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A beginners approach to growing cubensis
#14088964 - 03/08/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whats up Shroomery Forum? This is my first post. If I am attempting to grow a strain of cubes this spring called keepers creepers would this be the right way to go about it? I am going to elaborate my approach and I hope that the wise heads on here will tell me if it is ok or if i need to change anything even slightly.
First off I got the spores from a place called the spore store. They are in a syringe and cost 9.95 including shipping. I also bought a compost bag from mushbox.com to start the spores in but this bag seemed too expensive. I was wondering if you guys knew of any other, possibly cheaper, sites that sell ready made grain and compost bags to start the spores in.
My mom has a horse so getting the manure will be no problem. I am going to mix approx 55 percent cut straw with 45 percent dried manure and then load this mixture into "turkey size" oven bags and put them into the oven at ~170 for about an hour. After the oven I will empty the pasteurized bags of manure and straw into a wheelbarrow and add a bit of gypsum. How much gypsum should I add?
Once I have the manure, straw, and gypsum mixed consistently I am going to bust open my starting bag which by this time should be completely white with mycelium and mix this into the substrate. I will mix it all together in a small area outside then put a casing layer of vermiculite and coca coir over it and dampen it.
Will I be good. Please any tips or tweaks on anything Ive described above in order to ensure success is greatly appreciated as this is my first time attempting this. Thanks.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14088999 - 03/08/11 08:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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qYp said: I am going to mix approx 55 percent cut straw with 45 percent dried manure
I will empty the pasteurized bags of manure and straw into a wheelbarrow and add a bit of gypsum.
this had got to be a troll..
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: k00laid]
#14089026 - 03/08/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why so k00laid? Too "pseudo-professional"?
I am clueless to spot these things....though I have learned the clues that tell when a child is trying to grow without their parents finding out.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Javadog]
#14089059 - 03/08/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Javadog]
#14089063 - 03/08/11 08:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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strain talk
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55% and 45% lol wtf why not 50/50
also emptying a pasteurized bag of substrate into a wheelbarrow and THEN adding the gypsum.
all of this in one post screams troll to me
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: k00laid]
#14089146 - 03/08/11 09:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sweet. thanks alot really what I needed. Anyone with some real advice? I genuinely thought there should be more straw than shit. is it not ok to add gypsum after pasteurizing. these are the things I wanted to make sure I was clear on before I started. thanks for being dicks about it though really refreshing for a message forum.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089176 - 03/08/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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qYp said: sweet. thanks alot really what I needed. Anyone with some real advice? I genuinely thought there should be more straw than shit. is it not ok to add gypsum after pasteurizing. these are the things I wanted to make sure I was clear on before I started. thanks for being dicks about it though really refreshing for a message forum.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: stranger_danger]
#14089182 - 03/08/11 09:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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does anyone have any clue how to grow shrooms outside on shit? would love to hear about it!
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089221 - 03/08/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, i'll be the one to say.....Go to mushroomvideos.com and watch all the PF Tek videos. Get that down pat and move on from there. It is the easiest way.....and never order from sporestore....use one of the sponsors from this site.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14089223 - 03/08/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Start with an easy inside grow, why not? Trying to hide it from mom?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14089266 - 03/08/11 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not really trying to hide it I just want a fuck ton of mushrooms. It doesnt make sense to me to grow them inside when spring is coming up. I know the pf tek it just seems like a pain in the ass. I want like a abbreviated version of it but I cant find it. Isn't it like fill jars with verm poke holes in top flip them upside down. boil the jars then inject.Is that it?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089284 - 03/08/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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qYp said: Not really trying to hide it I just want a fuck ton of mushrooms. It doesnt make sense to me to grow them inside when spring is coming up. I know the pf tek it just seems like a pain in the ass. I want like a abbreviated version of it but I cant find it. Isn't it like fill jars with verm poke holes in top flip them upside down. boil the jars then inject.Is that it?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089311 - 03/08/11 09:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is a learning process, you have to crawl before you walk. It teaches you sterile procedures and technique. Then when you become comfortable you can use spawn bags for an outside grow....I have never grown outside, but I can tell you that people have grown shitloads inside with manure based bulk teks....
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14089349 - 03/08/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"i want a fuck ton of mushrooms"...didn't someone get banned like less then a week ago, that kept using that same exact phrase?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
#14089359 - 03/08/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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but I can tell you that people have grown shitloads inside with manure based bulk teks....
