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Quasimoto
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First Grow Using Mycobags
#14089623 - 03/08/11 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have obtained two Mycobags and one syringe of Golden Teacher spores. Before I inject the bags, I want to know exactly what I must do in order to maximize my yield. What series of actions would lead to the highest yield?
So after injecting,
-Where do I store the bag? Will a box in my closet do? -What do I do once it is completely covered in mycelium? Fruit in the bag or transfer it somewhere?
Thank you!
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Doc_T
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Quasimoto]
#14089736 - 03/08/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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A shelf somewhere is fine. No direct light, but room light is ok. Room temperature too. I'd spawn to coir/verm/gypsum. But there's a lot of options, including fruiting from the bag.
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Doc_T]
#14089782 - 03/08/11 10:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup. If you want to minimize the chance of contamination, you can just fruit in the bag. If you want to maximize your yield, you should spawn to coir/verm/gypsum like Doc T said.
I always store my bags in light-proof containers, but that's just me.
I love bags.
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14089884 - 03/08/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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is coir/verm superior to compost for fruiting?
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: qYp]
#14089903 - 03/08/11 11:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's not better, but rather it's almost as good. But it's simpler to get and prepare for some people, especially city dwellers. Note that cubes don't grow on the same kind of 'compost' that say, table mushrooms do. But manure+straw kicks ass if you prep it correctly.
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: qYp]
#14089909 - 03/08/11 11:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do not consider coir+verm to be better than poo+verm.
They are close enough that this is a personal issue.
OP, consider trying a couple of methods, to improve your odds.
...maybe a monotub for one and some trays in a SGFC with the other.
Good luck,
JD
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14089939 - 03/08/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So, if I wanted to fruit in the bag, would I leave the bag sealed or poke holes in it for air exchange?
What kind of yield can I expect in dried grams if I fruit in the bag?
Or if I choose to spawn in vermiculite, would I just sterilize a semi-transparent plastic box, dump a bag of vermiculite in it, dump the contents of the fully colonized bag in it, and spray with water periodically?
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Quasimoto]
#14089984 - 03/08/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can spawn to straight verm like that, it works ok. I do it in thin layers, and spray it with a spray bottle as I go. Wet it down pretty good, but not soggy.
Wash the fruits well, there's going to be a lot of verm.
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Doc_T]
#14090019 - 03/08/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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why does everybody always leave out used coffee grounds?
its damn inexpensive
ive grown with it and without it and ive seen dramatic increases in yield
i use my spawn bags as part of a g2g
i hit up my grain jars with spores or agar, then g2g into bags
the bags dont take me long to colonize with this method
then i mix the bags with as many ingredients as i can get my hands on, incubate, then fruit
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: ar1es]
#14090025 - 03/08/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
ar1es said: why does everybody always leave out used coffee grounds?
Because if you do you can leave out pasteurization, skip an entire step.
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Doc_T]
#14090056 - 03/08/11 11:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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how do you skip pasteurization with coir?
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biologys
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: ar1es]
#14090098 - 03/08/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pouring boiling water in a bucket over coir is more or less cooking the coir...more of sterilizing then pasteurizing..
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: ar1es]
#14090103 - 03/08/11 11:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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By not doing it.
I just dump boiling water over the coir/verm/gypsum. I can't do that with coffee added, I get the mean green.
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Doc_T]
#14090173 - 03/08/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ah
bucket tek thing
im going to have to try this one day
i got a lot of added nutes by using hpoo, black kow, black hen, coffee, straw, and brf but it is a pain in the ass to round up all these ingredients and to cook on the stove
i do get multiple productive flushes using my mix so i wonder how the coir/verm/gypsum compares
i may have to do a side to side to see if all my efforts are worth it
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: ar1es]
#14090185 - 03/08/11 11:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i've always just used coir/verm/gypsum...this batch i just did with my APE grow is first time i've used manure/coir and actually pasteurized properly....will find out if its worth it or not lol
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Quasimoto
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Quasimoto]
#14090353 - 03/09/11 12:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have decided to allow it to fruit in vitro.
My only question now is: Once it starts pinning, should I cut open the top so I can fan and mist the pins (then seal it with tape) or should I just let the pins grow in the sealed bag?
Convenience and minimizing the potential for contamination are my priorities.
Also, what kind of yield can I expect from this method??
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Quasimoto]
#14090387 - 03/09/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am sure that this is a fairly sure way to get some fruits.
...not as many as spawning to a bulk sub, but that involves steps and risk.
One thing: some bags are better for in-bago fruiting. I think that their holes are .5 microns instead of .3
Not critical, as you can start fruiting after you have opened the bags and introduced fruiting conditions.
Good luck!
JD
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Javadog]
#14091000 - 03/09/11 05:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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My first and only experience with mycobags yielded a very small flush of fairly small fruit. Colonization was extremely slow and the bag seemed too dry when I recieved it, so I felt like hydration was the problem and didn't figure I'd get much at all out of a second flush in the bag.....so.....I harvested, removed the bag, and dunked the cake just like you would a BRF jar cake........after an overnite stay in the fridge, I put it back in the SGFC (didn't roll) and harvested an additional 4 very nice flushes, dunking after each flush.
FC
Edited by FusterCluck (03/09/11 05:44 AM)
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Re: First Grow Using Mycobags [Re: Quasimoto]
#14091034 - 03/09/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Note that cubes don't grow on the same kind of 'compost' that say, table mushrooms do.
Cubensis don't grow on substrate that's been composted at all. Agaricus mushrooms do best on substrates that have been partially composted.
Colonize your bags in an area that receives natural air currents, as well as, receives ambient light on a day and night schedule as to establish a ciradian rhythm for your mycelium while colonizing. Not in a closed, dark container.
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pouring boiling water in a bucket over coir is more or less cooking the coir...more of sterilizing then pasteurizing..
200-212F is neither sterilization nor pasteurization. Moreover, the 200-212F range is known as the sanitation temperature range.
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