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chainsaw1298
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: Luger0815]
#14080928 - 03/07/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: chainsaw1298]
#14080949 - 03/07/11 01:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I heard once the veil breaks it stops producing it
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: chainsaw1298]
#14080990 - 03/07/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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chainsaw1298 said: Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.
im sorry but i disagree, in my opinion eating a .1g pin is no where near the same thing as eating a 3 gram dried single fruit.
and i think after trying both, you would agree.
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: k00laid]
#14081044 - 03/07/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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PF claimed that BR cubies were more potent than cubies grown on other media. I think he was right, if only slightly.
I am of the camp that thinks that the potency to weight ratio begins to change after the veil breaks. That is, they become less potent per gram after the veil breaks.
I don't like the intense trips BR cubies give you at doses of 3+ grams. I actually prefer the body buzz from about .5g to 1g.
Edit: my weights refer to dried materials.
Edited by Myceliumcake (03/07/11 01:21 PM)
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: Myceliumcake]
#14081104 - 03/07/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Myceliumcake said: PF claimed that BR cubies were more potent than cubies grown on other media. I think he was right, if only slightly.
I am of the camp that thinks that the potency to weight ratio begins to change after the veil breaks. That is, they become less potent per gram after the veil breaks.
I don't like the intense trips BR cubies give you at doses of 3 grams. I actually prefer the body buzz from about .5g to 1g.
Edit: my weights refer to dried materials.
Hmm.. i would not eat less then 4g. This would be like, standing at the front-door of a club and dont get inside. But that's just me...
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: chainsaw1298]
#14081178 - 03/07/11 01:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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chainsaw1298 said: Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.
After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.
Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: jmello] 1
#14081213 - 03/07/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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jmello said:
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chainsaw1298 said: Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.
After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.
Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones 
uhm, aborts are more potent then the rest.....
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms [Re: biologys]
#14081255 - 03/07/11 01:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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biologys said: uhm, aborts are more potent then the rest.....
Well yeah by weight I guess...i kind of forgot about that...
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: ryanbrown245]
#14081358 - 03/07/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
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jmello said:
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chainsaw1298 said: Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.
After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.
Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones 
Not so. That's incorrect on all counts, including what you said about aborts.
To the original poster, those are ready for picking now. I find quality is best if they're picked just before the veil tears and the cap begins to open. Once any mushroom drops spores, it begins to die and degrade. RR
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14081521 - 03/07/11 02:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks RR
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chainsaw1298
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#14081608 - 03/07/11 03:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: <img src='http://www.shroomery.org/forums/images/moved.gif'> This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
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chainsaw1298 said: Correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand the amount of Psilocybin does not increase with size the amount that is in a mushroom stays the same from pin to full maturity.
After primordia and pinning stages the amount of active compounds stays roughly the same...the mushroom tissue is basically compressed mycelium that expands with maturity.
Aborts dont apply here because the reason they stopped growing is they didn't have enough nutrients to produce compounds including the fun ones 
Not so. That's incorrect on all counts, including what you said about aborts.
To the original poster, those are ready for picking now. I find quality is best if they're picked just before the veil tears and the cap begins to open. Once any mushroom drops spores, it begins to die and degrade. RR
So is my statement wrong or just jmello?
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: chainsaw1298]
#14082203 - 03/07/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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sorry man I have more reading to do ha
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: jmello]
#14082249 - 03/07/11 04:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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As far as I know, aborts are stronger by weight, but small mature mushrooms are equal in potency by weight to large mature mushrooms. Save for genetic differences, of course.
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Re: Confused about dosage for small shrooms (moved) [Re: BothHands]
#14174198 - 03/24/11 04:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Understanding how a mushroom fruit-body grows in size is critical to optimal crop cultivation.
Plants and animals grow through cell division. Meaning, to get bigger they have to produce more cells, thereby increasing their mass in size.
Mycelium also grows by cell division.
However, a mushroom fruit-body does not grow by cell division.
A fully formed immature mushroom contains nearly the same number of cells that the large mature mushroom will have at its peak size.
How an immature mushroom exponentially increases in size very rapidly is by cell enlargement.
How fruit-body cell enlargement occurs, is that the mycelium pumps moisture by capillary action into the fruit-body cells, hyper- expanding, and inflating them with water. The same way a balloon expands exponentially in size, when you fill it with water.
A mushroom fruit-body can increase in size as fast as water can be pumped into its cells. That is how a mushroom can grow from an immature mushroom into a large mature mushroom, in a very short span of time.
Other than inherent genetic limitations, and nutrient availability, the size of a fruit-body is only limited by the availability & amount of moisture that mycelium can pump into it.
Another critical growth factor is that, mushroom fruit-bodies have no protective skin.
Mushroom fruit-body cells exchange gases directly with the surrounding atmosphere. Consequently, as mushroom fruit-bodies begin to expand in size, they require very high ambient humidity in their immediate environment, in order to grow to optimal fruit-body size.
Deprived of, or without high humidity in their immediate environment, fruit-body cells will lose moisture faster than it can be "pumped" into them. Resulting in an immediate drying effect that will cause abnormal growth, stunting, stems to split, caps to crack, and/or total abortion of all growth.
this may clear up some confusion.
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