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One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment
    #14091174 - 03/09/11 07:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)




XKCD rules, but it doesn't often get into this territory.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14091225 - 03/09/11 07:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Haha DMT experience much?
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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14091238 - 03/09/11 08:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, I've been thinking about that lately. It's difficult to trip all the time or be very enlightened and actually have a "normal" life after you see the pointlessness and bullshit of most of society. I mean I'll work and go to school and everything, but I'm not trying to become a CEO or anything, just seems like a waste of time that won't be as fulfilling as you think it will. At the same time you can feel a little disconnected from people-like yesterday I was talking about dmt to some old stoner friends and they got really quiet like "are you fuckin crazy? fuck that"

Thats why the entheogenic community is so important though. It reminds me of a story where buddha is meditating with another monk who says "Buddha, it seems to me that the Sangha (buddhist community roughly) is at least half the holy life" and buddha replies "Friend, it is the entire holy life!".


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14091279 - 03/09/11 08:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah, I've been thinking about that lately. It's difficult to trip all the time or be very enlightened and actually have a "normal" life after you see the pointlessness and bullshit of most of society. I mean I'll work and go to school and everything, but I'm not trying to become a CEO or anything, just seems like a waste of time that won't be as fulfilling as you think it will. At the same time you can feel a little disconnected from people-like yesterday I was talking about dmt to some old stoner friends and they got really quiet like "are you fuckin crazy? fuck that"

Thats why the entheogenic community is so important though. It reminds me of a story where buddha is meditating with another monk who says "Buddha, it seems to me that the Sangha (buddhist community roughly) is at least half the holy life" and buddha replies "Friend, it is the entire holy life!".




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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14091437 - 03/09/11 09:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah, I've been thinking about that lately. It's difficult to trip all the time or be very enlightened and actually have a "normal" life after you see the pointlessness and bullshit of most of society. I mean I'll work and go to school and everything, but I'm not trying to become a CEO or anything, just seems like a waste of time that won't be as fulfilling as you think it will.





At the risk of saying too much, I actually am a CEO... and I know another CEO that is way more experienced than I am with psychedelics.  During and for about 48 hours after a strong trip, it seems absolutely inconceivable that I could understand, or be even a little bit motivated, to dive back into all the hyper busy craziness.  Life and simplicity is so beautiful, and business is so contrived and silly.

But then I remember that its all a game and I'm doing it because its fun and I try to bring all that simple beauty and love and fun into the daily madness. 

It actually makes working fun and fulfilling to live that way.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14091512 - 03/09/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: eve69]
    #14091584 - 03/09/11 09:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

damn, I didn't expect a response from an actual ceo lol. Always nice to get a new perspective though!


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14093219 - 03/09/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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damn, I didn't expect a response from an actual ceo lol. Always nice to get a new perspective though!




Just like everything else in life, it ain't all its cracked up to be.  :smile:


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14093239 - 03/09/11 03:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You guys have probably seen these little cartoons made from Alan Watts talks:



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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14093442 - 03/09/11 04:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This threah should be retitled, "One big problem with society"

Any society or way of life that isnt congruent with the psychedelic experience is pathological


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14094968 - 03/09/11 09:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I definitely think this is a problem with our close minded society , i take it your loved ones don't feel the same way about psychedelics as yo do, and as far as you being a CEO, Ive tripped with a sergeant in the marine core and a retired police officer it was a how would you put it, different experience.    Expect the unexpected


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: gornyhuy]
    #14095747 - 03/09/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You guys have probably seen these little cartoons made from Alan Watts talks:





Wow the music analogy just totally blew my mind, thanks for posting  :rockon:


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14095880 - 03/10/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This threah should be retitled, "One big problem with society"

Any society or way of life that isnt congruent with the psychedelic experience is pathological



