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Placebo Effect
    #14088543 - 03/08/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This may be going a bit quickly (I've got a lot of assumed premises in my argument so if you'd like me to clarify anything please just ask)

The human is actually controlled by a parasitic-type cell called DNA. The DNA is simply a code which defines the operational parameters of the host body. One piece of this code requires compulsory reproduction of the DNA cell. The DNA cell is basically a self-replicating organism much like any other single celled organism. However, the DNA does not have any sentience, nor can it survive on it's own without a host body.

In the case of human DNA it has somehow developed it's coding to also give the host body a higher sense of consciousness than the other host bodies on the planet (animals, plants, etc)

Now this advancement has given human DNA a distinct advantage over other species of DNA as is evident by the apparent homo sapien dominance of the globe.

But the greatest advantage that this 'complex consciousness' has yielded for human DNA is that it has created the ability to hide itself from the host body. The human consciousness naively believes that it is actually in control of the body and can make decisions for itself.

This is critical in providing the maximum possibility for the DNA to reproduce because the host body now has a reason to protect itself from harm. The consciousness of the host body falsely believes that it actually owns the body so it does everything it can to avoid pain and suffering. This is perfect for the DNA parasite because it has a self-protecting shell to reside in, which makes the task of reproducing much easier.

Now psychosomatic suffering is actually a defense mechanism of the consciousness. In order to maintain the illusion of seperateness and ego the consciousness must avoid all challenges to it's authority. when a human begins to adopt negative thought patterns it is a form of self-harm. Entertaining negative thoughts is contradictory to the role of the consciousness as protector of the host body.

If you become depressed and isolate yourself from other host bodies then this severely limits the chances of the DNA parasite from reproducing. It also has the effect of breaking down the illusion that the consciousness is something special, that it has some kind of worth or function outside of protecting the host body from harm.

In response to this attack the host body produces pain in an attempt to direct all thoughts to that pain. The hope is that the host body will seek treatment for the pain. and in doing this the host body initiates contact with other host bodies which increases chances of DNA reproduction. When this is achieved there is no need for pain anymore so it vanishes.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz]
    #14088634 - 03/08/11 07:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all of this would make sense, if you could show how dna is actually dominant over our consciousness.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: dob1026]
    #14088652 - 03/08/11 07:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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all of this would make sense, if you could show how dna is actually dominant over our consciousness.




It is not dominant. The DNA creates the consciousness. The consciousness is simply an extension of the DNA.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz]
    #14088670 - 03/08/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

OK.
so ill be nice and ask questions instead of automatically asserting how ridiculous this theory is.
perhaps im missing something ?

How is dna - a cell ?

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The DNA is simply a code which defines the operational parameters of the host body.




Afaik DNA is the code that basically builds the entire body.
in a sense.. your theory could be translated into - i build a house that is intelligent and self aware and i live in it.
But wouldn't that require that i am first self aware and intelligent ?

I'm sure plenty of folks on this forum will step up and shit all over your thread with facts you might not even be aware of.
Before that happens, it would be smart to add some scientific data to even remotely back up what you're saying here.
Otherwise.. it just looks like you thought of this on the shitter without putting too much thought into it.

so yes..
please clarify anyway you can.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: jivJaN]
    #14088709 - 03/08/11 08:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's funny how the spiritualists always use the tactic 'it's logically possible for such and such a theory to be true", yet when they are presented with a theory they don't agree with they refuse to accept that it is logically possible.

This theory of mine is very hard for the ego to accept so I am expecting that most people on here will disagree with it and I am prepared for many people the shit all over it...


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz]
    #14088758 - 03/08/11 08:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dna is merely genetic code, not a omnipotent entity that creates you for the sole purpose of manipulating you to reproduce


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: dob1026]
    #14088765 - 03/08/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I agree, that's why I stated this;
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However, the DNA does not have any sentience, nor can it survive on it's own without a host body.




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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz]
    #14088774 - 03/08/11 08:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The human is actually controlled by a parasitic-type cell called DNA.


That would depend on what you mean by 'control'; DNA is not a cell.


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The DNA is simply a code which defines the operational parameters of the host body. One piece of this code requires compulsory reproduction of the DNA cell. The DNA cell is basically a self-replicating organism much like any other single celled organism. However, the DNA does not have any sentience, nor can it survive on it's own without a host body.


DNA is not a cell, it's a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms (with the exception of RNA viruses); the DNA code does not require reproduction of the "DNA cell" separately from cells, rather, it requires the reproduction of cells that contain DNA.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying that DNA cannot "survive on its own"; DNA is not alive.


