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We all just want attention!
#14088187 - 03/08/11 06:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally find this fact to be pretty hilarious in a somewhat absurd sort of way; what do you think are the spiritual/mystical implications of wanting attention from others? What does this say about the ego, and the desire to transcend it?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14088242 - 03/08/11 06:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just saw someone yesterday with dyed bright blue hair, except his was much longer funny coincidence..
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: deranger]
#14088281 - 03/08/11 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14088343 - 03/08/11 06:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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in terms of the ego it seems to me that it functions as a roundabout way to say: I made someone look. Which is really weird because the ego then wants "someone" to look at what it just did.
It wants a pat on its back, but from who???
I mean, generally speaking it isn't satisfied with just any attention, So there must be another layer of depth that evaluates the attention. A part it looks to in order to find out if its "good" attention.
And if it is told it did a good job, its like a dog getting a treat. Its all good until the treat is gone. Then it has to perform another trick.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Kickle]
#14088454 - 03/08/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: in terms of the ego it seems to me that it functions as a roundabout way to say: I made someone look. Which is really weird because the ego then wants "someone" to look at what it just did.
It wants a pat on its back, but from who???
I mean, generally speaking it isn't satisfied with just any attention, So there must be another layer of depth that evaluates the attention. A part it looks to in order to find out if its "good" attention.
I would say it looks to the perceived reaction of the received attention, and analyzes whether the reaction is positive or negative; if a certain form of attention feels good, then it decides that it's "good" attention.
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AlphaFalfa said: And if it is told it did a good job, its like a dog getting a treat. Its all good until the treat is gone. Then it has to perform another trick.
This is one reason why I think humans are really weird; all we do is spend our lives perfecting our tricks, and performing them for one another...
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14088514 - 03/08/11 07:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah but it is a pretty complex analysis. I mean, if someone I don't know reacts positively or negatively, what do I care? If someone I dislike reacts negatively, I might find enjoyment. And if someone I admire reacts negatively, I'm beating that effing dog.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Kickle]
#14088575 - 03/08/11 07:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I mean, if someone I don't know reacts positively or negatively, what do I care?
Empaths are very sensitive to people's emotional reactions to them, so I'd imagine they'd care a lot about whether someone they don't know reacts positively or negatively towards them.
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Kickle said: If someone I dislike reacts negatively, I might find enjoyment.
I love that feeling! 
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Kickle said: And if someone I admire reacts negatively, I'm beating that effing dog.

I think the fact that we perpetually seek to manipulate our environment in order to receive certain reactions from it that cause us to feel emotionally satisfied goes to show how emotionally vulnerable we really are; we can't just be happy without something in our environment to cause us to be happy, and we're very picky about the kinds of things we seek to cause that happiness (in that we seek certain somewhat precise conditions).
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14088705 - 03/08/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree. Loving your inner dog regardless of what it does is difficult. Especially when we get all idealistic with our notion of love.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid] 1
#14088729 - 03/08/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: I personally find this fact to be pretty hilarious in a somewhat absurd sort of way; what do you think are the spiritual/mystical implications of wanting attention from others? What does this say about the ego, and the desire to transcend it?

Poid all I can say is you've been doing your homework.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Icelander] 1
#14088827 - 03/08/11 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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No offense, but what does that say about you, the fact you are pointing out something you find 'stupid'? To spread it to others? For what reason? That's you seeking attention also.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: giza]
#14088925 - 03/08/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I agree. Loving your inner dog regardless of what it does is difficult. Especially when we get all idealistic with our notion of love.
True dat, dawg. 
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giza said: No offense, but what does that say about you, the fact you are pointing out something you find 'stupid'? To spread it to others? For what reason? That's you seeking attention also. 
I never said that I find it to be stupid, I said that I find it to be "pretty hilarious in a somewhat absurd sort of way"; I know I'm seeking attention by spreading this to others, I never denied this and I don't think it says much about me other than that I like discussing the more hilarious/absurd aspects of the human condition.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14088935 - 03/08/11 08:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, I see, thank you for not taking offense to it.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid] 1
#14089003 - 03/08/11 08:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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AlphaFalfa said: And if someone I admire reacts negatively, I'm beating that effing dog.

I think the fact that we perpetually seek to manipulate our environment in order to receive certain reactions from it that cause us to feel emotionally satisfied goes to show how emotionally vulnerable we really are; we can't just be happy without something in our environment to cause us to be happy, and we're very picky about the kinds of things we seek to cause that happiness (in that we seek certain somewhat precise conditions).
