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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid] 1
#14079507 - 03/07/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: regardless of whether or not my position turns out to be wrong.
yeah, but once you have been proved you wrong it's time for you to drop it instead of just giving new definitions to things so you can continue to argue.
"once you have been proved you wrong"? 
Obviously, if I have some rebuttals to express, then I don't agree that I've been proven wrong; debate is a back-and-forth process, and sometimes it can be tedious. If you don't like this, then you probably shouldn't debate, or if you just don't like when debate becomes tedious, then maybe you should just cop-out when that happens and stop participating. 
I don't give new definitions to things, period, and I definitely don't do that so I can continue to argue; I'd be curious to see what evidence you have for this accusation.
I enjoy debate, but you don't debate. You just question every detail of a statement making a simple statement a fuckin battle, and you take the idea projected by the statement and twist it for the sake of arguing.
Instead of playing stupid all of the time, why don't you work with the statement trying to interpret it's meaninig in a progressive fashion, instead of causing stagnant debate over meanings of words where everyone but you knows the intention. This isn't a gramatical puzzle, it is a place to share ideas.
Stop asking for evidence for every single sentence. In many cases, the evidence has already been posted, and in others the evidence is not important.
You make trying to express an idea an impossible task, and your style of "debate" just slows the progression of debate. It is only tedious when you are involved
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: mushiepussy]
#14079617 - 03/07/11 04:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: regardless of whether or not my position turns out to be wrong.
yeah, but once you have been proved you wrong it's time for you to drop it instead of just giving new definitions to things so you can continue to argue.
"once you have been proved you wrong"? 
Obviously, if I have some rebuttals to express, then I don't agree that I've been proven wrong; debate is a back-and-forth process, and sometimes it can be tedious. If you don't like this, then you probably shouldn't debate, or if you just don't like when debate becomes tedious, then maybe you should just cop-out when that happens and stop participating. 
I don't give new definitions to things, period, and I definitely don't do that so I can continue to argue; I'd be curious to see what evidence you have for this accusation.
I enjoy debate, but you don't debate. You just question every detail of a statement making a simple statement a fuckin battle, and you take the idea projected by the statement and twist it for the sake of arguing.
People's statements are often unclear and/or ambiguous, it's sometimes necessary to question certain details in order to clearly understand what is being said; I don't do this for the sake of arguing.
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mushiepussy said: Instead of playing stupid all of the time, why don't you work with the statement trying to interpret it's meaninig in a progressive fashion, instead of causing stagnant debate over meanings of words where everyone but you knows the intention.
I don't understand, how is the fashion in which I try to interpret a statement's meaning any less progressive than any other fashion? 
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mushiepussy said: This isn't a gramatical puzzle, it is a place to share ideas.
This is not just a place to simply share ideas, this is a debate forum; people often make statements that are unclear and/or ambiguous during debates, and it's not uncommon for them to be asked to clarify certain details.
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mushiepussy said: Stop asking for evidence for every single sentence. In many cases, the evidence has already been posted, and in others the evidence is not important.
I don't ask for evidence for literally every single sentence, and I don't recall asking for evidence that has already been posted; I'd like you to provide an example of me doing this. The evidence for a person's claim during a debate is always important, debate is a back-and-forth process of positing, defending, and challenging claims.
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mushiepussy said: You make trying to express an idea an impossible task, and your style of "debate" just slows the progression of debate.
Why does the progression of a debate have to be fast, are you in a hurry or something? 
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mushiepussy said: It is only tedious when you are involved
I don't see why this is a bad thing, I guess most people skip over lots of details and/or make lots of assumptions about the meanings other people's statements without feeling the need to confirm those assumptions by asking questions about certain aspects of those statements.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid]
#14080172 - 03/07/11 09:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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THIS FLIPS THE ENTIRE SITUATION UPSIDE DOWN I HAD BEEN READING OUT OF CONTEXT OMGGGGGG
According 2 my newfound understanding, OC is totally wrong and Poid now has a valid point. I didn't reealize before that OC stated he never actually claimed children were annoying.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14080442 - 03/07/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: THIS FLIPS THE ENTIRE SITUATION UPSIDE DOWN I HAD BEEN READING OUT OF CONTEXT OMGGGGGG
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid]
#14080451 - 03/07/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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See, I had assumed that OC thought children were annoying because his OP clearly implied that he did.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14080469 - 03/07/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's OK, I forgive you.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid] 1
#14080472 - 03/07/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14080545 - 03/07/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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This thread was not about annoying things nor children, but a test to see who would jump to a false conclusion.
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OrgoneConclusion said: This thread was not about annoying things nor children, but a test to see who would jump to a false conclusion.
Any false conclusion, or a particular one?
Me, zappaisgod, and learningtofly all agree that you implied in the OP that you believe child laughter is annoying; is this the false conclusion you're talking about?
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid]
#14080586 - 03/07/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes.
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Poid said: ...my argument is that "more annoying than child laughter" implies that small children are at least somewhat annoying in the same manner that "heavier than this rock" implies that this rock has at least some weight.
The suffix '-er' turns a word into a comparative when added to an adjective; a comparative denotes the degree or grade by which a person, thing, or other entity has a property or quality greater or less in extent than that of another, which means that 'heavier' denotes the degree or grade by which a person, thing or other entity has a property of weight that is greater or less in extent than that of another. Similarly, "more annoying than" denotes the degree or grade by which a person, thing or other entity's property of annoyance is greater or lesser in extent than that of another ("more annoying than" is a comparative form of 'annoying', 'annoyinger' isn't a word).
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid]
#14080688 - 03/07/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is anything heavier than a photon?
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OrgoneConclusion said: This thread was not about annoying things nor children, but a test to see who would jump to a false conclusion.
Being what?
You asked if there is anything more annoying than children laughing, and by saying "more annoying than" you are implying that children are annoying to some degree. Can you please elaborate on how "more annoying than" does not imply that children are annoying to some degree? And even if you can, the fact that everyone disagrees with you shows that your question is extremely ambiguous to the point where it is your duty to clarify what you mean.
EDIT: So let us assume that you were right and we jumped to a false conclusion? What is the point of showing that when given an extremely ambiguous question, people may misunderstand it?
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14080709 - 03/07/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Was any human being more saintly than Hitler?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Is anything heavier than a photon?
the OP is about interval measurement and this example is ratio measurement.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Was any human being more saintly than Hitler?
This is less ambiguous. You cannot deny that it could be easily assumed you don't like children
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14080740 - 03/07/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It can be taken to mean that
A) Children are annoying B) Children are not annoying.
You never clarified which one you meant.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14080748 - 03/07/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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With a nice chipotle sauce...
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OrgoneConclusion said: Is anything heavier than a photon?
This question makes no sense, photons have no mass, and nothing can be heavier than them.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14080767 - 03/07/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You never clarified which one you meant.
The OP was a question, not a declaration. Doh!
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