

So I get 30 bricks, ~ 100 pounds, for $100 shipped to my door.

I'd check the link.




for the record, unless you're buying shitload at one time amazon is cheaper

the site you just listed is 5.15 for 3 bricks, plus 6.99 shipping

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: biologys]
    #14093929 - 03/09/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know. They aren't the cheapest. Its the shipping. Its flat rate. A google search will find them cheaper. But if you try and order a 10 pack of 3brick packs then it starts costing 25 bucks to ship. As it hits 50-100 pounds. The shipping gets nasty.

You are right though. For smaller Amazon all the way :thumbup:

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14094096 - 03/09/11 06:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe we should try our member shipping process. Just thinking. If I can buy a product that is available in my area and pass it down the line like a bucket brigade to the next member who then passes it on to the next & so on. I know I just paid $44.00 for 25lb of rye because I cannot get rye this time of year here. It would take alot of trust, but I think this is a close net community and could possibly work.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14094308 - 03/09/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok That thought went over like a fart in church. Sorry was thinking out loud.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: mabachko]
    #14094319 - 03/09/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I get free shipping man:shrug:
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14094624 - 03/09/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The following is how the three different types should look

Fine


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The latter is the better for what I do. :thumbup:




In my experience, fine is better for everything including bulk substrates, hands down.

In another post above someone said to double up if using fine verm. Actually it's the opposite.  Fine verm holds a lot more moisture per unit of measure than course or medium.  Remember, to a strand of mycelium which is only one cell in thickness, fine verm is like the Grand Canyon to an ant.

To anyone stuck buying small bags of verm, contact thermorock.com to find a dealer in the 3 cubic feet bags near you.

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Out in the sticks,town of like 1500 with a 7-11 and a dollar store.




Gosh, I have to drive almost three hours and cross two mountain passes to find a town of 1500. :lol:  Our county seat is 30 miles away from me with total population of 640. Wouldn't trade it for anything though.
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14095132 - 03/09/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Gosh, I have to drive almost three hours and cross two mountain passes to find a town of 1500. :lol:  Our county seat is 30 miles away from me with total population of 640. Wouldn't trade it for anything though.
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I agree it is nice and I do dream of the 400 acres or so with my house smack dab in the middle. Preferably beside a river or creek with no access except by some type of trolly/lift carrying you across the river and up the steep mountain side.

With the fine verm I was quoting something read earlier. Someone else had a rebuttal with pretty much what you said. More air pockets in the coarse affecting it this way or that. In the end what are we talking though....as far as yield using either. 1-2% sway in either direction? I've been using the medium 1q with a brick of coir, 1/2 q gypsum , 1 half q of EWC. I get between 540-780g first flush. I'll use dif ratios of sub vrs spawn. Sometimes less yields more and vice verse. Suppose it's all genetics until I get down to working with a mono culture I won't really know whats best.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14095443 - 03/09/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So if using fine verm in bulk, your supposed to use only one qt? I'm sure it doesn't make that big of difference though? Or does it? Compared to adding 2/3 qts?


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Taesian]
    #14095925 - 03/10/11 12:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So if using fine verm in bulk, your supposed to use only one qt? I'm sure it doesn't make that big of difference though? Or does it? Compared to adding 2/3 qts?




If it's working stick with it??? I don't know...we have conflicting opinions here based on? Personal preference and basic observation? I know RR knows his shit and we have seen his work. Prof Pinhead also excells in what he is doing...I guess we need some grows done with fine and coarse under the same conditions..substrate/genetics/lighting/fae all that shit if we really want to prove it makes a dif either way?


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14143117 - 03/18/11 01:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

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So if using fine verm in bulk, your supposed to use only one qt? I'm sure it doesn't make that big of difference though? Or does it? Compared to adding 2/3 qts?




If it's working stick with it??? I don't know...we have conflicting opinions here based on? Personal preference and basic observation? I know RR knows his shit and we have seen his work. Prof Pinhead also excells in what he is doing...I guess we need some grows done with fine and coarse under the same conditions..substrate/genetics/lighting/fae all that shit if we really want to prove it makes a dif either way?





I think we can all agree that the differences are minor.

Coarse grade vermiculite definitely helps more than fine grade to loosen up the texture of both casings and substrates, but as I said, the difference is minor.