I couldn't agree more. Humans are all emotionally vulnerable, some more than others though. Some don't show it as much. I find it a very respectable trait when an individual has things in their life that could give them attention yet they don't react to it with pleasure; such as a wealthy individual who drives an average car, dresses average, and doesn't mention his wealth in conversation. We as humans also consider bragging or cockiness to be unattractive traits; they are both forms of attention seeking made obvious. Along those lines is desperation, another trait that humans dislike in others.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14089009 - 03/08/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: I personally find this fact to be pretty hilarious in a somewhat absurd sort of way; what do you think are the spiritual/mystical implications of wanting attention from others? What does this say about the ego, and the desire to transcend it?
Indeed. It's a good recognition to come to when working to lessen the ego. Here's an exercise: See if you can read posts without posting in them.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14089132 - 03/08/11 09:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: Here's an exercise: See if you can read posts without posting in them.
I always knew lurking was spiritual!
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: deCypher]
#14089205 - 03/08/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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irie.one said: I find it a very respectable trait when an individual has things in their life that could give them attention yet they don't react to it with pleasure; such as a wealthy individual who drives an average car, dresses average, and doesn't mention his wealth in conversation.
Yeah I also think modesty can be an admirable trait, but I don't see anything wrong with rich people who buy nice things.
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irie.one said: We as humans also consider bragging or cockiness to be unattractive traits; they are both forms of attention seeking made obvious. Along those lines is desperation, another trait that humans dislike in others.
, this is so true I just had to giggle. We can smell desperation from a mile away, and tend to not treat desperate people as well as we do others. 
This just shows how ruthless humans are; when one is in a state of desperation, instead of offering to help, we give the cold shoulder. We see those in desperate moments and we look down upon their situation instead of lifting them up from it.
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Poid said: I personally find this fact to be pretty hilarious in a somewhat absurd sort of way; what do you think are the spiritual/mystical implications of wanting attention from others? What does this say about the ego, and the desire to transcend it?
Indeed. It's a good recognition to come to when working to lessen the ego. Here's an exercise: See if you can read posts without posting in them.
There are lots of threads/posts that I don't feel interested enough to respond to. 
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c0sm0nautt said: Here's an exercise: See if you can read posts without posting in them.
I always knew lurking was spiritual! 
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Kickle]
#14089477 - 03/08/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I agree. Loving your inner dog regardless of what it does is difficult. Especially when we get all idealistic with our notion of love.
I have only pure hate for my inner dog. Works like permanant ego oppression. It empties my cup, then the flow flows in. My beaten dog still likes the attention.
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I love beating my inner dog soooo much. It's like punching myself in the face 
More to your post, I can't really see how hatred could accomplish emptiness. Suppressing the ego just ensures it will come back stronger, no?
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14089646 - 03/08/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The root of every emotion is its opposite. Pure hatred is true love. Hate is the only way that I can love myself. The only place where I utterly accept my limitations.
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usulpsychonaut said: The root of every emotion is its opposite.
How do you figure? Does every emotion even have an opposite?
If the root of every emotion is its opposite, then that means that every emotion is rooted in itself...
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usulpsychonaut said: Pure hatred is true love. Hate is the only way that I can love myself. The only place where I utterly accept my limitations.
How is pure hatred true love, and why is that the only way that you can love yourself? Are you feeling alright?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: deCypher]
#14089682 - 03/08/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: Here's an exercise: See if you can read posts without posting in them.
I always knew lurking was spiritual! 

Even in daily life when having a conversation with friends. Seeing if you can not add in your 2cents to everything (like most people do) is a good exercise. It can be liberating at times.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: c0sm0nautt] 1
#14089917 - 03/08/11 11:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: Here's an exercise: See if you can read posts without posting in them.
I always knew lurking was spiritual! 

Even in daily life when having a conversation with friends. Seeing if you can not add in your 2cents to everything (like most people do) is a good exercise. It can be liberating at times.
This is a good demonstration of patience, and can even be beneficial in conversations; everyone wants to talk and be heard. It's good to be a listener for someone, they'll appreciate it. Ironically, this serves as a way of giving attention to the talker. Being a quiet observer has always been a trait of mine, I like keeping my thoughts to myself sometimes. Plus sitting there waiting for someone to get done talking when you have a thought to share with them tends to take your focus away from the conversation which hurts both parties. Learning to listen is a good skill .
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: irie.one]
#14090039 - 03/08/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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We get chemically addicted to our behaviours, then it's emotional chaos to break free of it, as I'm learning. I have a little problem with wanting attention but mostly, it's a desire to get attention from women.
Sometimes my, er, omnisex attention seeking masquerades as a political or spiritual statement.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: circastes]
#14090072 - 03/08/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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circastes said: We get chemically addicted to our behaviours, then it's emotional chaos to break free of it, as I'm learning. I have a little problem with wanting attention but mostly, it's a desire to get attention from women.
