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Re: Working out [Re: indica]
    #14117286 - 03/13/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thing is it's pretty difficult to do power lifting with a busted knee, gonna be busted for at least a couple more years, I'll have to stick with "bro" tactics for now.


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Re: Working out [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #14117716 - 03/14/11 01:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

fair enough. your serious best bet is talk to a physician or a DECENT pt. there should be ways around it, but I have a friend who also has a busted knee and does a lot of bro tactics to get around it. if it's the only way then fair enough, but I'm a nut for powerlifting so I'm extremely biased, i used to be bro-fag (as in I was going to the gym 5 days a week and doing benches, curls, lat pulldowns etc) too until my brother showed me the light (he's deadlifting upwards of 600lbs and is lean as fuck). you'll be hard pressed to see gains and results the same as you would from lifting from any other method of working out.


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Re: Working out [Re: indica]
    #14119745 - 03/14/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ninja cat 09 said:
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dshow said:
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WRONG

lifting every day is detrimental. You should lift three days a week





WRONG AGAIN. lol. Depends on what your doing? You planning on entering into a power lifting competition? marathon run? Just want to lose weight? Bodybuild?

and so far what ive seen everyone has givin a routine for different goals. Which is cool. It would just be nice if OP answered back on his own thread on what is goals are.




Sorry about taking so long to answer, my goals is to get stronger and more defined, an athletic look.




Kettlebells!

If you're not interested in booby building (otherwise known as body building) and doing 1000 reps of bench and curls to get some massive pecs, check out the KB thread.  Not to say I don't like having a nice body, your goals should be strength, fitness and strength which gives a great physique in time.  Too much emphasis on "GET BIG NOW" in our culture.

These will get you VERY STRONG.  Kettlebells will give you a very good power:mass ratio, amazing cardio, and a great body.  Kettlebells develop insane strength, coordination, determination, and bodies.

You will end up with the stringy defined Bruce Lee look, as opposed to the Arnold look.


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Re: Working out [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14123404 - 03/15/11 01:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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all power lifters I know do NO isolation exercises  (bicep curls etc) and do only compound lifting, and retain chiseled, slim and lean as fuck ripped physiques you would assume were that of a bro-fag who does situps and bicep curlz every day.





i feel you on the bro fag workouts. I call it the ABC's Abs-biceps-chest.
Wait are you saying dont do bicept curls?? or you just mean like dont do concentration curls???

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3 days a week is all you need if you do it right. your body needs rests days




different Goals can be accomplished different ways. You couldnt possibly think that 3 days is the absolute best way possible to lift weights.

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but heavy lifting/weights should never be done every day  in the case of power lifting




True, you wouldnt recover.

But he has knee problems. Squats and deadlifts would be great, but he would have to start at a light weight and i doubt powerlifting his lower body would be a good idea. Chances are when he gets up to a certain weight he will put wayyyy to much strain on them knees.

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Kettlebells will give you a very good power:mass ratio, amazing cardio, and a great body.  Kettlebells develop insane strength, coordination, determination, and bodies.




Yea kettle bells work too. So do dumbells. So do bars. So do cables. So does body weight. Theres no magic.  Weight is weight.


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Re: Working out [Re: dshow]
    #14123412 - 03/15/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

swimming pool..


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Re: Working out [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #14123598 - 03/15/11 03:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ninja cat 09 said:I have a gym membership and have been running for the last two months 3 times a week.



on a "bad knee"?
insanity.
lifting weights is less stressful on the knee than running 3x a week, so don't let your bad knee hold you back.


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Re: Working out [Re: dshow]
    #14123609 - 03/15/11 03:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

EDIT: you shouldn't use the shroomery to get knowledge about shit like this... if you want to find great ways to get fit I suggest finding websites dedicated to the matter. this is a drug forum, we are all crackheads and our advice is immediately void of credibility because we are all junkies and have no idea about our own personal health. but seriously, there are plenty of amazing websites out there that can help you in the matter, for the most part we here are all going to disagree to some extent because we have different ideas on the topic.


When I started lifting I did no bicep/tricep isolation exercises. I got all my arm growth from deadlifts/chinups/pendlay rows/dips/shoulder press. You will see absolutely amazing results, deadlifts alone have incredible growth potential for all muscle groups.

I stopped training for 4 months and started again, and lost a lot of arm strength but retained a lot of core/back/leg strength. To regain my arm strength I did start bicep curls and tricep extensions as well as the chinups/dips until I get back to where I was before (20kg weighted dips and 25kg weighted chinups) and because I weigh 231lbs as it is, I have a lot of weight to pull on my long arms. When I get back to form I will get rid of curls/tris until I move onto a more advanced lifting routine where isolation exercises are indeed needed.

3 days a week is a maximum for intense powerlifting. The 4 rest days are essential for body recovery and central nervous system resetting. A lot of higher-level lifters often take 1-2 week rest periods every 6 or so months for CNS resetting.

Three days a week is indeed the best possible way to lift weights (for powerlifting) and is also the safest


Also, when starting powerlifting, it is IMPERATIVE you start on light weights, perhaps 30-40lbs, even just the bar. Even if you think you can lift more, don't. Your body needs to adapt to what you are about to put it through. After about 3-4 weeks you can start getting into serious weight.

