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Confused about dosage for small shrooms
    #14080641 - 03/07/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My first flush ever is nearly completed, only complaint is that the veils broke kinda early, i found the reason to be my last SGFC was very bad, no holes in the bottom and not a lot at all on the sides, and it was huge, so im guessing it was lack of FAE and Humidity, I put them in a new SGFC last night and i can already tell from 15 hours of being in there they are growing pretty nicely now.. but on to my question.

Ive heard that as soon as the veils break that the main chemical for "tripping" is stopped being produced, should i let them grow a little bit larger for an accurate dosage when dried? Is there a certain ratio method used for smaller mushrooms?



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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: ryanbrown245] * 1
    #14080683 - 03/07/11 12:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i would eat 30-40 grams wet

about an eighth dry.

i dont really understand the question.

are you concerned about tripping too hard? if so i would not eat them at all..


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: k00laid]
    #14080699 - 03/07/11 12:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

no no no lol, i wouldnt mind tripping insanely hard :tongue:, just its my first time, im confused about the potency of small ones, they arent gonna weigh much at all, so like would a .5 gram small mushroom equal out to like a 2gram big one, since the tripping stuff is stopped being produced when the veil breaks...


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: ryanbrown245]
    #14080718 - 03/07/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

eat the equivalent of 1 or 2 grams dry (maybe around 10-20 grams WET), as that is a small dose.. If you want to fry harder, eat more if its not doing its thing.. but for your first time, just take a half 8th or so, and see if you even like the way it feels.. that way, if you dont, you dont have a massive trip ahead of you that you are not ready for..

although, i ate a whole 8th my first time, and had a blast.. it just depends on the person.. better to little than too much, if thats what you are worried about..


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: ryanbrown245]
    #14080721 - 03/07/11 12:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

a .5g mushrooms is equal to a .5g mushroom

dose by weight.

later in life dose by feel.

i eat mushrooms until i feel ive eaten maybe too much, then i eat one more.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: k00laid]
    #14080737 - 03/07/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i eat mushrooms until i feel ive eaten maybe too much, then i eat one more.





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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14080755 - 03/07/11 12:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A famous man once said: "when in doubt, double the dose."


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: k00laid]
    #14080762 - 03/07/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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a .5g mushrooms is equal to a .5g mushroom

dose by weight.

later in life dose by feel.

i eat mushrooms until i feel ive eaten maybe too much, then i eat one more.








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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: Luger0815]
    #14080768 - 03/07/11 12:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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a .5g mushrooms is equal to a .5g mushroom

dose by weight.

later in life dose by feel.

i eat mushrooms until i feel ive eaten maybe too much, then i eat one more.












I have to assume that ^^^^^ that guy was the "famous man"? hahahaha


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14080775 - 03/07/11 12:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

the op is asking if cubes grow less potent after the veil breaks
this is said to be correct by many ,however alot of people belive its simply not true
use the search function and look under old post,then new ones and youll see what im saying

i would recommend to just ignore it for now,you wouldnt notice the difference anyway


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14080780 - 03/07/11 12:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:rofldrunk: close but it was :tmckenna: Lol i was suspecting it but confirmed it for meself.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
    #14080788 - 03/07/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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i eat mushrooms until i feel ive eaten maybe too much, then i eat one more.




best quote ever


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: TheCannabisSativa]
    #14080821 - 03/07/11 12:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well they take like 2 hours to kickin, just don't wanna overdue it before it hits me


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: ryanbrown245]
    #14080833 - 03/07/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

2 hours :0

i think i may be more sensitive to psilocin than the average person but when i eat mushrooms that are active (dry or fresh) i can feel them almost immediately


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: ryanbrown245]
    #14080838 - 03/07/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well they take like 2 hours to kickin, just don't wanna overdue it before it hits me




They kick much faster than that.
Somewhat like 30-45 minutes later you will know if you want some more or not.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: Luger0815]
    #14080842 - 03/07/11 12:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Gotcha, well thanks guys


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: k00laid]
    #14080848 - 03/07/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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2 hours :0

i think i may be more sensitive to psilocin than the average person but when i eat mushrooms that are active (dry or fresh) i can feel them almost immediately




Depends on how much (food) you have eaten before, but mostly 10 minutes later "takeoff" happens.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: ryanbrown245]
    #14080858 - 03/07/11 12:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Have you ever tripped on something else before?