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Now this advancement has given human DNA a distinct advantage over other species of DNA as is evident by the apparent homo sapien dominance of the globe.


There are no "species" of DNA".


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But the greatest advantage that this 'complex consciousness' has yielded for human DNA is that it has created the ability to hide itself from the host body. The human consciousness naively believes that it is actually in control of the body and can make decisions for itself.


Why/how is this a naive belief? How has DNA hid itself from the host body?


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This is critical in providing the maximum possibility for the DNA to reproduce because the host body now has a reason to protect itself from harm. The consciousness of the host body falsely believes that it actually owns the body so it does everything it can to avoid pain and suffering.


I'm not sure why you think that is a false belief, and I'd be curious to see how you're defining 'ownership'; humans avoid pain and suffering mainly because they don't like it, not because they feel like they own their bodies.


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Now psychosomatic suffering is actually a defense mechanism of the consciousness. In order to maintain the illusion of seperateness...


There is no "illusion of separateness"; I find it hilarious that you mock pseudoscience, yet buy this bullshit. :lol:


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...and ego the consciousness must avoid all challenges to it's authority. when a human begins to adopt negative thought patterns it is a form of self-harm. Entertaining negative thoughts is contradictory to the role of the consciousness as protector of the host body.


How so, how do negative thoughts pose a risk to a person's life? I have read about how negative thoughts can cause the body stress, but beyond that, I don't see how entertaining negative thoughts poses a risk to a person's body, or their life.


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If you become depressed and isolate yourself from other host bodies then this severely limits the chances of the DNA parasite from reproducing. It also has the effect of breaking down the illusion that the consciousness is something special, that it has some kind of worth or function outside of protecting the host body from harm.


Consciousness can have any function that a person assigns to it, and it's possible for people to assign a function other than protecting the body from harm (i.e.- smoking a joint) to it.


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In response to this attack the host body produces pain in an attempt to direct all thoughts to that pain. The hope is that the host body will seek treatment for the pain. and in doing this the host body initiates contact with other host bodies which increases chances of DNA reproduction. When this is achieved there is no need for pain anymore so it vanishes.


WTF does any of this have to do with the placebo effect?


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz]
    #14088792 - 03/08/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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dna is merely genetic code, not a omnipotent entity that creates you for the sole purpose of manipulating you to reproduce



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Yes I agree, that's why I stated this;
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However, the DNA does not have any sentience, nor can it survive on it's own without a host body.





Things that aren't alive don't "survive"; I'm not sure about DNA, but fragments of RNA have been duplicated in the lab, so this means that it can exist (as opposed to survive) without a "host body". If RNA can exist without a host body, then it's likely that DNA can, too.

Also you must consider that the building blocks of DNA existed before creatures did, which means at some point, it existed without a host body.


I find it strange that you're equating DNA with parasites, they're not even remotely similar in function.


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This theory of mine is very hard for the ego to accept...


Jesus Christ, get the fuck over yourself. :facepalm:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid]
    #14088957 - 03/08/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We are but biochemical robots designed to protect our DNA... :yesnod:

Not sure what all of this has to do with the placebo effect, though.  Also isn't durantz ignoring you, Poid?  Don't think your dissection of his post will be all that helpful.  :lol:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: deCypher]
    #14089015 - 03/08/11 08:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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We are but biochemical robots designed to protect our DNA... :yesnod:


I would say that our design merely happens to protect our DNA. :stoned:


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Not sure what all of this has to do with the placebo effect, though.  Also isn't durantz ignoring you, Poid?  Don't think your dissection of his post will be all that helpful.  :lol:


Well I thought this was a somewhat interesting topic, and I'm willing to discuss it with others; also, I was thinking that maybe someone else might reiterate one of the points I made to him and elicit a response, which I could then rebut and have someone reiterate my rebuttal to him, causing him to make a response which I could then rebut...:nut:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid]
    #14089036 - 03/08/11 08:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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We are but biochemical robots designed to protect our DNA... :yesnod:


I would say that our design merely happens to protect our DNA. :stoned:




Merely happens or rather, evolved over millions of years to protect our DNA?  After all, those designs that protect our DNA better than other designs will tend to prevail over them in the long run due to natural selection.

