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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Boozie]
    #14081130 - 03/07/11 01:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Do between 1:1 and 1:2 (spawn to coir mix)for your first time.....I recently did a 1 to 1.5 and damn that fucker is colonizing QUICK....

As for pasteurization do it like RR does in the video.  In jars with a meat thermometer in the middle of one of them.  This way you are sure you pasteurize perfectly.  The bucket tek works for alot of people don't get me wrong, but that is the lazy way to go.  If you want perfect pasteurization do it RR's way.  If you do, and have your jars ready to go in the pot of water....Bring the water to a full boil until the thermometer reads like 120-130 in the middle of the jar.  Then shut your heat almost all the way off and watch the temp increase to like 140-150.  When it begins to dip then increase the heat some if you need to.  It takes some playing around with this to get it right but I think its the way to go.


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14081145 - 03/07/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

or spawn to poo....whatever


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14081150 - 03/07/11 01:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if they're pasteurizing manure via bucket tek...then they're def not properly doing it


as been stated over and over again, coir is a bit different and allows you to do so, but manure will contam on ya in a heartbeat if you do not properly pasteurze it.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Boozie]
    #14081170 - 03/07/11 01:43 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

fuck i got trolled  :facepalm:

either way i guess it depends on how you read your sentence, Wizards.

"the coir-bucket-tek will not produce the same results if poop is added... from what I understand it will be a muddy mess, and the bucket-tek does not actually 'pasteurize' anything (just what I've read)."

i took it to mean that you were adding a little anecdote at the end as if to say "besides, the bucket tek doesn't pasteurize anything anyway" with the inclusion of the word "and," further justified by the quotes around "pasteurize."  re-reading it i can see how it could be exclusively talking about manure.  either way i get your point and i don't want to argue phrasing semantics anyway.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14081247 - 03/07/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I thought I had already explained in the first place along with the others... NOW, you have to do more research and testing.... :picard:

it's been done

just soak it in :sun:

just kidding man, no harm - no foul

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fuck i got trolled  :facepalm:

either way i guess it depends on how you read your sentence, Wizards.

"the coir-bucket-tek will not produce the same results if poop is added... from what I understand it will be a muddy mess, and the bucket-tek does not actually 'pasteurize' anything (just what I've read)."

i took it to mean that you were adding a little anecdote at the end as if to say "besides, the bucket tek doesn't pasteurize anything anyway" with the inclusion of the word "and," further justified by the quotes around "pasteurize."  re-reading it i can see how it could be exclusively talking about manure.  either way i get your point and i don't want to argue phrasing semantics anyway.




yeah, sorry if that was confusing

I understand man, the phrasing was meant to go a different direction and was trying my damnedest to help get my point across without sounding like a douche...

but :poop: happens
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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14081256 - 03/07/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Straight coir tubs aren't great anyway. I personally do mixed coir subs and use the pillowcase pasteurization method. What does everyone else do with their mixed subs?


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14081448 - 03/07/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Olala! Thread went a little bendy, and stuff. Anyway, the bucket method is appealing, as is the contamination-resistant properties of coir. However, I find myself to be a poop sort of guy. To each their own, right?

So let me redirect the stipulation this way: I suppose I could do some math to figure out the logistics of my required quantities, but then why did I study sociology and social control at University? (lulz).

If I'm not mistaken, D5050 says he uses 5 quarts of spawn per bucket-coir-tek. I do not remember what size tub this works for (halp!). How many quarts of poop(I use about 60/35/5, manure/verm/gyspum) would it take to equal one bucket-tek worth of coir?

If the average recommendation is 1:4, let's say, then logically I could use 5 quarts of spawn and 20 quarts of pasteurized smellies. How big of a tub are we talkin' now, given the substrate, without casing, would sit at 4"?

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14081666 - 03/07/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

64 qt tubs are popular.  I think there are 105 qt available, and various others... but for best performance whatever the size, I would recommend filling said tub (1/3 - 1/4) of the total volume with your (sub. + spawn) mixture.

for example a 64 qt tub
64 / 4 = 16 qts
64 / 3 = ~21 qts
so for a 64 qt, I use inbetween 16 and 21 total qts with the spawn and bulk mixed together.

for a 1:4 ratio, I would use 4 spawn 16 sub for 20 qts total in a 64 qt tub, to leave room for taller fruits in that size a tub... you could definitely benefit from a larger tub, especially if the 'foot-print' was larger.

But this is just my suggestion though. :twocents:

And if you want to maintain a 4" sub. depth (I shoot for 2"-3") just fill-up the tub in question with measured-gallons of water until you reach your desired depth... this will give you a better guesstimate for the range of volumes your tub would require.

Hope that this gets us back to the topic :smile2:


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14081749 - 03/07/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Plus remember that if its your first time....Just know that as you decrease the spawn ratio, such as 1:1, 1:2, 1:3, 1:4, 1:5...1:10....you will also increase chance of contamination...


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14081805 - 03/07/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

how big is the bucket?


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14082030 - 03/07/11 04:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Well, it's my first time entertaining monotubs, but not my first time doing bulk. In my trays I usually do 1:4 or 1:5.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14082080 - 03/07/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I would NEVER go as low as 1:5 if hpoo is used (which I exclusively use these days, pm me if you need any).

In fact, with a monotub system AND a 1:2 or EVEN GREATER ratio of spawn: hpoo.....
I Could practically guarantee sucess, and very fast at that.

I have not had a contam in 3 YEARS after adopting my current philosophy.


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: shroomie_glen]
    #14082134 - 03/07/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I would NEVER go as low as 1:5 if hpoo is used (which I exclusively use these days, pm me if you need any).

In fact, with a monotub system AND a 1:2 or EVEN GREATER ratio of spawn: hpoo.....
I Could practically guarantee sucess, and very fast at that.

I have not had a contam in 3 YEARS after adopting my current philosophy.




Yeah. I just don't have a whole lot of spawn these days. I'd love to go 1:2 if I could :S.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Boozie]
    #14084270 - 03/07/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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He was being sarcastic. It's been tested thoroughly many, many times.
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meh not rly.

where are these results i cant find them even on damion5050s coir tek thread.

and if its been done so many times why the hell do people still think its pasteurizing.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: k00laid]
    #14084314 - 03/07/11 11:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

Boozie said:
He was being sarcastic. It's been tested thoroughly many, many times.
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meh not rly.

where are these results i cant find them even on damion5050s coir tek thread.

and if its been done so many times why the hell do people still think its pasteurizing.

xD





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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: k00laid]
    #14084365 - 03/07/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I use 2 quart jars of spawn in a 6qt tub. So that's 1:3 'nominal'. Or 1:2, I guess? Depends on how you define it.


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Doc_T]
    #14084598 - 03/08/11 12:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

ratio is stated as if in parts, so it would be 1:2. As in for every 1 unit of spawn there is 2 units of bulk sub.


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14084782 - 03/08/11 01:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is there any difference in the amount of spawn to sub ratio when it comes to actual surface or cubic mycleium colonization? does too much substrate slow down mycelium growth? if not then the question of spawn to sub ratio is strictly one of contam and budget?

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: communeart]
    #14086163 - 03/08/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Is there any difference in the amount of spawn to sub ratio when it comes to actual surface or cubic mycleium colonization? does too much substrate slow down mycelium growth? if not then the question of spawn to sub ratio is strictly one of contam and budget?





Too deep of substrate can compact and slow down growth.  I think contam is the biggest question mark when decreasing the spawn ratio...


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