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first bulk attempt.
    #14085575 - 03/08/11 08:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

is there any type of bulk substrate that i can make with brf, coarse + medium verm and peatmoss? id love to try a bulk tray but i also want to use the materials i have already.

i was thinking of making a tray with the a course verm + peatmoss then coating it with a nice bit of brf and then spawning  a grain jar to that. would that work or would it fail to colonize?

any help here would be hot.
thanks guys the shroomery is the best

UPDATE

later down i decided to do a straw + Coir + Corse Verm tray spawned. heres the pictures up to now.






and a little knot cluster


update, knots to pins, pins to fruits :smile: its coming along. i pulled the substrate out of the tray so that it can fruit like a cake, i will dunk and roll it after this flush i think :smile:




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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14085612 - 03/08/11 08:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Peat isn't suitable.
You can spawn to wet verm, 'rez effect' it's called.
A brick of coir seems to be in your future.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: Doc_T]
    #14085618 - 03/08/11 08:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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You are clearly getting started.  Pick out an existing tek and follow it to the letter.

You will have chances to adapt the method as you go forward.

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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: Doc_T]
    #14085623 - 03/08/11 08:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

do you have any links to that verm idea. should there be any nutrient added? or just straight verm, yah im thinking of going to the pet store today and getting a block of coir.

should i use a larger tray for these than my casings where i used a rather large  tray  about 4 inches deep and 5 diameter.

or should i make a tub specifically for spawn and not use a sgfc.

this is my first steps into the world of spawn and it would be awesome if you help me with some of the subtle details involved.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14085636 - 03/08/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

FFS dude, you want us to come grow them for you too?

Go read for a couple weeks, come back here and ask questions that show you've done some homework.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14085637 - 03/08/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't use brf for a bulk substrate. Never hurts to try though... And peat moss is usually used for casings. Look up what mushroom like and try and find things that have alot of it in it. Experminting is research and trial and error based on logical information to find out new things.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: Javadog]
    #14085639 - 03/08/11 08:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

You are clearly getting started.  Pick out an existing tek and follow it to the letter.

You will have chances to adapt the method as you go forward.

Good luck,

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getting started in bulk yes. but ive had great success pulling ounces out of small trays over a few flushes, and my pf cake tec has gotten quite good. just looking to expand on the ideas you shoomery pals have given me.

i just wanna use what i got. money isnt an issue so if i really need some coir then lets go get some i say, but im intrested in trying something new or getting results from something that hasnt been done much.

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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: Doc_T]
    #14085643 - 03/08/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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FFS dude, you want us to come grow them for you too?






sure id love you too, ive seen your stuff and id love to have you here do show me your ways, but im just looking for your words of experience. do you grow your cubes with a bulk substrate, if so what would you use.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14085646 - 03/08/11 08:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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do you have any links to that verm idea. should there be any nutrient added? or just straight verm, yah im thinking of going to the pet store today and getting a block of coir. :awethumb:

should i use a larger tray for these than my casings where i used a rather large  tray  about 4 inches deep and 5 diameter.

or should i make a tub specifically for spawn and not use a sgfc.

this is my first steps into the world of spawn and it would be awesome if you help me with some of the subtle details involved.




Go get the coir brotha. You'll be mighty happy. While you're out pick up a large tub for you bulk spawn. Check out Damion5050 Coir Tek here

Also, check the first few pages of the AMU Link in my signature. We've got lots of bulk teks in there.

As for the straight verm, :justdontknow: Never done PF tek...Just went straight to grains -> coir+verm--> :scaryshroom:


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14085658 - 03/08/11 08:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

thanks thats a good link.

if i used a smaller tub i assume i could do that with smaller ratio of sub and spawn. i have 4 jars filled with a P.cube blue meanie (keeper). should i use all them for one tub?


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14085666 - 03/08/11 08:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if i were to use a Styrofoam cooler ( a large one used for shipping medicine ) would i be advised to line the bottom with something or would the myc be fine against Styrofoam


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14085673 - 03/08/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Use all of them for that recipe, unless you just use less coir+verm mixture.

I'd line the bottom of the cooler w/ a trashbag just to be sure...


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14085738 - 03/08/11 09:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

4 jars of quart spawn or 4 jars of what?


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: mycobeginner]
    #14086758 - 03/08/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i have 4 cups of spawn. not quarts

therefore i figure ill just change the ratios to cups rather than quarts.

i went out and bought some coir and just happened to stumble across some straw on the side of the road, so i grabbed a handful of that shit and now im in business. my spawn jars should be done colonizing by the weeks end that will give me time to prepare a mono tub or something.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14086839 - 03/08/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

4 cups = 1 quart...

Do you have a way of properly pasteurizing the straw? If not, put it outside for awhile until you can.

You're not going to have enough spawn for a mono. I'd recommend A Tub on Tub FC or Make a small bulk substrate & put it in your SGFC or whatever cake FC you have.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14086966 - 03/08/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

cool so i can just make a bulk tray and throw er in my sgfc and call it a day sounds good. what is the proper way to pasteurize straw? ill use the search too but if you have a link handy hook er up


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14086979 - 03/08/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if i were to take a big tube sock and stuff it full of straw and pasteurize in a pot of water and boil for 2 hours would that be sufficient? or is there a more advance form of pasteurization needed for straw


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: jimmyjame1]
    #14087009 - 03/08/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

That's closer to sterilization. Pasteurization is holding the object between 140-165 for 1 hour...Now that's the center of the straw for 1 hour @ 140, not the exterior.

I'd seriously hold off on anything that needs to be truly pasteurized for now. Just got w/ coir+verm it works great & you won't be disappointed.

Be sure to let your bulk substrate consolidate for 2-3 days once it's 100% also. I normally just leave mine till they start pinning in the tubs then introduce to fruiting conditions.


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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14087320 - 03/08/11 03:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A great way to pasutize straw is in an ice chest. with water around 160 (have to maintain 140-160 F for atleast an hour). use an FC lid to hold the straw under.


Also if you going to add other (more fine ingredients) then mix them all up with your straw and put into a porus pillow case and tie it off at the top. then submerdge for the duration of pasturization.

(be careful though i had the bottom of one of my pillow cases stat loosing threads and almost spilled the sub all over lol).

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Re: bulk sub questions [Re: NamRedruM0016]
    #14087344 - 03/08/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do coir! Its is so easy and cheap no pH issues or anything. Just pasturize and mix with spawn and its ready to go without any additives.


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