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I do love science though, and I don't think it really mixes well with the psychedelic experience though.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: rhave]
    #14096481 - 03/10/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Great cartoon and it explains my conclusions about the psychedelic experience.  There is nothing that I can possibly do with it to make it useful, incorporate it into my life, integrate it, or provide any insight into my existence.  It's just a dream and I treat it as such.  Anything more and I'd be adopting and/or creating my own religion based on drug induced mindfucks.  It's great fucking entertainment as it twists your logic, pumps imagination full of life, and presses buttons and pulls levers in your brain.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: joemolloy]
    #14096781 - 03/10/11 08:57 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Great cartoon and it explains my conclusions about the psychedelic experience.  There is nothing that I can possibly do with it to make it useful, incorporate it into my life, integrate it, or provide any insight into my existence.  It's just a dream and I treat it as such.  Anything more and I'd be adopting and/or creating my own religion based on drug induced mindfucks.  It's great fucking entertainment as it twists your logic, pumps imagination full of life, and presses buttons and pulls levers in your brain.




Really? So there i no psychological gain from tripping? I would say that is usefull enough.

Also, I would say tripping and getting that good old brain reboot is pretty useful when it comes to understanding the pointless things in life we spend time on. I raarely feel okay abut spending hours on video games anymore. I feel much more inclined to learn on my own as well.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Cyclohexylamine]
    #14096797 - 03/10/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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yeah, I've been thinking about that lately. It's difficult to trip all the time or be very enlightened and actually have a "normal" life after you see the pointlessness and bullshit of most of society. I mean I'll work and go to school and everything, but I'm not trying to become a CEO or anything, just seems like a waste of time that won't be as fulfilling as you think it will. At the same time you can feel a little disconnected from people-like yesterday I was talking about dmt to some old stoner friends and they got really quiet like "are you fuckin crazy? fuck that"

Thats why the entheogenic community is so important though. It reminds me of a story where buddha is meditating with another monk who says "Buddha, it seems to me that the Sangha (buddhist community roughly) is at least half the holy life" and buddha replies "Friend, it is the entire holy life!".




QFT.
I want to one day do what MOTH did and leave everything for a eco community. But it is such a giant step and it would basically be the end of my life as I know lol




It's much easier than it seems. You can make a solar farm pretty easily.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Seanfu]
    #14096895 - 03/10/11 09:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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1tokeovrtheline said:
yeah, I've been thinking about that lately. It's difficult to trip all the time or be very enlightened and actually have a "normal" life after you see the pointlessness and bullshit of most of society. I mean I'll work and go to school and everything, but I'm not trying to become a CEO or anything, just seems like a waste of time that won't be as fulfilling as you think it will. At the same time you can feel a little disconnected from people-like yesterday I was talking about dmt to some old stoner friends and they got really quiet like "are you fuckin crazy? fuck that"

Thats why the entheogenic community is so important though. It reminds me of a story where buddha is meditating with another monk who says "Buddha, it seems to me that the Sangha (buddhist community roughly) is at least half the holy life" and buddha replies "Friend, it is the entire holy life!".




QFT.
I want to one day do what MOTH did and leave everything for a eco community. But it is such a giant step and it would basically be the end of my life as I know lol




It's much easier than it seems. You can make a solar farm pretty easily.




Next year, after I have finished my degree, I am going to head off there for a month and see what happens..


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Seanfu]
    #14099064 - 03/10/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Great cartoon and it explains my conclusions about the psychedelic experience.  There is nothing that I can possibly do with it to make it useful, incorporate it into my life, integrate it, or provide any insight into my existence.  It's just a dream and I treat it as such.  Anything more and I'd be adopting and/or creating my own religion based on drug induced mindfucks.  It's great fucking entertainment as it twists your logic, pumps imagination full of life, and presses buttons and pulls levers in your brain.




Really? So there i no psychological gain from tripping? I would say that is usefull enough.

Also, I would say tripping and getting that good old brain reboot is pretty useful when it comes to understanding the pointless things in life we spend time on. I raarely feel okay abut spending hours on video games anymore. I feel much more inclined to learn on my own as well.