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i GrOw StUFF said: Ok, i'll be the one to say.....Go to mushroomvideos.com and watch all the PF Tek videos. Get that down pat and move on from there. It is the easiest way.....and never order from sporestore....use one of the sponsors from this site.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: biologys]
#14089362 - 03/08/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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RR must get headaches reading these forums sometimes...I can see why he bans for pleasure
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089365 - 03/08/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089384 - 03/08/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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> I was wondering if you guys knew of any other, possibly cheaper, sites that sell ready made grain and compost bags to start the spores in.
I recently bought prepared rye spawn bags from Everything Mushrooms and have no complaints. They start at $15 and go as low as $10 each when bought in bulk, but no matter where you buy prepared bags you'll be stuck paying a premium. If you're really trying to save money, buy a pressure cooker and make your own.
> My mom has a horse so getting the manure will be no problem. I am going to mix approx 55 percent cut straw with 45 percent dried manure and then load this mixture into "turkey size" oven bags and put them into the oven at ~170 for about an hour. After the oven I will empty the pasteurized bags of manure and straw into a wheelbarrow and add a bit of gypsum. How much gypsum should I add?
I'd follow a tried and trusted tek here, like Agar's.
> I will mix it all together in a small area outside then put a casing layer of vermiculite and coca coir over it and dampen it.
Your casing layer is meant to be non nutritious, which is the reason why using coir is not recommended. Again I would follow a proven tek here, like the 50/50+ casing tek. Worth noting is that Cubensis doesn't really need a casing layer, so using one all together is totally optional.
Make sure you check out the archive and Grow Mushrooms page, they're filled with resources for first timers (I'm also on my first grow). Good luck!
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089394 - 03/08/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Outside on manure is the natural habitat, read up and you will be fine (use the search function to answer any specific questions you have, here is the quickest thing I found on gypsum percentages). And screw those other guys you seem legit to me . The more precise and scientific one can be the better, especially with mycology.
Sounds like you have your method down- just like you said, use the bags then spawn it to your outside mass. Good luck mate!
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Yeah seriously man. Read the material, it's free! Start out small and work your way up. Coming in here and acting like you want to be a Mushroom Scarface makes you sound like a
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089469 - 03/08/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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qYp said: Not really trying to hide it I just want a fuck ton of mushrooms. It doesnt make sense to me to grow them inside when spring is coming up.
Search this forum for "outdoor beds".
You will still want to grow spawn, so Pf Tek cakes are still an option.
They work.
You can try grains if you have a PC, but your approach sounds a bit loose for that route.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14089628 - 03/08/11 10:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok heres my revised approach to this outdoor shroom bed. I already ordered the bag and syringe so that may change another time but not now. When I feel like my bag is looking ready Ill take 50/50 dried manure and straw with a little bit of gypsum and fill ovenbags with it and put them into the oven at 170 for a little over an hour. Once cooled Ill mix the pasteurized shit and straw with my colonized bag and spread it in this shallow bed I made for them in the woods. I will probably cover the final substrate with a little more manure and straw for good measure and not use a casing. Ill water it a bit then let it be. Does that sound good?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089702 - 03/08/11 10:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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also the bag i ordered was stupid expensive and has some compost already in it. I'm thinking this is unnecessary. Cant I just use a sterilized bag of rye grain to start from syringe. This is probably the biggest question I have?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089749 - 03/08/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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> Cant I just use a sterilized bag of rye grain to start from syringe. This is probably the biggest question I have?
Yes, that's exactly what I've done.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Joeker]
#14089785 - 03/08/11 10:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sick... what are you using for substrate?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089852 - 03/08/11 11:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wanted to use High Mountain Compost (a sponsor here), but I think I'll end up trying Damion5050's Coir Tek to cut down costs this time around .
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Joeker]
#14089860 - 03/08/11 11:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Damion5050's tek is what I'm going with. Cheap, easy, effective.
Sorry I hassled you earlier.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Joeker]
#14089913 - 03/08/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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that could have been an interesting version of that movie...
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089933 - 03/08/11 11:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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qYp said: Cant I just use a sterilized bag of rye grain to start from syringe. This is probably the biggest question I have?
Yes, but you must have a clean syringe.