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Not sure what all of this has to do with the placebo effect, though.  Also isn't durantz ignoring you, Poid?  Don't think your dissection of his post will be all that helpful.  :lol:


Well I thought this was a somewhat interesting topic, and I'm willing to discuss it with others; also, I was thinking that maybe someone else might reiterate one of the points I made to him and elicit a response, which I could then rebut and have someone reiterate my rebuttal to him, causing him to make a response which I could then rebut...:nut:




:lol: hope springs eternal.  :tongue:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid]
    #14089065 - 03/08/11 08:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DNA is not a cell, it's a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms (with the exception of RNA viruses)




RNA viruses aren't living organisms.  :nerd:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz] * 1
    #14089212 - 03/08/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's funny how the spiritualists always use the tactic 'it's logically possible for such and such a theory to be true", yet when they are presented with a theory they don't agree with they refuse to accept that it is logically possible.

This theory of mine is very hard for the ego to accept so I am expecting that most people on here will disagree with it and I am prepared for many people the shit all over it...




It's even funnier to see n00b spiritualists try to poke at my ego and blame it for my reluctance to agree with a shit theory while nonchalantly avoiding scrutiny.

@poid
what do you study again ?
please.
you're telling someone to get over themselves ?
After such blatantly overzealous attempts to discredit someone with pastes from wikipedia ??

Truth is.. you're probably no more knowledgeable on the topic than the op...


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I was thinking that maybe someone else might reiterate one of the points I made to him




I get the feeling that you use this logic a lot when you post.
Too bad your educated e-friends are too snobbish to even give this thread the time of their day.
Hopefully one day you'll start mimicking that as well so i dont have to endure anymore half witted ping pong matches with  n00bs that actually indulge your senseless queries  and plagiarized  pearls of wisdom and intellect.

adios


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: deCypher]
    #14089289 - 03/08/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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We are but biochemical robots designed to protect our DNA... :yesnod:


I would say that our design merely happens to protect our DNA. :stoned:




Merely happens or rather, evolved over millions of years to protect our DNA?  After all, those designs that protect our DNA better than other designs will tend to prevail over them in the long run due to natural selection.


My point is that saying that something is "designed" implies some sort of conscious designer; I think it's rather arbitrary to say that our bodies evolved over millions of years to protect DNA, one might as well say that our fingers evolved to be little individual growths on our arms. :shrug:

Different parts of our bodies serve functions for other parts, but this doesn't necessitate that they were designed to be this way, or that any part evolved for the sole purpose of serving a function for another part.


To quote Icelander, "Things just happen because they can.".

edit: I may be misinterpreting what you mean by "evolved to"--do you mean "evolved in such a way that it now...", or do you mean "evolved in order to fulfill the function of"?



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Not sure what all of this has to do with the placebo effect, though.  Also isn't durantz ignoring you, Poid?  Don't think your dissection of his post will be all that helpful.  :lol:


Well I thought this was a somewhat interesting topic, and I'm willing to discuss it with others; also, I was thinking that maybe someone else might reiterate one of the points I made to him and elicit a response, which I could then rebut and have someone reiterate my rebuttal to him, causing him to make a response which I could then rebut...:nut:




:lol: hope springs eternal.  :tongue:


Hopefully. :smirk:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid]
    #14089302 - 03/08/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, one could argue that the process of evolution/natural selection designed our phenotype, at least in some sense.  My point was simply that our design doesn't just "merely happen" to protect our DNA.  :tongue:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: deCypher]
    #14089338 - 03/08/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, one could argue that the process of evolution/natural selection designed our phenotype, at least in some sense.  My point was simply that our design doesn't just "merely happen" to protect our DNA.  :tongue:


I agree with that; by "merely happen", I wasn't trying to imply that it spontaneously happened, only that it wasn't caused by any special intelligence.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid]
    #14089372 - 03/08/11 09:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The intelligence of life, which may not be that intelligent at all but definitely seems to be so I guess that kind of refutes what you're trying to say but maybe not, uh huh.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: jivJaN]
    #14089413 - 03/08/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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@poid
what do you study again ?


What does it matter? There are lots of stupid people who study, and lots of geniuses who don't; point being, whether or not you study isn't necessarily an indication of how intelligent you are.


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please.
you're telling someone to get over themselves ?
After such blatantly overzealous attempts to discredit someone with pastes from wikipedia ??


What was wrong with those attempts, and what made you feel that they were overzealous? I'm telling him to get over himself because he obviously thinks very highly of himself, and this is indicated by the manner in which he posts, and by his statement "This theory of mine is hard for the go to accept..."; this statement shows that he believes those who do not accept it have a weaker ego than he does (since it is his theory, and he accepts it), it's nothing but pretentious "holier-than-thou" bullshit. It shows how highly he thinks of himself for developing this theory, which is hilarious because it's mostly bullshit; this is why I'm telling him to get over himself.