Guess we're not talking about grain anymore. :lol:

I was just gonna mention that I recently made up some jars with wheat, and it was fucking fantastic! :whoo: I had used Hard Red Winter Wheat before and thought it worked every bit as good as rye, but couldn't find it anywhere but Whole Foods. :grrr: So, I picked up some  "Red Whole Wheat" from the feed store recently that I've been getting my milo from to try it out, as I didn't know if it would work the same. The color is DEFINITELY different - very tan colored, almost yellow.

Came out of the PC just like the rye berries in RR's video! :banana:
In fact, I don't personally see a benefit to using rye over wheat. Maybe I will after growing for a few decades? :justdontknow:

Rye isn't available immediately in my area, and now that I found this wonderful grain, I don't see a point in driving an hour or so out to the sticks in my state to get rye berries and an unnoticeable improvement in ease of use. :shrug:


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
    #14143166 - 03/18/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There is something to be said for using what is available in your area.  I don't see any reason to drive all over the valley or the state looking for a specific grain or some other supply.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: fbi365]
    #14144424 - 03/18/11 05:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm also in a no-rye situation. Ended up ordering online a 25lb bag of organic rye berries for a little under $20, plus shipping came up to about $1/lb.

Last week I found FOUR 40lb buckets of untouched, organic wheat berries stashed away in an forgotten cobwebby corner of my house. Hooray for hoarders!  :headbanger:

After reading this thread I am all the more excited to start using the wheat! One bucket's hard red, one soft white, one hard white (I think) and one mixed grains.

To anyone who's worked with both rye and wheat, my question is:

Would it be harder to achieve the right moisture content if I mixed say half-n-half rye/wheat in a single batch of spawn? Or should I just do all-rye and all-wheat jars to make things easier on my inexperienced self?

Do soft wheat, hard wheat, and rye absorb moisture very differently?

Stamet's GGMM lists wheat as lacking in the trace elements that rye has. (calcium, phosphorous and potassium)
He lists hard wheat as comparable with rye in nitrogen content. Soft wheat has less nitrogen than both.

Guess I won't know if this matters till I try them both out, but faceyneck's great results make me more hopeful bout wheat.

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: SKrink]
    #14148650 - 03/19/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm also in a no-rye situation. Ended up ordering online a 25lb bag of organic rye berries for a little under $20, plus shipping came up to about $1/lb.

Last week I found FOUR 40lb buckets of untouched, organic wheat berries stashed away in an forgotten cobwebby corner of my house. Hooray for hoarders!  :headbanger:

After reading this thread I am all the more excited to start using the wheat! One bucket's hard red, one soft white, one hard white (I think) and one mixed grains.

To anyone who's worked with both rye and wheat, my question is:

Would it be harder to achieve the right moisture content if I mixed say half-n-half rye/wheat in a single batch of spawn? Or should I just do all-rye and all-wheat jars to make things easier on my inexperienced self?

Do soft wheat, hard wheat, and rye absorb moisture very differently?

Stamet's GGMM lists wheat as lacking in the trace elements that rye has. (calcium, phosphorous and potassium)
He lists hard wheat as comparable with rye in nitrogen content. Soft wheat has less nitrogen than both.

Guess I won't know if this matters till I try them both out, but faceyneck's great results make me more hopeful bout wheat.

I'm sorry if this counts as a thread jack, picking up proper forum etiquette as I go along...




I wouldn't call this a thread-jacking, no. Quite on topic. :super:

I don't know anything about soft wheat. The "Red Whole Wheat" I just started using most likely is a "hard" variety. You'll just need to make up a jar or two of each and try them out.

Don't mix them up. Do them all separate. I prepare all my grains the same way, and that's exactly how RR does it in his videos, and how he's described it on here thousands of times. :lol:

24-hour soak to hydrate; (...no it's NOT to germinate endospores. That shit is inaccurate and out-dated information, in case you didn't know.) put on stove to heat on high for 20 minutes, or just until boiling; dry off; load into jars after completely dry, but hydrated; sterilize for 90 minutes at roughly 15psi.

I dry off my grains by getting them super hot and steamy, then strain as you can see here:



...then I pour all the grain out onto a large piece of window screen, laid out atop a few sheets and towels, with a large box fan propped downward facing to dry off the grains:



I lay out the grains more or less level, then go chill out for about 1/2 hour. When I come back, I mix up the grains with a spoon and check to see if they're dry. If they are, I load them up. If not, I give it another 1/2 hour. I like this system because it can dry off enough grains for about 30-40 jars at once, and it requires very little work.