Sometimes my, er, omnisex attention seeking masquerades as a political or spiritual statement.
At least your desire for attention stems from a desire for sex, that's a bit more excusable than a desire for attention just for the ego's fulfillment .
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: irie.one]
#14090161 - 03/08/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Having sex can fulfill the ego.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14090247 - 03/09/11 12:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Didn't think of that, you're very correct. I think it satisfies more than just the ego though .
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
#14091003 - 03/09/11 05:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the desire to transcend the ego is part vanity and part a burning desire not to live life within an unconscious dream state.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Grapefruit]
#14091013 - 03/09/11 05:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you saying that those who have egos are living a life within an unconscious dream state?
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
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Not necessarily, I don't know if unconsciousness even has anything to do with ego and I wouldn't be so presumptuous as to say anything for certain about anyone else. However I have experienced certain events in my own life that have led me to believe I was being unconscious of things previous to that and that I am currently living within an unconscious dream state totally under the egos control, I can feel the fog and haze of it everywhere and I don't like it.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Grapefruit]
#14091035 - 03/09/11 06:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I see what you're saying.
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Jed Mckenna (a somewhat unorthodox fictional enlightened spiritual guru who like playing video games, drinking and smoking the odd cigar ) says the first thing he ever read that contributed to his own awakening was a book (can't remember the title) about how to read books properly at that point he noticed that despite reading hundreds of book he'd never really read a single one and they'd been more like trophies. He went back and read a lot of books again since then but he says this is the kind of thing that causes people known worlds to be shattered and not the pleasant quaint abstractions most gurus throw out.
His style of prose is awesome, very witty and his books very interesting, I recommend giving him a read. You can find all three on filestube with a simple search.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Poid]
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usulpsychonaut said: The root of every emotion is its opposite.
How do you figure? Does every emotion even have an opposite?
This would mean that every emotion is rooted in itself...
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usulpsychonaut said: Pure hatred is true love. Hate is the only way that I can love myself. The only place where I utterly accept my limitations.
How is pure hatred true love, and why is that the only way that you can love yourself? Are you feeling alright?
It really comes down to a choice of living out an ego illusion or living in Wyrd (Nirvana, Tao, Zen, holy spirit, chaos). One must turn on awareness, tune in to Wyrd and drop out of meaningless activities. My ego is not a functional personality; I hate its ideas about how to behave. If I don’t hate it, then I am not aware of it, then it becomes my personality. Hating my ego shrinks my ego, which makes room for Wyrd. If I don’t hate my ego it expands. It fills my cup and leaves no room for Wyrd. I don’t see any problem with wanting attention.
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I rather enjoy walking outside without anyone noticing me almost invisible to the world. When I was younger and traveling in Asia for the first time for a while I felt an almost constant need to get some company, but the only attention I really attracted with that needy "vibration" was of the local scam artists, you know the types that come to you with the attitude of being your best friend. I never got scammed myself but I've heard quite a few stories from other travelers. I think ultimately what I was looking for was not the perfect beach or some kind of a friendly community to hang out in, but rather I was looking for a peace of mind from all the conditioning that is, for example, the cause of the feeling that I have to have company to be happy. There is a natural urge of course to meet people and hang out, but there's no real urge to get anyone's attention in that communal space. When attention is moving around and flowing freely that's when we actually enjoy our time together. You can even be silent in this space, and it's only the conditioned mind that finds silence or the "lack" of attention uncomfortable. When attention is drawn to a specific person it's usually driven by some need and IMO it's very boring. Boring into the personality is boring, and the only reason we do it is because we feel like someone is being left out or there's some problem that has to be solved.
I'm starting to feel like psychology is rather unnecessary, as it is only giving interested attention to that which is unreal. On a different day I might say otherwise and quote Ken Wilber or something.. Maybe detached analysis and attention to the "personality" can uncover some hidden pain, and that might be very useful, but in this process there's no conclusion to reach nor any judgement to pass on anything, and in this IMO most people are probably biased since we tend to believe in conclusions and judgements due to our conditioning. That's why I don't like attention, except maybe from someone who I can trust is supremely detached.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Tony]
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Our ego's want attention. Some people are entirely run by ego's and live off of attention rather than love which is what nurtures the soul.
If you are famous or popular people will flock to you to share your spotlight and mooch some attention like moths to a lamp. But there is not necessarily a genuine connection between the people...there could just be a parasitic relationship going on where the people around you don't feed you with love but feed your ego with egotistically promotional attention while also subtly taking or sharing some of your attention from the crowd.