That's cool, Seanfu, that you can extract some meaning from your trips and use it as a tool to reboot.  I never understood the concept of reboot and unfortunately my "revelations" lose their significance and connections to reality soon afterwards.  It's cool, I still enjoy tripping very much and as long as it doesn't hurt me, I'll keep doing it.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: joemolloy]
    #14099070 - 03/10/11 04:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You realize the lack of integration is 100% your fault, correct?

Just making sure you're aware.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14099315 - 03/10/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You realize the lack of integration is 100% your fault, correct?

Just making sure you're aware.




You realize that I think integration is bullshit, rationalizations used to continue taking these drugs.  There is nothing psychedelics have revealed to me about myself that I already didn't know.  And the otherwordly wacky shit like multi-titted aliens in my shower or the time I morphed into the sphinx on my bedroom floor is too far out there for any sort of integration.  If I were to integrate that shit, I'd be an even stranger fuck than I already am.  I'd be feeding delusions, creating my own narcissistic religion, and throwing all rational, critical minded logic to the wind.  Perhaps if I were born in the Amazon, I'd use this shit to help understand reality and my place in it, but it confuses and fogs and hides reality rather than clarifying anything.

If you find meaning in your trips and they improve your life, then I am happy for you.  These drugs are seductive and sometimes I feel that the smarter and more intellectual the users are, the more susceptible they are to constructing a bullshit drug based reality.

Or maybe I have it all wrong and I refuse to accept the Truth, but I doubt it.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14099377 - 03/10/11 05:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You realize the lack of integration is 100% your fault, correct?

Just making sure you're aware.




I wouldn't consider that a "fault".. it's just how he chooses to view the psychedelic experience.

I believe there is a lot to be learned from the psychedelic experience and I do try to integrate some of these concepts into my normal waking life.  However, there's no need to bash someone for their view; it seems like what you've learned from these experiences is quite a bit different from what I have integrated.  :crazy2:


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Cynosure]
    #14099748 - 03/10/11 06:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My bad I still forget people dont have experience like I do. I've never been a cat or soaped up an aliens back, but I have felt a sense of cosmic bliss and a sense that everything is perfect exactly where you are and all other aspects of metaphysical well being.

Not that out of this world to want to accept that into every day life.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14102098 - 03/11/11 01:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think its important to realize that psychedelics don't cause any spiritual thing on their own, at least imo-I mean some people consider it a holy sacrament with mystical powers and stuff, but I think the research (although its sadly limited) shows that it increases awareness and takes you into your subconscious in a way, and maybe if you don't really feel much "spiritually" then you might just have a pretty sound conscience, or maybe its just the setting you do it in. Obviously dropping acid and watching cartoons isn't going to be the same as if you did a legitimate therapy session with a psychedelic, which could serve for a catalyst for improvement. I personally think we need to stop focusing so damn much on the politics and legalization, and first focus on getting some more new quality research out there, and base our drug laws on good science


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Azure Essence]
    #14102598 - 03/11/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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My bad I still forget people dont have experience like I do. I've never been a cat or soaped up an aliens back, but I have felt a sense of cosmic bliss and a sense that everything is perfect exactly where you are and all other aspects of metaphysical well being.

Not that out of this world to want to accept that into every day life.





I get what your saying.  Those psycho-analytic trips that seem like talking therapy where you see your life from different perspectives can be useful for some.  I'm already pretty introspective as it is, am well versed in psychology and motivations so these types of trips never really gave me any deeper understanding of myself.

