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Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???***
    #14088568 - 03/08/11 07:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ok folkies. Experienced shroom user/grower ~100 trips under the belt.

The last two days were very interesting, enough to get me back to the boards and asking questions.

Yesterday my friend and I prepped up some tea as follows:
1.) 1.5g dried cubies ground up into fine powder
2.) Soak the powder ~30 minutes in fresh squeezed lemon juice
3.) Add hot water and let it all extract, soak in, ~10 minutes.
4.) Pass the whole mixture through fine fabric coffee filter 3 times.
5.) Flavor to preference and enjoy.

Now here is where the question comes in. Everything about our two doses was exactly the same EXCEPT in step one when making the powder, his powder was a color/hue we were much more familiar with, a tan sandy looking tone. My powder was distinctively darker, almost purple/black. It was noticeable, we acknowledged it, and then followed through with the rest of the steps identically.

He apparently had a familiar trip curve, strong potency, but nothing "bad" or abnormal. He said he never felt negative or "in the woods".

I on the otherhand, had a near death experience, and not in the amazing mystical mushroomy sense. Much more like the toxic skull and bones flashing everywhere in my mind and really feeling poisoned. This was an identical batch, dried in under 24 hrs with a dehydrator, and grown in a clean tank, BRF cakes. I just let it take its time and see what would come of it, and after about two hours in, I had the alarm go off that demanded clean water NOW or I would probably be in trouble. I proceeded to slam my system with ~gallon of clean water and began instantly feeling better. I never felt an urge of nausea or gastrointestinal distress. It felt like everything absorbed just fine and normally, it's just once it was in me and working that things got sinister.

OK THEN. So that was the first part of the story.
DAY TWO.
Today, I was alone and decided I needed to get right back in the ring and see what went wrong yesterday. Confront the fear/paranoia, answer the concerns. I just had this hunch I wanted to test. I really felt like it had to do with the spores. There was something in my brain that was wondering if perhaps I am (is this even possible?) having severe allergic reactions to psilocybin spores. Ya know, it just FELT like it had something to do with the spores. So today, I did the same prep method as yesterday but selected only stems, no caps at all. The powder came out the same color as the friends batch yesterday and the same color as most powders I've ever made, the tan sand. Went through all the same prep and threw it all down the hatch.

Things were perfect. It went just like what I am used to, the way I used to feel. It felt good, safe, healthy. Not to say it wasn't "intense", but it felt like all psychic energy, opposed to yesterdays all physical energy. Yesterday felt like my body was under attack, today felt like it was my mind, which is what i prefer and am used to. So for me, it seems like I respond well to stems, and have negative results with caps (i.e. spores).

When I first started, I was about 20, and these days I'm 23. I used to take caps/stems with no noticeable problems or differences, solid ingestion even. But it seems as time went on and the trip count went up, I grew an intolerance to eating them, and had to begin making teas. And now it seems like even my tea is starting to naturally select itself. Is this something normal over time?

Young kid--->eating fresh cubies, caps/stems, no prob.
stage 1  --->can't eat anymore, started making teas, caps/stems no prob
stage 2  --->can't tea with caps w/o problems. can only tea with stems

Am I developing a mushroom sensitivity or allergy? Anyone else gone through similar progression?

I know this is a really long post, but it's just really got my mind bugging and I only think of one place to goto for answers like these. So there we go, have at it gumshoes, I appreciate any insights or advice.

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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: Mycaleum]
    #14088707 - 03/08/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

your shroom were not properly dried and probably contained some sort of bacteria.

thats what "darker colored" dust sounds like to me.

cuz like you, my shroom dust always comes out tan/sandy


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: k00laid]
    #14090595 - 03/09/11 01:28 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

yes consistent exposure makes your body produce antigens.  It makes you more prone to that type of allergy- it makes sense. but do you have the same reaction to other fungi or cellulose species?


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14091366 - 03/09/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can dig the consistent exposure and the antigen production, but I am unsure of similar reactions to other fungi or cellulose species, because up to this point in my life, I have had ZERO allergies that I have been made aware of, except swordfish.

I still do not feel like it was a contamination or bacteria problem because my friends dose came from the same batch, dried and stored and same way, and I selected dosage with no discretion, so if they were bad, we should have both been sick. I really feel like I was having an allergic reaction.


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: Mycaleum]
    #14091632 - 03/09/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've been through "bad trips" where I was feeling like I was poisoned etc. For me that's always just been in my head. I would tend to thing you just had a bad trip the first time, and had a more mellow trip the 2nd time due to tolerance from just recently having took mushrooms.