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
    #14148997 - 03/19/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the info facey!

Man I always loved the endospore theory... too bad it's been disproved? Seemed so awesome to trick endospores into germinating, then blasting them all into oblivion with a PC... like a guerilla ambush. Oh well.

Anyway I'll have to try out that box fan drying idea. Right now I have about 30 gallons of expanded coir that's all damp and needs dried out before I store it away. Drying in the sun not an option here.

It got wet in a storm and so was deemed "unacceptable" by stores... but otherwise its perfectly perfect.

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: SKrink]
    #14154673 - 03/20/11 04:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Soaking WILL germinate endospores, for sure.

...but the freshly germinated bacterium will start producing MORE endospores within an hour of soaking the grain. The longer the grain is soaked, the more endospores will be germinated. That's what I've been told, anyway.

A 24-hour soak will hydrate grains to a virtually perfect moisture content. If one were to try and boil water into the grain, they would expand too fast, and many more would burst.

Smaller grains like milo and millet will burst like a mutha regardless, though. Even so, a 24-hour soak is the best and most ideal way to hit perfect moisture content. :thumbup:


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
    #14155420 - 03/20/11 06:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I to am having a hard time finding "rye grain"
is wheat berries the same thing?
hard weat kernels/wheat berries?
what other names does rye grain have?


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
    #14155507 - 03/20/11 07:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rye Berries This is the best price I've found so far. Gonna give it a try eventually.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
    #14155779 - 03/20/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like it would be ok...scroll a few posts up and read what facey wrote. Said the grain he is using is most likely a hard wheat...talks some about prep.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14155789 - 03/20/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks mcdude


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
    #14155857 - 03/20/11 08:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

who's mic?

or am I just high :confused2:

well, I'm definitely high but who the heck is mic?


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14155877 - 03/20/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Lol Mc=Mic...was my assumption :shrug:.


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    #14155934 - 03/20/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you have a local feed store like Southern States nearby? I have had great results with many varieties of shroom using rye berries from them. I remember when I first contacted them to find it and asked them for rye berries, they had no idea what I was talking about. It turns out they call it "seed rye" and it is really good stuff. I have contacted their corporate office and talked to a few different people that assured me that the seed rye they sell is untainted. They said everything they sell that contains fungicide is colored purple to make sure folks know it. I have been using it for years. I hope this helps.

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: McDude]
    #14156029 - 03/20/11 08:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Lol Mc=Mic...was my assumption :shrug:.



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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
    #14156050 - 03/20/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I to am having a hard time finding "rye grain"
is wheat berries the same thing?
hard weat kernels/wheat berries?
what other names does rye grain have?




you might see rye sold as whole rye, rye berries, or just rye. not to be confused with rye grass seed.

it's not the same as wheat berries, but they are similar.

almost any cereal grain will work, but some are considered better fit for our purposes.

you can also use wild bird seed (WBS) if you have that around you.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Primal Call]
    #14156071 - 03/20/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wheat berries = Rye berries.

They are basically the same, so much so you can barely tell the difference between the two if you hold them up next to each other fully colonized.

I remember being really paranoid when I first started growing and not wanting to get wheat berries because I though they wouldn't work.

I was so diligent about following RR's tek to the T. 

3 years later I ran out of rye one day and ran to get some more. At the store all the had was wheat berries and I said fuck it.

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14156172 - 03/20/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'll admit that they may be sold as the same thing under either name, but meh, I'm not gonna debate it because I'm a bottom-line kinda guy.

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Primal Call]
    #14156190 - 03/20/11 09:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, no they aren't sold under the same name and aren't the same thing. They are just strikingly similar,.

Is that a better description?

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14156217 - 03/20/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wikipedia:
"Rye (Secale cereale) is a grass grown extensively as a grain and as a forage crop. It is a member of the wheat tribe (Triticeae) and is closely related to barley and wheat."


