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Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio?
    #14080375 - 03/07/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm looking into spawning my next set of jars into a monotub(s). I've recently been doing SGFC trays with manure / vermiculite. As the title suggests, I'd like to know what your spawn to pasteurized substrate ratios are.

Also, if you'd like to be more specific, tell me how many quarts of spawn and substrate are actually being used, given any tub's dimension and an acquired 4" (give'r'take) substrate level.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14080381 - 03/07/11 10:54 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I use 6-7 qts for spawn for my 66 qt tub. (1 brick of coir + 2-2.5 qts verm + gypsum) so 1:2. More is better but you are able to go with less.


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Taesian]
    #14080395 - 03/07/11 11:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

about 1:3


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: virus1824]
    #14080505 - 03/07/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Anything between 1:4 to 1:1.
The more grain the faster it colonize.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Luger0815]
    #14080549 - 03/07/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:whathesaid:

and with coir only, I would stay in the 1:1 - 1:3 range...

but, if you are using :poop:, then you can go 1:4+ alot easier, my :twocents:


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14080648 - 03/07/11 12:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, Mr. Wizard!:

I like the simplicity of D5050's coir preparation tek (the bucket and water and whatnot). However, I've been using horse manure, and I like the results. Could you link me or feed me any similar strategies for preparing a lot of pewp in a bucket or something like that?

I'm fine with manually / micromanaging the field capacity and pasteurizing a la RR videos, but... that's a lot of quart jars, I would imagine. I'm not saying I'm unwilling to do the work (I've been doing this with my trays, but only 5-6 quarts of substrate per tray).

Thanks to all so far.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: Gonkulator]
    #14080877 - 03/07/11 12:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

the coir-bucket-tek will not produce the same results if poop is added... from what I understand it will be a muddy mess, and the bucket-tek does not actually 'pasteurize' anything (just what I've read).

When using coir and boiling water in a bucket, the coir can reach higher temps. than required for pasteurizing, thus 'cooking' the coir... not good for dookie... again, this is just what I have gathered from the forums.

If you are going with poo, I would suggest using paint-strainer bags... or better yet, spawn-bags and an oven-top roaster or two.  Mix everything in a bucket to get field-cap. then load bags with sub.  Use oven-top roasters for the pasteurization of bags.  Once cool, check field capacity again and mix with spawn to make tub.

More people are using those oven-top roasters nowadays; plus, they are cheap and easy to find at Wal-fart. :smile2:

Hope this points you in the right direction :murray:


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14080922 - 03/07/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

i call bs cause if you put a thermometer in the center of the substrate as it's sitting in the bucket it maintains ~160*F for an hour.  that's pasteurization as far as i can tell.
but i always shoot for a 1:4 spawn to bulk substrate ratio.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14080938 - 03/07/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I use 1:3-1:5

What is the rationale in using more spawn in coir subs? IME coir doesn't contam easily so why not have a higher ratio?


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14080946 - 03/07/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

colonizes faster

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14080954 - 03/07/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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monotubgirl said:
i call bs cause if you put a thermometer in the center of the substrate as it's sitting in the bucket it maintains ~160*F for an hour.  that's pasteurization as far as i can tell.





call bs all you want

I didn't say that the bucket method with coir doesn't work or anything like that... in fact I use coir exclusively, right now :smile2:

You are getting my words confused.

I was suggesting to the OP that poop would be better pasteurized using the oven-top roasters as opposed to the "coir-bucket-tek" because most people that pasteurize :poop: don't do it in buckets with boiling water like Damion's tek :shrug:

don't get my words confused in the previous post please


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: LurkingWizards]
    #14080975 - 03/07/11 01:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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LurkingWizards said: the bucket-tek does not actually 'pasteurize' anything (just what I've read).




im pretty sure i wasn't getting your words mixed up you said the bucket tek doesn't pasteurize anything.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14080987 - 03/07/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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colonizes faster



if that's the rationale why not just always have a 1:1 spawn ratio?
IMO waiting a few days longer is much easier than creating the massive amounts of spawn for a 1:1 ratio.