Those multi-titted things in the shower were the onset of a bad trip.  After I got out, the whole of time and space seemed to be converging on that moment.  It was as if the Big Bang was created and waiting for that distinct moment in time.  All I remember is laying down and my head just exploded.  Thoughts and ideas shattered and slammed into each other and I was trying to put it back together.  I was Humpty fucking Dumpty on DMT for four hours.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14103063 - 03/11/11 09:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think its important to realize that psychedelics don't cause any spiritual thing on their own, at least imo




Mushrooms certainly cause mystical/spiritual type experiences (delusions/psychosis - call it what you want) at the right dosage. It's not a subtle effect that requires an "open mind" or new age sensibilities to appreciate, it seems to be a pretty specific (although poorly understood) biochemical property of how the drug operates in the brain.

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Obviously not everybody experiences the same kind of trips, and the exact effect will depend on your cultural/personal background, but with a healthy dose of mushrooms I can go from being an athiest to getting a very concrete "fear of God" experience that would scare the shit out of me if I was genuinely religious in normal life.

Quite honestly I prefer my trips to be more along the lines of aliens, giant lizards and spaceships, but the mushrooms seem to have the attitude of "fuck you, I don't care what you want, here's another death/God trip for you."

And they tell me DMT is stronger? Jesus. That's like watching the first hydrogen bomb test and turning around and asking "Hmmm, do you have anything more powerful?"

Personally, I'm not taking these drugs to "find" some state of spiritual ecstasy or "oneness" with God. It's been found. It's very nice, although temporary. It's like sailing on a journey to find the new world, finding the new world, then the new world disappears after a few hours, you sail home again, and then set out to find the new world again. It takes a few times to realise that although the the experience is ineffable, it's infinitely repeatable.

That's when you get to the problem posed in the comic-strip. So you've experienced some kind of spiritual journey/epiphany. Great. But you seem to be back to square one. Your trip is not going to feed the hungry or pay the mortgage. It's a beautiful and worthwhile experience, but it's difficult to directly apply it to everyday problems except in small, subtle ways. Maybe the small, subtle changes are the way forward?

I don't think this is really a "problem" with psychedelics unless you believe that there really is an "answer" to be discovered within them that is going to solve all your problems. You can take mushrooms with the intention of seeking some "sign from God" and the hilarious thing is that you might actually get it. But then what?


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: ThePhilosophizer]
    #14103244 - 03/11/11 10:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: akira_akuma]
    #14103588 - 03/11/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

of course psychedelics aren't going to reveal anything about yourself that you don't know. how can you not know something about yourself? that's a pretty weak basis from which to refute the richness and importance of the psychedelic experience.

however, it is not a magic bullet, and it's troublesome to see some fall into the trap of believing they are of some higher order from having had these experiences.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: millzy]
    #14103610 - 03/11/11 11:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Funnily enough my English class has been discussing Plato's Allegory of the Cave which I feel GREATLY ties in with this. As is the case of shamans and psychonauts, they have been freed from their cave... yet who will listen and not deem them madman? "o ya i chilled in the astral plane once and become one with the universe, ive seen reality" will not be taken seriously by most. I actually brought this up in class 2 hours ago (in my multimedia class now)


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14103630 - 03/11/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why can't I just grow my own food, have parties in fields with music, food and friends.

On weekends I can eat my mushrooms I have been growing to make the evenings that much more special. No everday grind, no imposed morals or values other than don't steal or kill anybody, lots of music, lots of dancing, entheogens and meditation. Healthcare insurance? Fuck that, healthy mind healthy body. I would rather live 35 years of awesome than 80 years of meh.

Am i really asking for too much here?


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: millzy]
    #14103665 - 03/11/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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of course psychedelics aren't going to reveal anything about yourself that you don't know. how can you not know something about yourself? that's a pretty weak basis from which to refute the richness and importance of the psychedelic experience.

however, it is not a magic bullet, and it's troublesome to see some fall into the trap of believing they are of some higher order from having had these experiences.




You say the experience has richness and importance.  How is it important?


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: joemolloy]
    #14103692 - 03/11/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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of course psychedelics aren't going to reveal anything about yourself that you don't know. how can you not know something about yourself? that's a pretty weak basis from which to refute the richness and importance of the psychedelic experience.

however, it is not a magic bullet, and it's troublesome to see some fall into the trap of believing they are of some higher order from having had these experiences.




