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Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics
#14088561 - 03/08/11 07:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Habitat: They were growing in a large field and they were growing off of old cow patties in thick grassy areas.
Gills: Some white gills and some black gills. The spores so far seem to be black.
Stem: The stem ranges from about 1-8 inches. Thick stems and hollow inside.
Cap: .5-2 inches wide. Some caps have a nipple top. and some are bell-shaped.
Spore print color: black.
Bruising: I have not noticed bruising.
Other information: I've done my research and I believe these are a Panaeolus strain, but what?



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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14088608 - 03/08/11 07:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Panaeolus fimiputris?
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Earth Child]
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14088824 - 03/08/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mostly pan ants, but it looks like a mixed collection. 2 different sp. for sure in the 1st pic
don't assign attributes to the mushroom that you want to be there... this will end in DOOOOM DOOOOM DOOOOM
edit: looking closer at the 2nd and 4th pics, you might have some P. cinctulus. you can eat any of them that print black and no major harm will come to you
closer shots of the upper stem and gills would be good
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Primal Call]
#14088848 - 03/08/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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how is the weather in cali right now?
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Earth Child]
#14088886 - 03/08/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psybe said: how is the weather in cali right now?
It's been raining some days and sunny other days. mixed weather lately.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Earth Child]
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Rainy, but warming up. At least for a minute.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: randy420rhoads]
#14088916 - 03/08/11 08:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ryath said: mostly pan ants, but it looks like a mixed collection. 2 different sp. for sure in the 1st pic
don't assign attributes to the mushroom that you want to be there... this will end in DOOOOM DOOOOM DOOOOM

Don't know what you mean by assigning attributes that I want to be there but okay I guess.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14088943 - 03/08/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think he means not to think that it's a certain Genus/species just beacause you want it to be that Genus/species.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Earth Child]
#14088992 - 03/08/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I mean suggesting that they're castaneifolius when there are obviously more than one sp. in your bundle.
didn't mean to offend, but you've got some sorting to do there.

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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Primal Call]
#14089079 - 03/08/11 08:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ryath said: I mean suggesting that they're castaneifolius when there are obviously more than one sp. in your bundle.
didn't mean to offend, but you've got some sorting to do there.

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Psybe said: I think he means not to think that it's a certain Genus/species just beacause you want it to be that Genus/species.

I was making my guess, I'm not aloud to that?
What if I told you people have eaten these mushrooms and they survived and tripped off them?
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14089127 - 03/08/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I believe you man.. good vibes. Just don't want to lose a fellow shroomerite.. those mycotoxins can be a bitch.But hey brother, if you know you'll be fine, then by all means, dine. good vibes, tho
p.s. - i don't want to use the word 'definitely', but i'm pretty sure the majority you have are of the Panaelous genus.. so should be fine
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Earth Child]
#14089196 - 03/08/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psybe said: I believe you man.. good vibes. Just don't want to lose a fellow shroomerite. Those mycotoxins can be a bitch. But hey brother, if you know you'll be fine, then by all means, dine. good vibes, tho
People I know have been picking these for years, they've always called them California Golden Caps and I've always been like WTF, never heard of anything like that and always assumed they were talking about Cyans until someone showed me where to find these "california golden caps". so I just wanted an ID. but it does look like there's 2 strains, being careful with that.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14089206 - 03/08/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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outsidethewall said: What if I told you people have eaten these mushrooms and they survived and tripped off them? 
All of your mushrooms are Panaeolus papilionaceus.
If people tripped off these I would like a sample for microscopy, dna sequencing and a good herbarium deposit.
Multiple studies have reported that Panaeolus papilionaceus is active, but I have dismissed those as misidentificaions/sloppy lab work. I would like to be proven wrong.
I would like to sequence many active and non-active collections and see how close they are genetically. And check for microscopic differences.
How much did the people eat, how many people have tasted them, what were the details of the effects reported, and the duration?
It is possible that there are other chemicals that are not scheduled which are causing the effect. All members of Panaeolus contain interesting indole alkaloids, but most do not cross the blood brain barrier.
Are these fruiting now?
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#14089445 - 03/08/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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outsidethewall said: What if I told you people have eaten these mushrooms and they survived and tripped off them? 
All of your mushrooms are Panaeolus papilionaceus.
If people tripped off these I would like a sample for microscopy, dna sequencing and a good herbarium deposit.
Multiple studies have reported that Panaeolus papilionaceus is active, but I have dismissed those as misidentificaions/sloppy lab work. I would like to be proven wrong.
I would like to sequence many active and non-active collections and see how close they are genetically. And check for microscopic differences.
How much did the people eat, how many people have tasted them, what were the details of the effects reported, and the duration?
It is possible that there are other chemicals that are not scheduled which are causing the effect. All members of Panaeolus contain interesting indole alkaloids, but most do not cross the blood brain barrier.
Are these fruiting now? I can be there to help you research these and take good pictures any day Thursday - Sunday.
Thanks Rockefeller,
Someone gave me a bag of these dried and I only ate .7, I trusted the person I got them from but she didn't know what they were called so I was thinking is this girl trying to kill me?
I would say they're psychoactive but not potent like cyans or anything crazy like that. But I could of placebo-ed myself into tripping, possible but it did make me stay up all night long.
Other people told me they've tripped off these but they've all said that these aren't potent. People I know have been calling these California Golden Caps and I've always been like WTF, never heard of such a thing. I always assumed they were talking about Cyans 'til someone actually showed me these.
They are fruiting now and I've been told that these have been found in the East Bay from Spring time through November.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14089982 - 03/08/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay, so I think I found some Panaeolus papilionaceus and papilionaceus var._papilionaceus
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14090763 - 03/09/11 03:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good find and identifications by all none the less!
Would be very interesting had these some psychedelic properties...or do they? 