If you really think I'm not in the right in telling someone who thinks himself to be superior than others for developing a mostly-bullshit theory to get over themselves, then I don't know what to tell you. :shrug:


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Truth is.. you're probably no more knowledgeable on the topic than the op...


Um, I wasn't implying anything about being knowledgeable when I told him to get over himself, and I don't have to be more knowledgeable than him in order to be qualified to tell him to get over himself.


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I was thinking that maybe someone else might reiterate one of the points I made to him




I get the feeling that you use this logic a lot when you post.


No, I'm only using it now because I feel like conversing with a member who's ignoring me.


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Too bad your educated e-friends are too snobbish to even give this thread the time of their day.


What makes you think this means they're snobbish, and how do you know they're so educated? Have you asked them about their educational accomplishments?


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Hopefully one day you'll start mimicking that as well so i dont have to endure anymore half witted ping pong matches with  n00bs that actually indulge your senseless queries  and plagiarized  pearls of wisdom and intellect.

adios


My queries aren't senseless, I'm baffled that many people in this debate forum get bothered by people who tell them to clarify their positions; it's fucking childish and retarded. Also, my "pearls of wisdom and intellect" are not plagiarism, I usually only "plagiarize" when I want to provide a comprehensive definition for something. :lol:


Adios. :wexican:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Kickle]
    #14089425 - 03/08/11 09:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The intelligence of life, which may not be that intelligent at all but definitely seems to be so I guess that kind of refutes what you're trying to say but maybe not, uh huh.


Wait, what are you responding to? I'm confused...:undecided:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid] * 1
    #14089434 - 03/08/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:
I was trying to say as much as I could without saying anything...


...in one sentence.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Kickle]
    #14089464 - 03/08/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh...:lol:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz]
    #14089514 - 03/08/11 10:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think there might be a topic in the OP worth discussing, but the whole DNA/parasite thing is throwing us off. DNA is coded to instruct cell production, and contains the blueprint for the colony, so it's not possible for DNA to be a parasite of the body.

To frame the psychological aspect of your conclusion in other terms, it might come down to one instinctual drive in conflict with another instinctual drive. That's what comes to my mind, but I also enjoy thinking about the prominence of cellular life in relation to animals in general, and to humans. Insects have tiny brains, but jelly fish are one of many cellular colonies that have no brain at all. They have a neural network and the picture that comes to mind is that within the limited movement and function of a jelly fish, it is essentially a big cell made of cells, and doesn't really do much that a single celled organism can't do. The advantage of a neural network would be to increase the efficiency of stimulus-response across the colony. And plants of course have no need for brains and still manage to specialize cellular life.

The relationship is that brains need cells, but cells don't need brains until they're committed to them. An insect without a brain, and no doubt, a jellyfish with it's neural network removed, would have little chance. The orthonectida is one of the least complex multi cellular animals, and don't even have a neural network that can be identified as far as I'm aware. It's probable that barring a yet unseen network, that the signals of communication are passed directly from one cell to another. From Wikipedia:

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The adults are microscopic worm like animals, consisting of a single layer of ciliated outer cells surrounding a mass of sex cells. They swim freely within the bodies of their hosts, which include flatworms, polychaete worms, bivalve molluscs, and echinoderms. They are gonochoristic, with separate male and female individuals.[4]

When they are ready to reproduce, the adults are released from the host, and sperm from the males penetrates the bodies of the females to achieve internal fertilisation. The resulting zygote develops into a ciliated larva that escapes from the mother to seek out new hosts. Once it finds a host, the larva loses its cilia and develops into a syncitial plasmodium larva. This, in turn, breaks up into numerous individual cells that become the next generation of adults.




So brains and egos are much like circulatory systems and bones, roots and leaves. They're only necessary because some colonies made genetic commitments to them. I read an article detailing the recent domestication of foxes in Russia, and they have in little over fifty years been able to select affection towards humans as a dominant trait in a breed. They also kept and bred the foxes that were least affectionate into "human haters". More testing is needed, but they may have found the gene that causes this divergence of behaviour. Something interesting to think about in the nature -vs- nurture debate.

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If you become depressed and isolate yourself from other host bodies then this severely limits the chances of the DNA parasite from reproducing. It also has the effect of breaking down the illusion that the consciousness is something special, that it has some kind of worth or function outside of protecting the host body from harm.