If you are shooting spores, just use a little bit. Spore water is potent stuff. Shake well then shoot a few drops at a time into several different places, then don't shake the bag until about 20% colonization.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Doc_T]
#14089953 - 03/08/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah i got the syringe from spore store which i hope is legit. they say to inject like 2ccs into your bag. A drawback is I cant inject in multiple spots just on this blister on the bag. Im pretty sure.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14089993 - 03/08/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can you move the needle around inside the bag (carefully) while leaving it in the same place in the blister? 2 mL total is cool. :thumbup.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: Doc_T]
#14194308 - 03/27/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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well its never easy is it... this fuckin rye bag isn't doing shit. I thought it would be completely white by now. now I know why these aren't highly recommended.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14194344 - 03/27/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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18 days from spores to 100% colonization?
uhhh what.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: k00laid]
#14194372 - 03/27/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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nothing at all has happened. the bag is not showing any signs of mycellium growth.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: qYp]
#14194419 - 03/27/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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did you shoot the spores into the middle of the bag where you would not be able to see germination? (bar x-ray vision)
or did you squirt it down the side of the bag so you can see when the spores germinated.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: k00laid]
#14194700 - 03/27/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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if your growing outside you dont have to pasteurize your horse shit. Dont use straw either, mix 6 parts horse poo to 3 parts verm and 1 part gypsum. just throw it in a tub, hydrate it and mix in a little lime and let it soak for a few hours. the lime partially pasteurizes it so it gives the mycelium less competition from organisms. dig a bed in a shaded area and line it with landscape clothe. fill it full of the poo mixture and mix in your spawn. keep it damp with a soaker hose and everything will work out.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: big_herb]
#14195086 - 03/27/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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big_herb said: if your growing outside you dont have to pasteurize your horse shit. Dont use straw either, mix 6 parts horse poo to 3 parts verm and 1 part gypsum. just throw it in a tub, hydrate it and mix in a little lime and let it soak for a few hours. the lime partially pasteurizes it so it gives the mycelium less competition from organisms. dig a bed in a shaded area and line it with landscape clothe. fill it full of the poo mixture and mix in your spawn. keep it damp with a soaker hose and everything will work out.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: anonjon]
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big_herb said: if your growing outside you dont have to pasteurize your horse shit. Dont use straw either, mix 6 parts horse poo to 3 parts verm and 1 part gypsum. just throw it in a tub, hydrate it and mix in a little lime and let it soak for a few hours. the lime partially pasteurizes it so it gives the mycelium less competition from organisms. dig a bed in a shaded area and line it with landscape clothe. fill it full of the poo mixture and mix in your spawn. keep it damp with a soaker hose and everything will work out.

And if it gets dried out is that a problem? couldn't you just let the rain do its thing and let nature run its course? Is the keeping it damp just for optimal results? I share a backyard with 2 other families (3 story/3 family house) so I can't exactly go watering a spot and have shrooms pop up then pick them but if I throw some spent substrates out there and shrooms pop up the other families won't notice. If I was out there and making sure that one area was kept watered then they might notice and that would be problems but just going out to pick them at night some day wouldn't be a problem. Then again maybe watering in the middle of the night when everyone's asleep would work for me...
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k00laid said: did you shoot the spores into the middle of the bag where you would not be able to see germination? (bar x-ray vision)
or did you squirt it down the side of the bag so you can see when the spores germinated.
And as for this yea I did the same thing I squirted it in the middle and didn't have optimal conditions but I didn't see any growth for over a month but once it started showing growth it exploded...
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: freeskierpj]
#14196875 - 03/28/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah a nice fluffy patch of compost would dry out pretty easily in the sunshine, you'd probably have to water it.
If u need to be surreptitious, then I recommend simply burying spawn in an area where the soil stays pretty moist. Like where the soil has a lot of clay.
You could grow spawn in spawn bags and then just bury them with a post hole digger in random locations. Cover it over with some yard debris. No one would be the wiser.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: anonjon]
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: alcoholocaust]
#14196905 - 03/28/11 09:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Huh? I wasn't trolling. You can bury spawn..it really is that simple outdoors.
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: anonjon]
#14196957 - 03/28/11 09:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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wasnt directed at you
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: alcoholocaust]
#14196989 - 03/28/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Who was it directed at then?
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: freeskierpj]
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: alcoholocaust]
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18 days from spores to 100% colonization?
uhhh what.
yup.. happens all the time.. ive seen them as fast as 14 days..
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: alcoholocaust]
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somebodys got a conscious
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Re: A beginners approach to growing cubensis [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
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DJYoshaBYD said:
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18 days from spores to 100% colonization?
uhhh what.
yup.. happens all the time.. ive seen them as fast as 14 days..
i thought we were talking about a spawn bag full of rye berries. not brf cakes lol
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