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Karma question
    #14087478 - 03/08/11 03:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Say I were to go to the store and knock a few boxes on the ground.

If my intent was for someone to clean up a mess that wasn't theirs so they'd gain some positive karma, wouldn't that create positive karma for me also?


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14087485 - 03/08/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So if I were to do something negative and it caused someone to gain positive, would this not grant me positive also?


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14087508 - 03/08/11 04:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

intention is very important for karma, if you truly had positive intention with the action it would likely have positive results for you.

an example in mahayana buddhism is murdering a serial killer. even though murder is a negative action, if it's done with compassion for the future victims (and for the killer, as he'll suffer the karma), then it can be a positive action.


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14087518 - 03/08/11 04:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I will have to check that part of buddhism out, so far I've got a good idea of the tripitaka/dharmmapadda(spelling?)

So with good intent whether it be dubbed good/evil you would gain the positive?


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14087566 - 03/08/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

according to the mahayana, yes. according to theravada, no. in the theravada, negative acts are considered negative irregardless of intent, whereas in the mahayana, intent dictates the action's effects.


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Re: Karma question [Re: deff]
    #14087595 - 03/08/11 04:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Which came first? The mahayana or the theravada?

If mahayana came first then the result of it, created the theravada meaning the theravada would be considered the right path, because people followed the mahayana and found out that the intent thing was wrong which produced the theravada, right?

Sorry for all the questions, but because of karma this would be a gain for you and me.


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14087647 - 03/08/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, nevermind I found it, it's vice-versa.
Theravada then Mahayana. That answers my question, thank you for the responses.


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14087671 - 03/08/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Came up with another question..

If I were to turn someone to buddhism, and that person believes it and their life is impacted greatly by it, I know this would give me positive karma, but would I gain more karma everytime that person benefits from a teaching?

Like everytime the person gains positive karma because of me turning him to buddhism would this give me positive everytime he gains a positive, so it would be a life-long thing?


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14088472 - 03/08/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i don't know the specifics of karma with respect to your question, but i'd guess it's possible for it to go either way on that :shrug:


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Re: Karma question [Re: deff]
    #14088804 - 03/08/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I had a chance to ponder this some more..

Now since we have the ability to give positive karma, then we would have the ability to give negative karma to those who deserve it, would we not?


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14089158 - 03/08/11 09:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's a question: is it better to do good things just because they're good or because you're expecting positive karma from doing them?


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Re: Karma question [Re: deCypher]
    #14089224 - 03/08/11 09:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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giza said:
I had a chance to ponder this some more..

Now since we have the ability to give positive karma, then we would have the ability to give negative karma to those who deserve it, would we not?




you can't give someone positive or negative karma, only a person's own actions can do this for themselves.

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deCypher said:
Here's a question: is it better to do good things just because they're good or because you're expecting positive karma from doing them?




better to do good without expectations, though doing good for any reason is good !


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Re: Karma question [Re: deff]
    #14089270 - 03/08/11 09:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I see no difference.

When one changes their life for good karma, is that one's intent not to gain good karma?


I've incorporated this system into my life recently, so I had a few questions regarding gaining positive and the ways of gaining it, so that if I make a mistake the result will not be as major.


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14089277 - 03/08/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Giza, do you believe that having positive karma will be beneficial as far as which afterlife you enter, or do you believe that it will yield positive effects in this life?


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14089278 - 03/08/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

@deff, Thanks, I thought so too, thank you for confirming.


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14089286 - 03/08/11 09:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, in this and the next, but I am eager to see if you can gain enough good karma to increase longevity.


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14089356 - 03/08/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

how do you know that your positive acts of karma weren't already expressions from your previous incarnations?

I think any act of benevolence with the expectation of personal gain is rendered irrelevant.

Can you try to focus on removing the causes of your associated negative karma?


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14089376 - 03/08/11 09:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I also noticed this too, so I'll share.

I noticed alot of monks go into exile,
Now this would be beneficial if you do not want to put yourself in situations where you could gain bad karma. If you are by yourself there are less ways to lose karma. It would put a person in a state of no good karma or bad.

But in society, there are many ways to gain good karma, but there are also a lot more ways you could lose it, especially if your thoughts are not well-disciplined.

In my opinion anyway. Just thought of it so haven't been able to put it in better words yet.


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Re: Karma question [Re: giza]
    #14089392 - 03/08/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can erase the expectation easily, I have exiled myself pretty much about 6 years ago, and reading buddhism I realized all the benefits of it.


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Re: Karma question [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #14089737 - 03/08/11 10:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Giza, do you believe that having positive karma will be beneficial as far as which afterlife you enter, or do you believe that it will yield positive effects in this life?




IMO, it is stupid to do things for the sake of good karma. That intent is selfish. Doing thangs to help others would surely be superior.

I also believe this idea of karma may be part of a larger pattern spanning many levels of reality and perhaps other lives or states of being... Looking at it all from a one physical life perspective may be a fallacy, and you might get mad when a life of accumulating "good karma" leaves you bleeding out on the street corner.


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