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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Rafiikii]
#14091878 - 03/09/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rafiikii said: Good find and identifications by all none the less!
Would be very interesting had these some psychedelic properties...or do they? 

-Rafiikii
Rafiikii, my brother, apparently I'm going to be the tester and eat at least a half eighth to an eighth soon.
I've gotten the okay that these are edible but I'm going to find out if these are hallucinogenic
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14092718 - 03/09/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I once ate a lot of panaeolus sphinctrinus because somewhere they said to be active... but they are actually not....
even active panaeolus are weak...... except for the copelandia genus
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: AIRDOG]
#14093047 - 03/09/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmm.. intriguing thread. Best of luck outsidethewall - I look forward to hearing about the results!
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: AIRDOG]
#14093069 - 03/09/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AIRDOG said: I once ate a lot of panaeolus sphinctrinus because somewhere they said to be active... but they are actually not....
That is the same taxon that we are talking about here. We call it P. papilionaceus now. There may be a few species hiding under that name but they were synonymized by the most recent Panaeolus monograph written by Gerhardt in 1996.
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Yea, at the most, they are as strong as cubes. Usually weaker.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14093815 - 03/09/11 05:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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God speed. My brotha! 
I am definitely interested in your conclusions.
Furthermore, might be homeward bound very soon

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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Rafiikii]
#14099867 - 03/10/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I ate an eighth. I ground up the shrooms and downed the powder with some orange juice. Since the stems were hollow inside I cut them open and found one dead white maggot in one of the stems and just tossed that stem. I checked all the the caps as well to make sure there weren't any critters in there.
these are an active species, no doubt in my mind now. It's only been about an hour and a half I'm steady tripping now It took less than an hour for them to kick in.
A mild trip though, feels similar to eating .3-.4 of cyans to me.
Time to go off to lala land for a while
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14100136 - 03/10/11 07:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I take that back about it feeling like cyans, feels more like acid to me... strange but good.
Edited by outsidethewall (03/10/11 07:48 PM)
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14100170 - 03/10/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hate to call bullshit but for me an eighth of Panaeolus cinctulus would have very minimal effects, if any and those dont even look like subbs to me. I think a good way to find out if they are actually active and not just a placebo is to check for pupil dilation as that is a common side effect of psilocybin.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14100196 - 03/10/11 07:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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In those latest pics it almost looks like bruising but its prolly just the lighting, unless they are 
And I don't believe we were ever calling these subbs?
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Kaiser]
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Kaiser said: I hate to call bullshit but for me an eighth of Panaeolus cinctulus would have very minimal effects, if any and those dont even look like subbs to me. I think a good way to find out if they are actually active and not just a placebo is to check for pupil dilation as that is a common side effect of psilocybin.
They are not cinctulus or subs.
This time ain't no placebo, it was hard to notice anything off of .7 but an eighth of these have me tripping. Yes, they are not potent, so what? they're still active.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Rafiikii]
#14101032 - 03/10/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rafiikii said: In those latest pics it almost looks like bruising but its prolly just the lighting, unless they are 
And I don't believe we were ever calling these subbs?
It's not bruising, some caps have black on them because I found some in clusters and black spores dropped on some of the mushies. But I also was finding single mushies here and there without any others around it.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14104935 - 03/11/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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outsidethewall said: They are not cinctulus or subs.
This time ain't no placebo, it was hard to notice anything off of .7 but an eighth of these have me tripping. Yes, they are not potent, so what? they're still active.
Good to know they are active, nice finds  From now on I will be on the look out for Pan paps aswell as cinctulus.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Kaiser]
#14116865 - 03/13/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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cool im gonna eat mine then
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: kel.kobro]
#14116894 - 03/13/11 10:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let us know how it goes.
I am drying some out in front of a wood stove as I speak.
How much are you ingesting?
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: centerthedream]
#14116973 - 03/13/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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centerthedream said: Let us know how it goes.
I am drying some out in front of a wood stove as I speak.
How much are you ingesting?
Outsidethewall reported activity, he ate an 1/8th straight up...they are very mild but forsure psychoactive in his eyes.