Even at a  higher level you ALWAYS warm up. You don't just walk in and squat 300lbs or deadlift 500lbs or whatever, you always warm up. It is essntial otherwise you'll just fuck your shit up big time.


About the growth, when you are doing compound lifting you are releasing natural growth hormones with back workouts that go to all muscle groups and grow them accordingly. From deadlifts alone, once I've finished a set or 1RM my ENTIRE upper body is aching. Chest, shoulders, core/abs, backforearms/flexors, biceps, the lot and my head is SPINNING.  It is the most satisfying feeling I get from any workout.


this is my brother



he is slender, lean and ripped with absolutely no body fat on him whatsoever, and all he does is compound lifting and is getting ready to start competing.  he used to be the fat kid in school and started doing weights (as in bro-fag weights), he got fucking ridiculously huge (a lot of bulk mass)  but then discovered compound lifting, given how lean he looks now you would never believe he is lifting upwards of 550lbs...

Granted, he did this coupled with an INTENSE cutting diet  applied once he gained enough strength (which I've tried for a month and can vouch for) over a period of time but the results speak for themselves. Powerlifting works. The way I see it, what's the point of faffing around with dumbbells lifting pissy little weights for an hour+ every day when you could max lifts only 3 days a week and get much better results?? I used to go into the gym and use every single machine there, doing upwards of 10 or so exercises for 3-5 sets a session. Now I don't even touch a machine.

More and more people are turning to powerlifting/kettlebells/compound lifting because it is now becoming well known that it is the best form to gain strength and muscle development in an intense, short workout session. The frustration I used to feel on the "ABC routine" over months and months gaining size but still being weak as piss was suddenly made clear to me when my bro explained to me it was because I had absolutely no core or back strength to back up my useless muscle mass.


However if you are doing cardio, lightweights or what have you for your own personal athletic path or goal then by all means do 4 days a week, as long as you give yourself a rest period. Muscle growth occurs in the rest period, not the workout session. It is the muscle repairing itself from the tears you induce during training (pretty common knowledge, I assume)

I do absolutely no cardio for the fact that where I am in my routine means that cardio is negating the maximum gains I am trying to get this early in my (re-)training, in a few months when I get the strength I want I will do short 'sprint' cardio coupled with diet to lose weight, I won't have to run 5km's every day or two to lose weight, which is comforting because I fucking hate cardio :lol: I am still lifting good weights, not as much as before I had to stop training, but getting there again pretty quickly. Soon I will be back up to where I was before until then I will have to wear the bit of bulk I've put on in my hiatus.

As well as training I suggest Branch Chain Amino Acids/BCAA's as well as your protein powders, I can vouch for their effectiveness.. the growth and speed of pace of gains in my training has improved doubly since using BCAA's.

Everyone I've turned onto compound training has said they regret not listening to me sooner and taking it up, they are not necessarily trying to get massive, but they've suddenly realised they've removed 4-5 unnecessary workouts by adopting 2 exercises into the routine.

I know this post is irrelevant to OP's post now, but thought I should clear that up.

Perhaps light squats would help OP for his knees, but I'm by no means qualified to say that so you should not heed that advice, as is advisable, if you have an injury, consult a PT or physician.

/end rant


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Re: Working out [Re: indica]
    #14124762 - 03/15/11 12:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

awesome story. Thats the kinda stuff im doing. But the guy has bad knees. He should not follow the same path.


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Re: Working out [Re: dshow]
    #14125785 - 03/15/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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dshow said:
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all power lifters I know do NO isolation exercises  (bicep curls etc) and do only compound lifting, and retain chiseled, slim and lean as fuck ripped physiques you would assume were that of a bro-fag who does situps and bicep curlz every day.





i feel you on the bro fag workouts. I call it the ABC's Abs-biceps-chest.
Wait are you saying dont do bicept curls?? or you just mean like dont do concentration curls???

Quote:

3 days a week is all you need if you do it right. your body needs rests days




different Goals can be accomplished different ways. You couldnt possibly think that 3 days is the absolute best way possible to lift weights.

Quote:

but heavy lifting/weights should never be done every day  in the case of power lifting




True, you wouldnt recover.

But he has knee problems. Squats and deadlifts would be great, but he would have to start at a light weight and i doubt powerlifting his lower body would be a good idea. Chances are when he gets up to a certain weight he will put wayyyy to much strain on them knees.

Quote:

Kettlebells will give you a very good power:mass ratio, amazing cardio, and a great body.  Kettlebells develop insane strength, coordination, determination, and bodies.




Yea kettle bells work too. So do dumbells. So do bars. So do cables. So does body weight. Theres no magic.  Weight is weight.




Not exactly true, the weight distribution of a kettlebell makes it much better for certain exercises (and worse for others).  The weight distribution also forces the use of more stabilizing muscles.  They are much better for explosive type exercises because of this geometry.

Not to say there is no place for barbells, dumbbells and so on, but kettlebells are just superior for things like swings, snatches, TGU (depends on your goals) and more.

If you're not interested in kettlebells, then do Olympic lifts.  Find a coach and learn to Olympic lift and deadlift properly.


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: Working out [Re: Cannashroom]
    #14132438 - 03/16/11 05:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Not to say there is no place for barbells, dumbbells and so on, but kettlebells are just superior for things like swings, snatches, TGU (depends on your goals) and more.




Thanks for repeating what im talking about lol


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