In response to this attack the host body produces pain in an attempt to direct all thoughts to that pain. The hope is that the host body will seek treatment for the pain. and in doing this the host body initiates contact with other host bodies which increases chances of DNA reproduction. When this is achieved there is no need for pain anymore so it vanishes.




I disagree with the use of parasite (why not just 'DNA'?). Other than that I can identify with what you're saying, but I think depression and isolation can be valid strategies as well, and results are a mixed bag, though obviously the isolation must be broke at some point in order for it to be successful.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: BothHands]
    #14089550 - 03/08/11 10:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DNA is not a cell, it's a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms (with the exception of RNA viruses)




RNA viruses aren't living organisms.  :nerd:


That was Wikipedia's definition; I noticed that too, though, but I thought that the idea that viruses aren't living organisms is still under debate...


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Rahz]
    #14090231 - 03/09/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Rahz you seem to understand what I'm saying. Thanks for taking the time to consider.

I agree that the DNA is not a parasite. I just didn't quite know how to explain it. You explain it much better than I do.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid]
    #14090570 - 03/09/11 01:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DNA is not a cell, it's a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms (with the exception of RNA viruses)




RNA viruses aren't living organisms.  :nerd:


That was Wikipedia's definition; I noticed that too, though, but I thought that the idea that viruses aren't living organisms is still under debate...




We know what virus' are; to call them living or not is a matter of where we draw the line and that's it.  Life is connected to non-life as it is all part of the same system, our organization-fiending minds are the things that crease the flat sheet, so to speak.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14090625 - 03/09/11 01:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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...our organization-fiending minds are the things that crease the flat sheet, so to speak.


I fiend organization so hard. :syringe:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Poid]
    #14090662 - 03/09/11 01:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Grammar issues aside. :shrug:


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #14090713 - 03/09/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, I thought you typed it like that on purpose in order to add a subtle touch of humor to your post. :lol:

I agree with everything you said. :thumbup:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: jivJaN]
    #14090790 - 03/09/11 03:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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the apparent homo sapien dominance of the globe.




What does this mean and how is it defined?  What specifically causes you to believe this?  I think its difficult to have an objective view of such things because it requires fairly arbitrary measures.  i.e. lets say th emass of the organisms. While humans wouldn't win that, would it even matter where a particular organism is on that line?  Why?  To what end?  Same for quantity of organisms aned other metrics.


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DNA is not a cell, it's a nucleic acid that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms (with the exception of RNA viruses)




RNA viruses aren't living organisms.  :nerd:


That was Wikipedia's definition; I noticed that too, though, but I thought that the idea that viruses aren't living organisms is still under debate...





A pretty arbitrary debate.  Depends what you consider life- seems pretty semantic to me.

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durantz said:I was thinking that maybe someone else might reiterate one of the points I made to him




I get the feeling that you use this logic a lot when you post.
Too bad your educated e-friends are too snobbish to even give this thread the time of their day.
Hopefully one day you'll start mimicking that as well so i dont have to endure anymore half witted ping pong matches with  n00bs that actually indulge your senseless queries  and plagiarized  pearls of wisdom and intellect.

adios




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wtf are you talking about?  I can't tell if your trying to criticize the snoobish e-friends (who?), durantz, the forum, or everyone that isn't you.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: johnm214]
    #14090816 - 03/09/11 03:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think he's just criticizing me and the snobbish friends; he's responding to me there, I don't know why it says durantz in the quote box.


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fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: johnm214]
    #14091568 - 03/09/11 09:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What does this mean and how is it defined?  What specifically causes you to believe this?  I think its difficult to have an objective view of such things because it requires fairly arbitrary measures.  i.e. lets say th emass of the organisms. While humans wouldn't win that, would it even matter where a particular organism is on that line?  Why?  To what end?  Same for quantity of organisms aned other metrics.




Yes I had been thinking about this today. On the one hand it seems like humans are the most successful organism but then when you compare the number of humans to the number of bacteria it would not appear that we are.

But it may be that we are the most highly evolved organisms on the planet. And in a way we are able to manipulate all other organisms to our advantage (with the right technology)


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Re: Placebo Effect [Re: durantz]
    #14092240 - 03/09/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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isolate yourself from other host bodies then this severely limits the chances of the DNA parasite from reproducing




So if one were to isolate themselves, wouldn't dna want to keep the host alive longer for more of a chance to reproduce?


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