I guess it could be an allergy or bacterial thing, but I think it's probably more in your head.


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: nicechrisman]
    #14091940 - 03/09/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

you should try actually cooking them.  on the BBq or something, this will denature any proteins that you could be having a reaction to.


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14092204 - 03/09/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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you should try actually cooking them.  on the BBq or something, this will denature any proteins that you could be having a reaction to.




ehh I wouldn't do this. You'll likely degrade the psilocin with the intense heat.
I agree with the other poster, it's probably all in your head. I've thought many times that I poisoned myself while on shrooms. It's irrational, and I always say "well, I'm trippin balls, if I was poisoned I probably wouldn't be trippin.." which usually calms my nerves.

there are people who have tripped hundreds and hundreds of times without any allergic problem, and I seriously doubt you can develop an allergy to shrooms.

probably all in your head, but...I can't say for sure.
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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: Anthony917]
    #14092280 - 03/09/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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dmonkey1 said:
you should try actually cooking them.  on the BBq or something, this will denature any proteins that you could be having a reaction to.




ehh I wouldn't do this. You'll likely degrade the psilocin with the intense heat.
I agree with the other poster, it's probably all in your head. I've thought many times that I poisoned myself while on shrooms. It's irrational, and I always say "well, I'm trippin balls, if I was poisoned I probably wouldn't be trippin.." which usually calms my nerves.

there are people who have tripped hundreds and hundreds of times without any allergic problem, and I seriously doubt you can develop an allergy to shrooms.

probably all in your head, but...I can't say for sure.
GL



This is actually one level of heat that might be high enough to break down the psilocybin as well.  Psilocin is unstable and probably destroyed (mostly) in drying or simmering for tea, but on a grill your temps get high enough that the psilocybin probably would turn to junk as well.


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: Anthony917]
    #14092300 - 03/09/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Anthony917 said:
ehh I wouldn't do this. You'll likely degrade the psilocin with the intense heat.
I agree with the other poster, it's probably all in your head. I've thought many times that I poisoned myself while on shrooms. It's irrational, and I always say "well, I'm trippin balls, if I was poisoned I probably wouldn't be trippin.." which usually calms my nerves.

there are people who have tripped hundreds and hundreds of times without any allergic problem, and I seriously doubt you can develop an allergy to shrooms.

probably all in your head, but...I can't say for sure.
GL




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I've cooked them on the grill (so has RR).  There is no proof only nonsense


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: dmonkey1]
    #14098557 - 03/10/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm still in the camp that this was not "all in my head". The first trip, was not really mentally stimulating at all, no visual alterations, no wavies or patterns, or anything shroomy. Just the tightening of my throat and serious presence of sinus trouble, like a post nasal drip with noticeable mucous production.

The second trip, all stems and a familiar coloring, felt like all the other shroom trips.

And I am also making a difference here between shroom effects, which can be categorized as good or bad, but then also a "bad" trip in the sense of nasty physical effects.  I am perfectly fine with a "bad trip" thats all in my head, I've been to hell before and I at least know how to deal with that kind of thing. But for that same reason, I am very much aware of when it feels like I am having severe physical kick back. I don't mind mental warfare, but for that very reason, I recognize that field when I'm there and when I'm not. The first trip felt like poison, the second trip felt like I was tripping balls on shrooms.

Either way, I am just not going to be taking caps anymore from here on out and will devotedly use stems from here on out. Better safe than sorry.


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Re: Mushroom tea ***allergic reaction???*** [Re: Mycaleum]
    #14100324 - 03/10/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm still in the camp that this was not "all in my head". The first trip, was not really mentally stimulating at all, no visual alterations, no wavies or patterns, or anything shroomy. Just the tightening of my throat and serious presence of sinus trouble, like a post nasal drip with noticeable mucous production.




I suspect it was just mental as well, brought on my noticing a color difference and then amplified in your brain.  You got what you expected to get. :shrug:  The next day everything was different...and everything was different.  Happens a lot. Shrooms are powerful emotion amplifiers.

Personally I don't like excessive spores in the tea, but they can't have any effect on the trip. 

By buying into some off-base "caps vs stems" theory, you'll just perpetuate it in your own mind.:shake:

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My powder was distinctively darker, almost purple/black. It was noticeable, we acknowledged it, and then followed through with the rest of the steps identically.




That's what you get making tea without acidifying the water - degraded psilocin provides the purple color (as will spores if a LOT).  Maybe you didn't treat the two brews the same with the lemon juice somehow...

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