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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14117159 - 03/13/11 11:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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outsidethewall said: I take that back about it feeling like cyans, feels more like acid to me... strange but good.
hm. i'm intrigued.. what level whould you say was achieved?
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14117177 - 03/13/11 11:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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outsidethewall said: these are an active species, no doubt in my mind now. It's only been about an hour and a half I'm steady tripping now It took less than an hour for them to kick in.
A mild trip though, feels similar to eating .3-.4 of cyans to me.
Check your PM's.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Rafiikii]
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centerthedream said: Let us know how it goes.
I am drying some out in front of a wood stove as I speak.
How much are you ingesting?
Outsidethewall reported activity, he ate an 1/8th straight up...they are very mild but forsure psychoactive in his eyes.

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I was referring to kel.kobro, but that is ok.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: centerthedream]
#14140729 - 03/18/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I ate some, it was mild, but it was a trip in itself I would say, enjoyable for sure. I will eat some again because they are showing up all over my cow field. Im beginning to think the "non-active" relatives of mushrooms that are known as active are in fact somewhat active themselves.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: kel.kobro]
#14141190 - 03/18/11 01:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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From earlier today

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I came across and left many pins.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14141328 - 03/18/11 02:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice pictures man, good to see you putting my camera to some good use!
I am down to take a lil walk around myself 
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14141367 - 03/18/11 02:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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outsidethewall said: I came across and left many pins.

Those pins look like something else maybe Psathyrella.
Interesting annulus on the Panaeolus, we don't see that often.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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outsidethewall said: I came across and left many pins.

Those pins look like something else maybe Psathyrella.
Interesting annulus on the Panaeolus, we don't see that often.
I was finding these in the field, didn't know what they were so I left them.

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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14144146 - 03/18/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have tested a quarter ounce of these panaeolas dried, I would say it's a moderate dose.
I ate them around 4 hours ago. I took a pic of what I ate before I ate them but on accident deleted the pic while I was tripping, one of the obvious signs I was tripping. still tripping.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: Rafiikii]
#14144278 - 03/18/11 04:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rafiikii said: Nice pictures man, good to see you putting my camera to some good use!
I am down to take a lil walk around myself 
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Yeah, when you're back in the Bay we'll go on a hunt for sure.
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14144417 - 03/18/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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outsidethewall said: I was finding these in the field, didn't know what they were so I left them.


Agrocybe pediades
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: The Thinker]
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outsidethewall said: I was finding these in the field, didn't know what they were so I left them.


Agrocybe pediades
Thanks for the ID
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Re: Mushroom Id please. East Bay, CA. with pics [Re: outsidethewall]
#14146066 - 03/18/11 10:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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they look more like common late winter yellow hypholoma to me
http://www.mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Hypholoma_capnoides.html
but either way, it's not edible and it's not active
these ones in your photos are probably the most common in wood chippy areas this late in the season, even tho the photos are grassy,. I'll bet there's a bit of wood debris buried under there somewhere
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outsidethewall said: I was finding these in the field, didn't know what they were so I left them.


Agrocybe pediades
Thanks for the ID
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