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What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT?
    #14088013 - 03/08/11 05:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You never really hear about really old people doing drugs that often.  At least I don't. 

Would it fuck with the old person's body and harm them for the (relatively speaking) longterm?
What about their mind?  Old people are very set in their ways, maybe a drastic intellectual context switch can harm them mentally?

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    #14088053 - 03/08/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: coreysan]
    #14088092 - 03/08/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Kind of related. Here is a newspaper article about a 60 year old substitute teacher getting her coffee dosed with LSD unknowingly by a student.

November 12, 1981 - Utica Daily Press NY



Also, Aldous Huxley had 200 micrograms of LSD (split in two 100ug doses) in his dying hours in his 60s.

Timothy Leary I'm almost positive used different psychedelics late in his life. But he had been pretty out there for a number of years so it wasn't anything new to him I'm sure.

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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: Best]
    #14088134 - 03/08/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My dad is 66 and I gave him some pharmahuasca (200mg of harmalas and 110mg of DMT freebase).  My mom and him were on the verge of divorce and it was a last ditch effort to have him deal with his inner demons.  This is a man who has never tripped, not smoked weed in 40 years, or done any other drugs. 

I must be a persuasive fucker to convince my parents that this was a good idea.

He went fucking nuts and was writhing on the bed like a madman.  His eyeballs were literally popping out of his head and he said I had to be fucking nuts to take this shit for fun.  Anyway, he fought the trip and refused to allow it to open his mind and emotions.  He has shit buried deep down and even DMT couldn't shake it loose.  Looking back on it, it was pretty funny and a memory that I will NEVER forget.

A few weeks later I gave him 3.5 grams of Golden Teachers.  That shit barely did anything to him.  He easily shrugged it off and was even arguing with us about shit on it. 

There were no cosmic connections, no revelations, nothing functional or relevant that came out of these experiences.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14088326 - 03/08/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ask willie nelson? pushing 78.

the johns-hopkins psilocybin studies had some older people, and the grob ones with dying people: sorta old. plenty of ayahuasca drinkers are old. maria sabina? was old.

i'm 45 in a couple days, started only a few years back. works good for me! if anything, the sensation of "where have you been all my life?!" intensifies the appreciation. i tend to think that my life experiences -- growing up, traveling, school, marriage, career, parenthood etc. -- root me securely enough that i can make more of these powerful experiences than i could have as a young guy.

what happens when you water an old dry tree?

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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14088387 - 03/08/11 07:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I always view old people as extremely wise. As in, throughout their years they have discovered so much about themselves and the world, the same reason I use psychedelics. If one were to enter the psychedelic experience for the first time with a great deal of wisdom, I could only imagine what discoveries they could make.

If the older person is still mentally sharp I think they would benefit greatly from trying them. If they're not sharp and slipping mentally that is. Who knows, maybe their day-to-day life is already as if they are under the influence of psychedelics, we've all heard stories of old people talking to people who aren't there. I'd imagine having dementia is kind of like psychedelics except it never ends and the affected person has no idea what is going on.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: otherwhitemeat]
    #14088423 - 03/08/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

next year I'll be 60
acid and shrooms are lovely things.
not so easy to locate, but not very hard on my body or mind.
mind candy
I feel a bit tired starting 24 hours after taking it (usually 3-6 PM)

I have no problem with blood pressure or heart rate no significant sugar or cholesterol (high but both high so OK) psuchs are safe for people like me.

I would not want to give it to at least 2/3 of the people I know and the rest are mostly not interested.
I often trip (lightly) in family situations at the end of a work week.

some people know some don't no big deal.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #14090431 - 03/09/11 12:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the feedback guys!

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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14090756 - 03/09/11 03:02 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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joemolloy said:
My dad is 66 and I gave him some pharmahuasca (200mg of harmalas and 110mg of DMT freebase).  My mom and him were on the verge of divorce and it was a last ditch effort to have him deal with his inner demons.  This is a man who has never tripped, not smoked weed in 40 years, or done any other drugs. 

I must be a persuasive fucker to convince my parents that this was a good idea.

He went fucking nuts and was writhing on the bed like a madman.  His eyeballs were literally popping out of his head and he said I had to be fucking nuts to take this shit for fun.  Anyway, he fought the trip and refused to allow it to open his mind and emotions.  He has shit buried deep down and even DMT couldn't shake it loose.  Looking back on it, it was pretty funny and a memory that I will NEVER forget.

A few weeks later I gave him 3.5 grams of Golden Teachers.  That shit barely did anything to him.  He easily shrugged it off and was even arguing with us about shit on it. 

There were no cosmic connections, no revelations, nothing functional or relevant that came out of these experiences.