You say the experience has richness and importance.  How is it important?




it's as rich and important as you, or anyone else, deems it to be. it isn't for everyone and mileage may vary.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Aldebaran]
    #14103897 - 03/11/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think its important to realize that psychedelics don't cause any spiritual thing on their own, at least imo




Mushrooms certainly cause mystical/spiritual type experiences (delusions/psychosis - call it what you want) at the right dosage. It's not a subtle effect that requires an "open mind" or new age sensibilities to appreciate, it seems to be a pretty specific (although poorly understood) biochemical property of how the drug operates in the brain.

HOPKINS SCIENTISTS SHOW HALLUCINOGEN IN MUSHROOMS CREATES UNIVERSAL “MYSTICAL” EXPERIENCE

Obviously not everybody experiences the same kind of trips, and the exact effect will depend on your cultural/personal background, but with a healthy dose of mushrooms I can go from being an athiest to getting a very concrete "fear of God" experience that would scare the shit out of me if I was genuinely religious in normal life.

Quite honestly I prefer my trips to be more along the lines of aliens, giant lizards and spaceships, but the mushrooms seem to have the attitude of "fuck you, I don't care what you want, here's another death/God trip for you."

And they tell me DMT is stronger? Jesus. That's like watching the first hydrogen bomb test and turning around and asking "Hmmm, do you have anything more powerful?"

Personally, I'm not taking these drugs to "find" some state of spiritual ecstasy or "oneness" with God. It's been found. It's very nice, although temporary. It's like sailing on a journey to find the new world, finding the new world, then the new world disappears after a few hours, you sail home again, and then set out to find the new world again. It takes a few times to realise that although the the experience is ineffable, it's infinitely repeatable.

That's when you get to the problem posed in the comic-strip. So you've experienced some kind of spiritual journey/epiphany. Great. But you seem to be back to square one. Your trip is not going to feed the hungry or pay the mortgage. It's a beautiful and worthwhile experience, but it's difficult to directly apply it to everyday problems except in small, subtle ways. Maybe the small, subtle changes are the way forward?

I don't think this is really a "problem" with psychedelics unless you believe that there really is an "answer" to be discovered within them that is going to solve all your problems. You can take mushrooms with the intention of seeking some "sign from God" and the hilarious thing is that you might actually get it. But then what?





I just meant they are not, imo, some kind of holy manna magical eucharist thing. They have neurological action in the brain which produces these effects, not thesophistic powers


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: millzy]
    #14104787 - 03/11/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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of course psychedelics aren't going to reveal anything about yourself that you don't know. how can you not know something about yourself? that's a pretty weak basis from which to refute the richness and importance of the psychedelic experience.

however, it is not a magic bullet, and it's troublesome to see some fall into the trap of believing they are of some higher order from having had these experiences.




Yes, many do not know themselves. In order to know yourself you need to be honest egotistically, that is a decently uncommon trait.

If you pay attention to your dreams you can get similar knowledge.

Who is to say you are not having spiritual experiences though anyway? I would imagine if you believe in a collective unconscious etc that being more in touch with your subconscious in any way shape or form could be considering broad definitions of spirituality. I expect those who would say psyches can't give you a spiritual experience would be almost exclusively the type who are Atheists anyway.

So saying something wont give you a spiritual experience isn't saying anything special.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Seanfu]
    #14105105 - 03/11/11 05:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's all in the mind.  Yours is one way, mine's one, his another.  My mind's gotten enormous help from psychedelia.  Doesn't mean someone else's hasn't.  I think anyone who wouldn't get much must already be pretty zen, though.  And personally I'd say the effects themselves are enlightening, in that they show me what my mind is capable of with the slightest manipulation.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Seanfu]
    #14105592 - 03/11/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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of course psychedelics aren't going to reveal anything about yourself that you don't know. how can you not know something about yourself? that's a pretty weak basis from which to refute the richness and importance of the psychedelic experience.

however, it is not a magic bullet, and it's troublesome to see some fall into the trap of believing they are of some higher order from having had these experiences.