People are attracted to different people for different reasons...love is the ideal and most natural and genuine attraction but it can be scary to realize how fake people can be in their relationships when they are led their out of the need to be apart of something. So it is fear that has led them to their fakeness but once they feel accepted or they accept themselves they start to allocate their selves a proportional amount of love and they may no longer crave un-fulfilling attention. However many people in this rat race never feel a sufficient amount of acceptance and so they continually put others down and put negative attention on them to subconsciously reinforce in their mind that they are apart of something.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Tony]
#14152592 - 03/20/11 07:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your posting this here says otherwise imo. Don't give up on the introspection, you've only scratched the surface.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Icelander]
#14152646 - 03/20/11 07:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Your posting this here says otherwise imo. Don't give up on the introspection, you've only scratched the surface. 
Maybe. But I'm not really here. It's just a virtual identity in cyberspace. I could stop posting and no one would miss me for one second. Which is great. I actually feel awkward when someone says they miss me. Miss what? My face? My personality? Hardly. An experience? What?? I know my ex misses me because she likes to be chased and wanted, and I miss her because I like her booty, and maybe I also like to be wanted. It's a strange web. But really on the deepest level I love peace in which there is no attention on any need, the rest is kinda superficial and comic.
Is this post also begging for attention? Maybe. So, I just proved your point. But the whole thing can be so easily ignored as well. The problem IMO is not asking for attention, the problem is giving the wrong kind of attention. That's when the trouble starts to cook, feeling pity and superiority rather than being aware of the fact that suffering is often just a pretence of the ego and that we're all on level ground.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Tony]
#14152654 - 03/20/11 07:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, but what is interesting is we often don't agree with what we "know" to be true. For instance I believe with some part of myself that there is no real "I" or "me". Yet here I am typing this as if I do believe it. Which of course some part of me does. It's a very interesting thing don't you agree.
You might be very interested in the Documentary I posted in Philosophy. It's about cells and cell death and somehow in my mind there is a connection here but I can't yet put it into words. Maybe you will.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Icelander]
#14152687 - 03/20/11 08:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I still haven't really got to the bottom of 'I' either. Seems there are so many distractions.. I'll check out the doc, though I can't say I really have much credence in a theory being able to erase our fear of freedom. It has to be so much simpler than an intellectual theory, which you can't hold onto anyhow without constantly using your memory. The simplicity of it is so obvious when you take mushrooms, it's just there, already, free of all fears and needs, spacious.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Tony]
#14152844 - 03/20/11 09:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I really have much credence in a theory being able to erase our fear of freedom.
This vid makes no such assertions.
In the end that all comes down to chemical interactions imo. When I'm flooded with serotonin I feel and act very different than when I'm getting low amounts. This is self evident imo.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Icelander]
#14153056 - 03/20/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hope and fervent belief are the two main malleable structures behind suffering IMO. Undermining these structures cools things down somewhat. Looking at death and no self is a good way to do so.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Grapefruit]
#14153075 - 03/20/11 10:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh I agree. However I might never have done so had I not had some low grade depression to deal with. Depression imo is for most the only state that will allow one to look into the idea of death realistically. How interesting.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Icelander]
#14153096 - 03/20/11 10:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah that's very true, although ironically for a long time I'm pretty sure I looked at death as a means to get away from death anxiety! That's the hope structure, "if I look into death x will happen". I think maybe a fundamental understanding of no self is really a prerequisite to properly looking at death. Otherwise it is seen as something that happens to just ego and there is no "body knowing".
Suffering is what brings about change in life and really in many ways it's a good thing. A natural side effect of honesty and realism where there hasn't been before.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Grapefruit]
#14153188 - 03/20/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: Suffering is what brings about change in life and really in many ways it's a good thing. A natural side effect of honesty and realism where there hasn't been before.
very true. It's like how natural selection and evolution wouldn't work without death. Suffering is the fire that produces transformation.
@ poid: yeah we all want attention, it's because the attention is essentially what you are, so when we receive it from others it's just looking at yourself in a way.
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Grapefruit]
#14155270 - 03/20/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grapefruit said: I think maybe a fundamental understanding of no self is really a prerequisite to properly looking at death. Otherwise it is seen as something that happens to just ego and there is no "body knowing".
Not really following here grapefruit. Can you elaborate?
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Re: We all just want attention! [Re: Cups]
#14158057 - 03/21/11 06:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I actually find it hard to describe what I mean and it comes off the back of my own experiences. Perhaps I'm phrasing it wrong I don't know. Something like there is a difference between your character knowing it's going to die and gaining an understanding of how life & death operates in the universe. The physical laws of no self if you like. Both are useful although the first requires a lot more maintenance (always over your shoulder) which is easier to uphold in lue of the second.
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