Are you being serious? I thought you saw psychedelics just like any other drugs; they get you high and that's about it...

I don't really get it, unless you're talking about the past and your views then didn't resemble those now.

Just interested!


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: Evolution]
    #14090768 - 03/09/11 03:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'd been talking about my drug usage with my parents for a while and gradually centered their opinions on psychedelics.  My mom was watching a news story about MDMA therapy and other psychedelic research and started reading about its utility in counseling and dealing with repressed emotions.  I figured it was worth a shot. Although I have never had personal revelations on these drugs that I did not already know, I believe there's potential that in altered states people can access hidden compartments of themselves.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14090878 - 03/09/11 04:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are you really being serious? Because the answers you give in this thread contradict the posts in other threads.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a jackass, but these posts just surprise me.

Personally I don't belief psychedelics are the road to some sort ultimate knowledge about myself and the world, but I do believe these substances have the potential to confront me with myself (conscious and unconscious) and give me perspectives which I can later integrate into my life.

I dare to say psychedelics have changed me in a positive way. My most uncomfortable and terrifying trips have been the most valuable in retrospect.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: Evolution]
    #14090968 - 03/09/11 05:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm 60 later this year and I view its entheogenic benefits as the goal.  I still would not put synthetic chemicals into my body but shrooms are cool.  I cultivate my own for my own use only and all is fine.

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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: Evolution]
    #14091040 - 03/09/11 06:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Evolution said:
Are you really being serious? Because the answers you give in this thread contradict the posts in other threads.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be a jackass, but these posts just surprise me.

Personally I don't belief psychedelics are the road to some sort ultimate knowledge about myself and the world, but I do believe these substances have the potential to confront me with myself (conscious and unconscious) and give me perspectives which I can later integrate into my life.

I dare to say psychedelics have changed me in a positive way. My most uncomfortable and terrifying trips have been the most valuable in retrospect.




I don't see any contradiction.  Psychedelics and other drugs have been used for therapy and although I don't use them personally for that purpose, I would be happy if others, my father specifically, benefited. I actually wish I had MDMA to give my father, but had no access to it.

I still stand firm, DMT is bullshit.  Believe it at your own risk because tie-dye shirts, shaggy hair, and 2012 just might be in your future.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14091044 - 03/09/11 06:15 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I still stand firm, DMT is bullshit.  Believe it at your own risk because tie-dye shirts, shaggy hair, and 2012 just might be in your future.




And my now father thinks so too...


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14091149 - 03/09/11 07:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I smoked my 65 year old neighbor out with DMT and he was speechless. :ooo: When he regained his ability to talk he told me that it reminded him of his mega-dose acid trips that he had back in the 70's. He loved it and tried it a couple more times while it was available. Sometimes he says he can smell it randomly like when walking in his garden or watching tv and it reminds him of the experience.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: joemolloy]
    #14091173 - 03/09/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

well if your father says it then...
there really is no reason to believe otherwise

wish I could get my dad to take dmt

edit: spellbound

Edited by Ferdinando (03/09/11 11:51 AM)

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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: Ferdinando]
    #14091249 - 03/09/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

have you every seen little miss sunshine? the grandpa gets kicked out of his retirement home for doing heroin lol
When I'm old I'm going all out, I envision going out like an amateur shulgin, just going all out setting up a quality lab and grow rooms, just experimenting all the time, cuz I mean if you're retired and sitting around all the time, then fuck it dude! thats the best time to experiment

it makes me actually kind of look forward to retiring and becoming an old geezer lol


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: 1tokeovrtheline]
    #14091263 - 03/09/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm in my 50s and enjoy reaching the other side on occasion.

I hope to eat a bunch of shrooms on my 100th birthday, if I make it that far. 

If I croak before 100, at least I have an idea of how the transition should feel (at least my view of how it should feel).

I'd bet there's a lot of aging hippies that still get buzzed in their 60s, 70s and on.


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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: LanLord]
    #14091407 - 03/09/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i think the difference is if the elderly person seeks these substances and experiences out for themselves rather than being fed them by someone else.

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Re: What would happen if an old person (70, 80, or even 90 years old) took Shrooms / DMT? [Re: sporophight]
    #14091538 - 03/09/11 09:37 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i think the difference is if the elderly person seeks these substances and experiences out for themselves rather than being fed them by someone else.



I think that would hold true for people of any age.

I cannot imagine how I would have felt if I was completely uninitiated and unprepared and started tripping on vitamin L or P one day.  That would be perhaps one of the most frightening experiences I can imagine.

I would probably be a psycho case now (not that I'm not now, but I be more of one).


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