Yes, many do not know themselves. In order to know yourself you need to be honest egotistically, that is a decently uncommon trait.

If you pay attention to your dreams you can get similar knowledge.

Who is to say you are not having spiritual experiences though anyway? I would imagine if you believe in a collective unconscious etc that being more in touch with your subconscious in any way shape or form could be considering broad definitions of spirituality. I expect those who would say psyches can't give you a spiritual experience would be almost exclusively the type who are Atheists anyway.

So saying something wont give you a spiritual experience isn't saying anything special.




i'm not sure if you're contending with me or agreeing with me, but to clarify, i wasn't saying that psychedelics can't and don't induce "spiritual" experiences, just that, like everything else in life, the experience is what you make of it. that's not saying it isn't there, but you must take notice of it for it to apply. if you're completely close minded to that sort of thing, or are a moron, or both, you won't look at taking any psychedelic in that way. and that's fine. it's neither here nor there because psychedelics aren't an exclusive club imo. i think the bottom line with this stuff is if you're being safe and it makes your life better (even by just having fun), then that's okay too.

and beyond that, if you're trying to make every single psychedelic experience some soul searching, mystical endeavor, then chances are you're going to be disappointed 99% of the time. the inverse of people not looking deep enough into the experience is trying way, way too hard imo. i know a few guys who, quite frankly, have taken the fun out of drugs. i'm not even sure how anyone can do that but these guys have. sorry, i don't get it. i soak up my little moments of truth when they happen and rock n roll in the meantime. consequently, above anything else, i typically have a great time.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: millzy]
    #14105775 - 03/11/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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of course psychedelics aren't going to reveal anything about yourself that you don't know. how can you not know something about yourself? that's a pretty weak basis from which to refute the richness and importance of the psychedelic experience.

however, it is not a magic bullet, and it's troublesome to see some fall into the trap of believing they are of some higher order from having had these experiences.




Yes, many do not know themselves. In order to know yourself you need to be honest egotistically, that is a decently uncommon trait.

If you pay attention to your dreams you can get similar knowledge.

Who is to say you are not having spiritual experiences though anyway? I would imagine if you believe in a collective unconscious etc that being more in touch with your subconscious in any way shape or form could be considering broad definitions of spirituality. I expect those who would say psyches can't give you a spiritual experience would be almost exclusively the type who are Atheists anyway.

So saying something wont give you a spiritual experience isn't saying anything special.




i'm not sure if you're contending with me or agreeing with me, but to clarify, i wasn't saying that psychedelics can't and don't induce "spiritual" experiences, just that, like everything else in life, the experience is what you make of it. that's not saying it isn't there, but you must take notice of it for it to apply. if you're completely close minded to that sort of thing, or are a moron, or both, you won't look at taking any psychedelic in that way. and that's fine. it's neither here nor there because psychedelics aren't an exclusive club imo. i think the bottom line with this stuff is if you're being safe and it makes your life better (even by just having fun), then that's okay too.

and beyond that, if you're trying to make every single psychedelic experience some soul searching, mystical endeavor, then chances are you're going to be disappointed 99% of the time. the inverse of people not looking deep enough into the experience is trying way, way too hard imo. i know a few guys who, quite frankly, have taken the fun out of drugs. i'm not even sure how anyone can do that but these guys have. sorry, i don't get it. i soak up my little moments of truth when they happen and rock n roll in the meantime. consequently, above anything else, i typically have a great time.




It was a contention. But it is a contention saying a subconscious journey of any kind is a spiritual journey by loose definition. If of coarse you can accept any level of spirituality.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Seanfu]
    #14105905 - 03/11/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i'm still unclear as to how that was contending my statement, but okay. :smile:


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: millzy]
    #14105931 - 03/11/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i'm still unclear as to how that was contending my statement, but okay. :smile:




You were saying that we do not have spiritual experiences from psychedelics. Right?


