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    #14080840 - 03/07/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We think way to highly of ourselves. A human trying to understand the entirely of reality is like a intestinal bacteria trying to understand a human. I think we need to accept our limitations at times.


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Re: Humans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14080854 - 03/07/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Does an intestinal bacteria have a burning urge to understand a human?


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Re: Humans [Re: Chronic7]
    #14080883 - 03/07/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Has a burning urge to live.


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Re: Humans [Re: giza]
    #14080903 - 03/07/11 12:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If reality allowed itself through a human mind to raise the question 'what is reality?' then didn't allow that same mind to realize reality, then its not any reality i'd even want to know about.


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Re: Humans [Re: Chronic7]
    #14080955 - 03/07/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Does an intestinal bacteria have a burning urge to understand a human?




No, but is a humans urge to understand higher realities equally empty? We are so limited by our conceptions and space-time thinking.


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Re: Humans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14081013 - 03/07/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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We think way to highly of ourselves. A human trying to understand the entirely of reality is like a intestinal bacteria trying to understand a human. I think we need to accept our limitations at times.





Oh I agree.:satansmoking:


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Re: Humans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14081028 - 03/07/11 01:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, you can't really understand reality through thoughts, but thought patterns can reflect understanding when your mind is rooted in/as reality

A human being definitely has the ability to understand reality, not as a thing separate from them but as themselves, reality can't be understood objectively because reality must be the subject, so it's good to relax & give up the search for something external that you can define as reality but you can't throw out the baby with the bathwater, the reality of the subject/seer still remains uninvestigated

Saying you can understand reality is a catch 22 as it gives the impression there is two separate things, 'you' and 'reality' so that you can somehow then objectively understand reality, but its not like that, its total intuition, oneness with your Self, and knowledge springs from that, but your not attached to it as your in total peace, peace begets clarity, clarity begets understanding. Peace comes FIRST though, the rest follows.


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Re: Humans [Re: Chronic7]
    #14081089 - 03/07/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There is no guarantee that I am all there is.


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    #14081168 - 03/07/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How so?

If all things are temporary then ultimately there must only remain one presence, and how could you be other than that?

Its very logical :shrug:



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Re: Humans [Re: Chronic7]
    #14081179 - 03/07/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There is no guarantee that any presence lasts.


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Re: Humans [Re: Kickle]
    #14081217 - 03/07/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing is guaranteed, so realize the nothing


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Re: Humans [Re: Chronic7]
    #14081223 - 03/07/11 01:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If I've realized anything, then I cannot have realized nothing. And if I have realized nothing, than I cannot have realized anything at all. May as well just keep on doing what I'm doing if nothing is guaranteed.


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Re: Humans [Re: Chronic7]
    #14081250 - 03/07/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yeah, you can't really understand reality through thoughts, but thought patterns can reflect understanding when your mind is rooted in/as reality

A human being definitely has the ability to understand reality, not as a thing separate from them but as themselves, reality can't be understood objectively because reality must be the subject, so it's good to relax & give up the search for something external that you can define as reality but you can't throw out the baby with the bathwater, the reality of the subject/seer still remains uninvestigated

Saying you can understand reality is a catch 22 as it gives the impression there is two separate things, 'you' and 'reality' so that you can somehow then objectively understand reality, but its not like that, its total intuition, oneness with your Self, and knowledge springs from that, but your not attached to it as your in total peace, peace begets clarity, clarity begets understanding. Peace comes FIRST though, the rest follows.





Do you think there could be something beyond even the subjective experience?


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Re: Humans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14081316 - 03/07/11 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You! even subjective experience like the most subjective experience of 'I' is still a subtle experience, so still an object really, albiet subtle it still has some kind of form to it, you are aware of it so you must already be subtler beyond it.

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Re: Humans [Re: Kickle]
    #14081365 - 03/07/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's easy to believe in oblivion if we live oblivious lives. The moment we come alive and see what life really is, you realise despite human efforts to demonstrate otherwise, this is all going to be alright. There is no death.

It's not living for Now that creates death and makes it such a strong force. You'll see, if you free your mind from time and other concepts, including 'world' and history, that you sort of go into another world anyway. Every day can be a different world, first subtly, then more and more overtly. So what does death boil down to? Seems I've already passed on...

Just looking around on mushrooms, for me, shows me that there's nothing to worry about. All the pain and horror is part of a mighty being's drama. Let it play its game. It obviously wants to do this. You do your part, do what you think is right.

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As for understanding, I agree we are limited but should be careful to see if the limits are imposed by what we've been conditioned to believe or what we've discovered for ourselves.


