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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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Humans are naturally social animals.
    #14087780 - 03/08/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can see that there is good evidence that suggest this.

However, what is the measure of such a claim?

Is a human being social, meaning that human beings thrive and maintain a higher level of happiness socially?

Is this strictly based on survival?

I do not agree however, with the fact that we thrive in social groups/thriver when we are a part of one.

I have been a avid social grouptster for quite a long time. I notice that in retrospect, being in large groups/part of a network of friends goes against my efforts in maintaining the type of attitude that makes me happy.

I see huge downfalls and recognize that a lot of peoples problems seem to stem from the idea that they should have a social network of friends. They almost come off as having an urgency to be surrounded by more than 2 people at a time. It's almost religious. However, like most religious morality, it seems to cause more stress to full fill. 

Has anyone else found any of this to be fact?


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14087802 - 03/08/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Being social can mean only your partner.

Or your dog.

Very few are an island.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Icelander]
    #14087938 - 03/08/11 05:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Being social usually means groups in my POV. It was being used that way in my post as well.

So you would say it is a basic nessecity for humans to thrive in a group or not?


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: AlphaFalfa] * 1
    #14087949 - 03/08/11 05:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

no,  but we are social animals.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14088268 - 03/08/11 06:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
I can see that there is good evidence that suggest this.

However, what is the measure of such a claim?

Is a human being social, meaning that human beings thrive and maintain a higher level of happiness socially?

Is this strictly based on survival?


Humans are social because they socialize with each other; whether or not they thrive on being social is irrelevant to whether or not they are actually social.


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AlphaFalfa said:
I do not agree however, with the fact that we thrive in social groups/thriver when we are a part of one.

I have been a avid social grouptster for quite a long time. I notice that in retrospect, being in large groups/part of a network of friends goes against my efforts in maintaining the type of attitude that makes me happy.

I see huge downfalls and recognize that a lot of peoples problems seem to stem from the idea that they should have a social network of friends. They almost come off as having an urgency to be surrounded by more than 2 people at a time. It's almost religious. However, like most religious morality, it seems to cause more stress to full fill. 

Has anyone else found any of this to be fact?


I think there are many reasons to why people behave this way, but I think it mostly stems from our competitive nature and insecurity; humans generally strive to be at the to of the pack, and generally having a lot of friends gives a person a lot of opportunity to compete for that position. Many people see others with lots of friends, and this can make them feel insecure about themselves, which can further result in them wanting to make a lot of friends.


You describe how you don't feel comfortable when in a large group, and how some don't feel comfortable unless they are surrounded by more than two people at a time; IMO, there isn't really a fundamental difference between these two behaviors because they are both examples of how people behave when they're not in their comfort zones.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid]
    #14089324 - 03/08/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Not all humans are social, introverts thrive when they are alone. Not to say that they lack social skills, they might have them but being in social situations for long periods of time drains them. Having friends would mean nothing to someone who would prefer to explore the inner workings of their mind.

Being social for me is developing relationships with people. Simply having a lot of friends is something that many people seek out, but it's very unsatisfying for me to have lots of friends with meaningless experiences or conversation.

Biologically speaking, humans are social for the same reasons that most species of animals are. They get together instinctively to get food, water, and to migrate, all of which are safer done while in groups. The actual act of socializing by communication (noises or body language) is obviously an important biological characteristic since most animals have some way of communicating with one another. We must act together in groups, large or small, to accomplish survival. We rely on socializing with other individuals to go through everyday tasks, although I do believe that humans could go without socializing and still survive in this age, it would just be difficult. But we must recognize what socializing has brought us, I wouldn't be typing this post if a group of individuals didn't gather together to create a device to allow it to happen. Extrapolate from there and you can see what humanity's socializing brought us.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: irie.one]
    #14089480 - 03/08/11 10:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Not all humans are social, introverts thrive when they are alone.


The conditions that a person thrives in doesn't affect the fact that they are social animals; even introverts socialize at least a little bit, and live in communities with other humans.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14089501 - 03/08/11 10:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Im an introvert and even tho I talk to you, I loath every second of it.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Kickle]
    #14089643 - 03/08/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Go on, tell me more. :smirk:


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid]
    #14089683 - 03/08/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, sometimes it feels like I'm rolling in fresh pig shit that has been mixed with mud and then I have the pressure from above of a trough filled with fresh slop provided by the God fearing farmer, andrewss.

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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid]
    #14089712 - 03/08/11 10:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Not all humans are social, introverts thrive when they are alone.


The conditions that a person thrives in doesn't affect the fact that they are social animals; even introverts socialize at least a little bit, and live in communities with other humans.




This is very true, as I addressed further in my post. I suppose it's the natural tendency of an introvert to avoid socialization in order to stay within their comfort zone versus those of us who are in a comfort zone while socializing. We all need to venture out of our social comfort zones in some way, since it's difficult to either be socializing all the time or in the case of an introvert be void of socialization at all times.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #14089767 - 03/08/11 10:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, sometimes it feels like I'm rolling in fresh pig shit that has been mixed with mud and then I have the pressure from above of a trough filled with fresh slop provided by the God fearing farmer, andrewss.


They say that andrewss can plant a mean seed...:Awemazing:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid]
    #14089787 - 03/08/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

You would know, filth!


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Kickle]
    #14089955 - 03/08/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:hillbilly:


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid]
    #14090866 - 03/09/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hello

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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: acid tab]
    #14090880 - 03/09/11 04:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, what's up man? :smile2:


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid]
    #14090988 - 03/09/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I agree that humans are naturally social animals but our vanity and self importance stays in the way of our being very good at it IMO.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14091009 - 03/09/11 05:55 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What would being very good at it entail IYO?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14091010 - 03/09/11 05:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree that humans are naturally social animals but our vanity and self importance stays in the way of our being very good at it IMO.




I would disagree, vanity and self-importance are traits that are projected during social situations in order to create an interest by other members of the group. It gets the attention of others when someone is vain and puts extra effort into their clothing style and hair do, and when they hold them self to a high level of self-importance they are probably responding to the interaction in a way that shows off their accomplishments, which could possibly add gain to their success in an interaction (or harm it if they come off as bragging, which would mean that they are not good at this type of interaction). Think about the well-dressed muscle man with no personality who always seems to have a gorgeous girl on his arm, a match that probably happened during an interaction where the man impressed the women with his clothing and sense of style and his other good looks, and impressed her by telling her some things about himself because he thinks he's an important fella. Of course it says nothing of the personalities of the man or women, which I do think is a more important characteristic for humans to possess for successful interactions, especially with like-minded individuals.


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Re: Humans are naturally social animals. [Re: Poid]
    #14091012 - 03/09/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

More physical contact would be part of it, if you notice humans are the only animals that keep such distance from each other. Not saying I could even live up to it, seems the rot is in everyone regardless of whether they like it or not. Also people can be very standoffish with one another.

Basically there's not enough peace and lurve man. :hippie:


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