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Seanfu]
    #14106724 - 03/11/11 11:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

For society in general I think there is the culture of building an almost false reality, and to test the boundaries of ones perception of that reality seems almost insulting to people or that you are insane.

For tripping I have had trips just for visuals and others that have changed the way I truely see things and view the word. I like both and gear trips for them. I'm hoping to take a solo trip soon and do a good soul searching and do a mental defrag. By removing us from our normal though pattern I think we are allowed an opportunity to think of things outside our normal box.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Seanfu]
    #14107888 - 03/12/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i'm still unclear as to how that was contending my statement, but okay. :smile:




You were saying that we do not have spiritual experiences from psychedelics. Right?




no, i wasn't saying that at all. i said that the spiritual aspect of psychedelics is all a matter of perspective. some people don't view the experience as spiritual, for whatever reason. even if taking psychedelics just amounts to having fun with your friends and looking at visuals, that's okay as long as you're playing it safe.

i think it's great that people can have spiritual experiences on psychedelics. i certainly have had my fair share. that doesn't make me superior to someone who just doesn't even care about that side of psychedelics. bottom line is the experience is what it is regardless of however people categorize it. like i said, it's what you make of it.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: mundane]
    #14107923 - 03/12/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's all in the mind.  Yours is one way, mine's one, his another.




What about oneness?  Assuming this is some knowledge you receive from the psychedelic experience, isn't your mind just my mind? :crazy2:


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: Cynosure]
    #14109137 - 03/12/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

this thread was very interesting for me to read, it is just what i was looking for.  i agree with everyone that shared their view here.  there is something inspirational to see that psychedelics generally teach us many of the same lessons and views on life.  too bad they aren't a requirement somehow.

i wonder what difference there would be between 2 nations: nation A is only people that generally have negative reactions on psychedelics, and nation B is people that generally have positive insightful/meaningful experiences on psychedelics.

would one be a more prosperous and beautiful place to live?  if so, which would it be?

ps.  i did leave society as soon as i could.  once i had enough savings for $3000/yr of basic bulk supplies for the rest of my life ($100,000), i left the world for a life of homesteading.  my only tool of the modern world is an internet connection.  and it is all great, except i wish i had some similarly minded neighbors within a few miles.  there is a greater degree of danger in being responsible for ones self, because if you get in trouble, there's nobody to help you, and you have to be your own doctor, dentist, etc.

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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: i18rabbit]
    #14109210 - 03/12/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the way i see psychedelics is that the change in neurotransmitters within the synapses alters the general frequencies of neurological messaging, which is much like turning the dial on a radio.  it is not less real or more real that the ordinary state, it's just perception at another frequency.  just as things look different with an infra-red or x-ray image.

and the soul profits from experiences on various frequencies.  each has something to reveal that can't be seen on other frequencies.


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Re: One Big Problem with Psychedelia and/or Enlightenment [Re: i18rabbit]
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i wonder what difference there would be between 2 nations: nation A is only people that generally have negative reactions on psychedelics, and nation B is people that generally have positive insightful/meaningful experiences on psychedelics.







When I was kid in high school and I'd trip, my trips were pure recreation.  All of my friends too, we'd trip all the time and none of us had any notion of spirituality, mysticism, or the psycho-therapeutic effects of these drugs.  This was before the internet and no one ever presented those ideas to us.

Fast forward to internet time with sites like the shroomery and Terence Mckenna MP3 files and other psychedelic centered resources.  After reading all this shit, my trips began to take a spiritual turn and after reading about Buddhist enlightenment, I'd experience that.  And so on.  In my experience, the drugs amplify what's kicking around your head.  Rather than showing you some objective window into somewhere, I feel it shows a circus sideshow version where internal and external buttfuck each other and cum in the form of your peak.


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