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Do thoughts have innate power?
#14089670 - 03/08/11 10:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Modern psychology has taken a great interest in the thought-behavior relationship and how thoughts rarely reflect reality yet influence behavior all the same. And how when examined, we often see thoughts for the bullshit they are.
And this got me wondering: Are thoughts innately powerful? Do they have a force? A strength? Or is it something that is provided to them?
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle] 1
#14089707 - 03/08/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do they have a force? A strength?
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Do they have a force? A strength?
No.

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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Icelander]
#14089750 - 03/08/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Where does their influence come from then?
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Icelander]
#14089791 - 03/08/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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They don't have a physical strength but they have strength in forming who we are as individuals and guiding us in the path of life we choose. For the right person, thoughts can reflect reality if they act on those thoughts to shape who they are. Thus, we give them strength by acting on them. Without action a thought is simply an internal creation of the mind left to end in the same place where it began. Their influence comes from the fabric of our being, and who we are influences those thoughts greatly. It's a constant cycle; our thoughts shape who we are and we shape who we are by our thoughts.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14089809 - 03/08/11 10:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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what? of course they have a force. Thoughts are energy and movement in the mind. Whatever you direct your thoughts towards is what you manifest in your life. They're the lines of code in your operating system.
I guess I should add though that their force is only present when you energize them with your attention. If you don't pay attention to thoughts, then they are powerless to affect you. So, their energy is not innate. But when thought is present as intellect (when the beingness is consciously in the mind), then it is very powerful indeed and is what shapes our entire reality. imo? that really doesn't seem like an opinion but i'll tack that on there
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: irie.one]
#14089811 - 03/08/11 10:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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What makes thoughts different than, say, gravity? For all I can tell gravity doesn't exist physically but it sure influences the physical as a force.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14089825 - 03/08/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: Are thoughts innately powerful? Do they have a force? A strength?
I don't think thoughts have a force, as the term is understood in physics, but they do have an influence over the behavior of our bodies. I think thoughts can have strength in the sense that they are either powerful at influencing our behavior, or not.
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Kickle said: Or is it something that is provided to them?
I'm not sure why you're making this out to be an either-or type of thing; I think thoughts are provided with lots of things, like sensory perceptions for example, and I don't think this means that they can't have power/force/strength.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: g00ru]
#14089833 - 03/08/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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guruu said: So, their energy is not innate.
Then where does the force come from?
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14089835 - 03/08/11 10:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: What makes thoughts different than, say, gravity? For all I can tell gravity doesn't exist physically but it sure influences the physical as a force.
Gravity does exist physically, it's part of the study of physics, and the fact that you are sitting down serves as proof of it's existence. Thoughts don't have a physical force but can serve to influence us in physical actions, if you want to go that route.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle] 1
#14089838 - 03/08/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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guruu said: So, their energy is not innate.
Then where does the force come from?
our attention to them
attention=power
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14089844 - 03/08/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: For all I can tell gravity doesn't exist physically...
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Gravity is a physical force, and many scientists today believe that it's caused by gravitons.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Poid]
#14089847 - 03/08/11 10:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: I'm not sure why you're making this out to be an either-or type of thing; I think thoughts are provided with lots of things, like sensory perceptions for example, and I don't think this means that they can't have power/force/strength.
Well, generally, it's either an innate quality or a quality granted. I'm just curious which it is. Because as far as I can tell, thoughts move people to do all sorts of things. So I'm wondering if it's the thoughts moving people because that's what they naturally do, or if there is an additional component needed.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14089870 - 03/08/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: I'm not sure why you're making this out to be an either-or type of thing; I think thoughts are provided with lots of things, like sensory perceptions for example, and I don't think this means that they can't have power/force/strength.
Well, generally, it's either an innate quality or a quality granted. I'm just curious which it is. Because as far as I can tell, thoughts move people to do all sorts of things. So I'm wondering if it's the thoughts moving people because that's what they naturally do, or if there is an additional component needed.
I see where you're coming from. Are you considering thoughts to be only forced by an individual's thinking or do you consider instinctual actions (breathing, seeing, etc.) to be thoughts as well?
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: irie.one]
#14089871 - 03/08/11 11:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: What makes thoughts different than, say, gravity? For all I can tell gravity doesn't exist physically but it sure influences the physical as a force.
Gravity does exist physically, it's part of the study of physics, and the fact that you are sitting down serves as proof of it's existence. Thoughts don't have a physical force but can serve to influence us in physical actions, if you want to go that route.
No, I'm not sitting on gravity. Gravity is holding me to what I am sitting on. It is acting on the physical environment, but it is not the physical environment. At least as far as I know
I am no physicist.
I used gravity because IMO it resembles thought as it appears to me to be an emergent property of matter. You get matter to a certain mass and it produces gravity. You get matter to a certain level of evolution and it produces thought.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14089894 - 03/08/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it's the curvature of spacetime, so in a way it is the physical environment. matter is just like a little bundle of spacetime and its knotted distortion is what causes gravity. Dunno if that's how einstein would describe it but i think that's a pretty good working understanding.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14089974 - 03/08/11 11:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: What makes thoughts different than, say, gravity? For all I can tell gravity doesn't exist physically but it sure influences the physical as a force.
Gravity does exist physically, it's part of the study of physics, and the fact that you are sitting down serves as proof of it's existence. Thoughts don't have a physical force but can serve to influence us in physical actions, if you want to go that route.
No, I'm not sitting on gravity. Gravity is holding me to what I am sitting on. It is acting on the physical environment, but it is not the physical environment. At least as far as I know
I am no physicist.
I used gravity because IMO it resembles thought as it appears to me to be an emergent property of matter. You get matter to a certain mass and it produces gravity. You get matter to a certain level of evolution and it produces thought.
Hmm, so you're asking if thoughts physically exist, like molecules and whatnot? In that case, no, thoughts have no physical power. They are not subject to the laws of nature (such as gravity), and they cannot be located as anything more than connected neurotransmitters in the brain. If this weren't the case, we could have the ability to physically manipulate thoughts like being able to remove or relocate them.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Kickle]
#14090007 - 03/08/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: I'm not sure why you're making this out to be an either-or type of thing; I think thoughts are provided with lots of things, like sensory perceptions for example, and I don't think this means that they can't have power/force/strength.
Well, generally, it's either an innate quality or a quality granted. I'm just curious which it is. Because as far as I can tell, thoughts move people to do all sorts of things. So I'm wondering if it's the thoughts moving people because that's what they naturally do, or if there is an additional component needed.
AFAIK, thoughts can cause my body to move; before I type each word, I have to think about it, and that thought causes me to type it. I'm not sure if there's anything in between this process, other than the energy that is literally used to move my fingers.
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Re: Do thoughts have innate power? [Re: Poid]
#14090057 - 03/08/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Funny debate.
Thought is everything.
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