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: ProfessorPinHead]
    #14156226 - 03/20/11 09:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lmao Prof! that's where I'm at!

but when I see "rye berries = wheat berries" the detail-oriented sides of me get :shakefist:

so yeah, pass the B, and let's move on.  :getstoned:

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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Primal Call]
    #14156413 - 03/20/11 09:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks guys yeah i meant mcdude lol
i do have wbs available but i was wondering if Hard Wheat Kernels or Hard Wheat Red Bran would work


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
    #14156604 - 03/20/11 10:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

go with the kernels. the bran would be missing the endosperm and the germ, which is where most of the nutrients are held.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: Primal Call]
    #14158216 - 03/21/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just started a batch of wheat berries for the first time the other day. Nocc'd them up a while ago so ill see how they are doing in a few days.  I did some WBS right along side to compare results. I was able to get the wheat berries right at my local supermarket in the bulk foods section, although i could not find rye.

After pc and hydration, the wheat berries look almost identical to rye berries, and should perform similar..

As for comparison this far, i prefer the wheat berries by a long shot. why?

-wheat berries made A LOT less mess, a lot easier to work with
-way easier to get the hydration right, i struggled to get the wbs at the right moisture for hours, the wheat was at the right moisture level after a few mins.

If they provide good fruits i think i will be using wheat from now on.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: shroomiin]
    #14159332 - 03/21/11 01:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I just started a batch of wheat berries for the first time the other day. Nocc'd them up a while ago so ill see how they are doing in a few days.  I did some WBS right along side to compare results. I was able to get the wheat berries right at my local supermarket in the bulk foods section, although i could not find rye.

After pc and hydration, the wheat berries look almost identical to rye berries, and should perform similar..

As for comparison this far, i prefer the wheat berries by a long shot. why?

-wheat berries made A LOT less mess, a lot easier to work with
-way easier to get the hydration right, i struggled to get the wbs at the right moisture for hours, the wheat was at the right moisture level after a few mins.

If they provide good fruits i think i will be using wheat from now on.





My most favored aspect of wheat/rye is that they don't require a shaking after coming out of the PC. Any WBS-type grain I've used always clumps together REALLY bad, and there's always a pool of condensation at the bottom of the jars after pressure cooking and I have no idea why.

I did a side-by-side experiment when I bought the wheat berries. Both the wheat and the milo were prepared the EXACT same way. Milo = bad clumping, and pool of water requiring a shake after sterilzation.

Wheat berries = just perfectly perfect. :bliss:

Rye is a type of wheat, so, hence the confusion. Both will work nearly identical, at least in my experience. Actually I noticed no benefit whatsoever of rye over wheat, so there's that. :wink: Maybe the rye would be slightly better in terms of micronutrients, which would benefit during fruiting, but I doubt it would be a measurable difference.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
    #14159786 - 03/21/11 03:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i normal wbs prep i use, the wbs doesn't clump at all, it breaks free nice and flows evenly in the jar...do you add a pinch of gypsum before PC'n?

i soak in gypsum water, then rinse, and simmer in clean water...let steam dry, load then add a pinch of gypsum then PC and works flawless.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: biologys]
    #14160331 - 03/21/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thank you ryath


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: realcarlos]
    #14161211 - 03/21/11 08:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah wheat looks like the way im going to go from now on, because i can't easily find rye so whatever. thanks for the input!


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: biologys]
    #14162087 - 03/21/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i normal wbs prep i use, the wbs doesn't clump at all, it breaks free nice and flows evenly in the jar...do you add a pinch of gypsum before PC'n?

i soak in gypsum water, then rinse, and simmer in clean water...let steam dry, load then add a pinch of gypsum then PC and works flawless.





As I said, I prep my grains exactly like RogerRabbit. So yes, gypsum is used, and makes no impact. Since when I prep rye or wheat there is no clumping doing the identical procedure, it stands to reason it's the grain, not my procedure. I've tried many, many different things in the 4 years I've been using WBS/ milo.

So, you mean to tell me, that when you take your jars of grain out of the PC, without shaking them whatsoever, there is absolutely no clumping?

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...wbs doesn't clump at all, it breaks free nice




"Breaks free" sounds suspect. :lol:

If it works, great. You've gotta be quite literally the only person I've ever hear say they didn't need to shake their WBS after PCing to break it up.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: faceyneck]
    #14162105 - 03/21/11 11:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok bad choice of working, but yes, i pull out of the PC and turn upside down and the grains flow freely , not clumped all together.


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Re: Wheat Berries,Rye Berries or Wbs [Re: biologys]
    #14162395 - 03/21/11 11:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ok bad choice of working, but yes, i pull out of the PC and turn upside down and the grains flow freely , not clumped all together.




That's not fair! :noway:


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