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Re: Humans [Re: circastes]
    #14081392 - 03/07/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Who said anything about believing in oblivion? I just don't believe anything is guaranteed. Including that it will all be OK. Nothing can be known but what is happening. And it seems like according to most definitions of what is OK, often times what is happening quite sucks.


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Re: Humans [Re: Kickle]
    #14081443 - 03/07/11 02:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Like, you guys were talking about death. Isn't that oblivion? That's how I see that idea. You just vanish, like some B-grade fairytale.


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Re: Humans [Re: circastes]
    #14081470 - 03/07/11 02:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know what happens at death. That's why I don't think continuation or absence are necessarily guaranteed. I can certainly pretend to know, but I definitely don't. I can also make an educated guess but it's not going to move beyond being a guess.


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    #14081508 - 03/07/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's reasonable.

I'm so against the idea because I think it's a myth that's keep us all down. Most people are afraid of reaching the end the world, or worse, dragons. I'm trying to sail to America.

I mean we've been told so much bullshit. And our lives don't even make sense.

Starting think some of us are just miles ahead of the pack and we should give up any idea of a collective humanity and its destiny and just focus on ourselves. In fact I think this is in full swing within me.

Eh. Man. I need to chill out a bit though.


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    #14081529 - 03/07/11 02:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My mom said to me the other day: I've spent my whole life cleaning teeth because I think I'm doing something useful in the world. But now I don't know. Has it been worth it? I mean, the world isn't going to stop spinning just because people's teeth aren't clean.

What do you think? Has it been worth it?


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Re: Humans [Re: circastes]
    #14081637 - 03/07/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Starting think some of us are just miles ahead of the pack and we should give up any idea of a collective humanity and its destiny and just focus on ourselves. In fact I think this is in full swing within me.

Eh. Man. I need to chill out a bit though.




If you do that, you're helping all of humanity quite a bit.  It's like we're all waves on a space time grid, and the higher you go the more of the grid you pull up with you.

To the rest of this thread, some of these thoughts may be true but to me they just seem like unnecessary doubts. Of course it's worth it.  And the more detached you are the more you'll see this. It's like being at a party and having a shitty time.  And eventually you're just like "okay, i no longer give a fuck what anybody thinks about me because giving a fuck isn't getting me anywhere." And then it's like "well, as long as i'm not giving a fuck, i might as well have a good time." And then you have a great time at the party!

Idk if that analogy made sense to anybody, but basically what i'm saying is there is a little too much giving a fuck in this thread. Life is a dream. It doesn't always feel like it but I know it is, because there's something else this is all appearing within.


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Re: Humans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14081699 - 03/07/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A human trying to understand the entirely of reality is like a intestinal bacteria trying to understand a human. I think we need to accept our limitations at times.




It's possible that we can never fully understand the entirety of reality but at least the belief that we're able to do so can spur us to comprehend more of it, if not all.  And if we can't understand all of reality, perhaps our descendants in the form of technologically-augment humans and Artificial Intelligences can.


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Re: Humans [Re: deCypher]
    #14081746 - 03/07/11 03:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yea :thumbup: Or maybe when we die.

Whats eternus nox mean?


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Re: Humans [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #14081788 - 03/07/11 03:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It means eternal night in Latin.  :smile:



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Re: Humans [Re: Kickle]
    #14082435 - 03/07/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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My mom said to me the other day: I've spent my whole life cleaning teeth because I think I'm doing something useful in the world. But now I don't know. Has it been worth it? I mean, the world isn't going to stop spinning just because people's teeth aren't clean.

What do you think? Has it been worth it?



If you find your divine nature, you realise anything you've been through has been a kind of toying around. Even the worst shit, like child abuse and the terror of war. Your nature stands eternal, you know this because that's how it feels. Now I don't agree with the way things are being played out in the world, but it IS harmless, ultimately, to the one divine being behind it all.

So is it worth it... well it's worth experiencing your nature through this form. Feels good man. But should it have been done this way? Well... it's such a tough question because all these questions vanish in certain states of mind... it's like asking something really nonsensical, like, "what is the sixth letter in the word water?" The form you're in is not constant, it changes, every moment, and dramatically so, and even its appearance is not fixed, and the emotional states it can achieve are amazing.

So this place is no let-down. It's a bit of a damn circus sideshow though. All sorts of completely random elements are thrown in from beauty to hatred to immanent world annihiliation, whilst a baby is born and an adolescent worries about the name on their clothes. I think it's all a sign of free will, rather than of a careless universe.


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