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: Luger0815]
    #14080868 - 03/07/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've done salvia and completely tripped out, but it was good, I'm like not worried at all about not liking it or being too strong, I'm a drug person lol


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: ryanbrown245]
    #14080889 - 03/07/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you smoked Salvia before then you will be fine with 2g at the first time.
Even 10g doesn't come near close to salvia.
BTW Salvia is hell.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: Luger0815]
    #14080928 - 03/07/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: chainsaw1298]
    #14080949 - 03/07/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I heard once the veil breaks it stops producing it


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: chainsaw1298]
    #14080990 - 03/07/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.





im sorry but i disagree, in my opinion eating a .1g pin is no where near the same thing as eating a 3 gram dried single fruit.

and i think after trying both, you would agree.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: k00laid]
    #14081044 - 03/07/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

PF claimed that BR cubies were more potent than cubies grown on other media.  I think he was right, if only slightly.

I am of the camp that thinks that the potency to weight ratio begins to change after the veil breaks. That is, they become less potent per gram after the veil breaks.

I don't like the intense trips BR cubies give you at doses of 3+ grams.  I actually prefer the body buzz from about .5g to 1g.

Edit: my weights refer to dried materials.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: Myceliumcake]
    #14081104 - 03/07/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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PF claimed that BR cubies were more potent than cubies grown on other media.  I think he was right, if only slightly.

I am of the camp that thinks that the potency to weight ratio begins to change after the veil breaks. That is, they become less potent per gram after the veil breaks.

I don't like the intense trips BR cubies give you at doses of 3  grams.  I actually prefer the body buzz from about .5g to 1g.

Edit: my weights refer to dried materials.




Hmm.. i would not eat less then 4g.
This would be like, standing at the front-door of a club and dont get inside.
But that's just me...


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: chainsaw1298]
    #14081178 - 03/07/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.




After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.

Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones :smile:


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: jmello] * 1
    #14081213 - 03/07/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.




After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.

Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones :smile:





uhm, aborts are more potent then the rest.....


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: biologys]
    #14081255 - 03/07/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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uhm, aborts are more potent then the rest.....




Well yeah by weight I guess...i kind of forgot about that...:facepalm:


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: ryanbrown245]
    #14081358 - 03/07/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.




After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.

Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones :smile:




Not so.  That's incorrect on all counts, including what you said about aborts.

To the original poster, those are ready for picking now.  I find quality is best if they're picked just before the veil tears and the cap begins to open.  Once any mushroom drops spores, it begins to die and degrade.
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #14081521 - 03/07/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks RR


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.




After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.

Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones :smile:




Not so.  That's incorrect on all counts, including what you said about aborts.

To the original poster, those are ready for picking now.  I find quality is best if they're picked just before the veil tears and the cap begins to open.  Once any mushroom drops spores, it begins to die and degrade.
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So is my statement wrong or just jmello?


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: chainsaw1298]
    #14082203 - 03/07/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sorry man :shrug: I have more reading to do ha


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: jmello]
    #14082249 - 03/07/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As far as I know, aborts are stronger by weight, but small mature mushrooms are equal in potency by weight to large mature mushrooms.  Save for genetic differences, of course.


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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: BothHands]
    #14174198 - 03/24/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Understanding how a mushroom fruit-body grows in size is critical to optimal crop cultivation.

Plants and animals grow through cell division.
Meaning, to get bigger they have to produce more cells, thereby increasing their mass in size.

Mycelium also grows by cell division.

However, a mushroom fruit-body does not grow by cell division.

A fully formed immature mushroom contains nearly the same number of cells that the large mature mushroom will have at its peak size.

How an immature mushroom exponentially increases in size very rapidly is by cell enlargement.

How fruit-body cell enlargement occurs, is that the mycelium pumps moisture by capillary action into the fruit-body cells, hyper- expanding, and inflating them with water. The same way a balloon expands exponentially in size, when you fill it with water.

A mushroom fruit-body can increase in size as fast as water can be pumped into its cells. That is how a mushroom can grow from an immature mushroom into a large mature mushroom, in a very short span of time.

Other than inherent genetic limitations, and nutrient availability, the size of a fruit-body is only limited by the availability & amount of moisture that mycelium can pump into it.

Another critical growth factor is that, mushroom fruit-bodies have no protective skin.

Mushroom fruit-body cells exchange gases directly with the surrounding atmosphere. Consequently, as mushroom fruit-bodies begin to expand in size, they require very high ambient humidity in their immediate environment, in order to grow to optimal fruit-body size.

Deprived of, or without high humidity in their immediate environment, fruit-body cells will lose moisture faster than it can be "pumped" into them. Resulting in an immediate drying effect that will cause abnormal growth, stunting, stems to split, caps to crack, and/or total abortion of all growth.





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