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14081001 - 03/07/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

oh hey i definitely go 1:4 im just saying that's the rationale for higher ratios.  maybe their grow area is a little more riddled with contams and the faster colonization reduces the chances of contams taking over since the myc will do it faster.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14081021 - 03/07/11 01:16 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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monotubgirl said:
if you put a thermometer in the center of the substrate as it's sitting in the bucket it maintains ~160*F for an hour.




you should post a thread because no one else has ever done this before.

did you use a remote temperature probe?

what was the maximum temp achieved?

what was the min?

what was the temp of the water when introduced to the bucket?

you're making some wild claims here.

got some pics?


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14081046 - 03/07/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I use 1:3-1:5

What is the rationale in using more spawn in coir subs? IME coir doesn't contam easily so why not have a higher ratio?




I was trying to explain that in general, if poop is used: less spawn is required to colonize the sub. in a 'proper' amount of time.

and in general, coir-only substrates take longer to colonize and have weaker results when stretched out past 1:4+.

the point was, that poop is the way to go if you want to use 1:4+ ratios and still have stellar results.
if coir/verm is all you have, then use a lighter ratio to maintain high yield-percentages... yield-% drops off after stretching the spawn past 1:4 in the coir-based-experiments I've tried :shrug2:

1:1 should only be used for new growers to get the feel for bulk, I always recommend stretching your spawn as far as you can... but I have also noticed the best results (yield-wise) with 1:1-1:3 using coir.

I'm not trying to start an argument, was just stating opinion and observations :shrug:


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14081063 - 03/07/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i call bs cause if you put a thermometer in the center of the substrate as it's sitting in the bucket it maintains ~160*F for an hour.  that's pasteurization as far as i can tell.
but i always shoot for a 1:4 spawn to bulk substrate ratio.



With the bucket tek, you're actually partially sterilizing by pouring in boiling water. The reason this is only [supposed to be] done with coir, is the fact that it's very difficult for mold spores to germinate on coir to begin with, pasteruized or not.

Sterilizing it with the bucket tek or in a PC practically "cooks" the coir and kills off not only the bad shit, but the beneficial bacterias as well. But since coir is so hardy against contamination, it doesn't really pose a threat. Try that with manure and you'll see failure a lot more than not.


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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: k00laid]
    #14081087 - 03/07/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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k00laid said:
Quote:

monotubgirl said:
if you put a thermometer in the center of the substrate as it's sitting in the bucket it maintains ~160*F for an hour.




you should post a thread because no one else has ever done this before.

did you use a remote temperature probe?

what was the maximum temp achieved?

what was the min?

what was the temp of the water when introduced to the bucket?

you're making some wild claims here.

got some pics?




seriously, no one's done this? i used a digital cooking probe thermometer because i was leery of the whole bucket tek at first so i wanted to make sure it kept 160ish for an hour and it did.  i will definitely snap pics next time. i wish i remember the max and min temps, i was more concerned with keeping it at 160ish for an hour.  i'm assuming the water temp was slightly less than 212 since it was boiling when i put it in. i'm thinking that it does more of a partial sterilization since the water is a little less than 212 when introduced to the, but i will have to actually do more research and testing on this. i honestly thought it had been done and done again. point is though i do know that the temp was right about 160 30 minutes in and 60 minutes in. ive never had a tub contam on me yet.

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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14081099 - 03/07/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

He was being sarcastic. It's been tested thoroughly many, many times.

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i'm thinking that it does more of a partial sterilization



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Re: Monotubbers: what is your spawn:sub ratio? [Re: monotubgirl]
    #14081114 - 03/07/11 01:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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monotubgirl said:
Quote:

LurkingWizards said: the bucket-tek does not actually 'pasteurize' anything (just what I've read).




im pretty sure i wasn't getting your words mixed up you said the bucket tek doesn't pasteurize anything.




yep, you're still confused... and now you're confusing me...:picard:
read that post again

are you referring to pasteurizing poop in a bucket by pouring boiling water over it, or coir?

if it's coir then fine... you are arguing with a blank wall (i've stated my point already)

coir is fine, you don't even have to boil the water, I've had friends' literally, use hot tap water + coir/verm, using 1:2 ratios without contams... and still get 3 flushes :shrug:

I dare you to try that with poop... where is RR when you need him, lol

Are people pasteurizing poop in buckets via Damion's tek? (which was made for coir) I thought that's what the oven-top roasters were doing now... ::learyharvard:


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