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OfflineAlphaFalfa
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If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics......
    #14080452 - 03/07/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

At what point if any, would you be willing to promote a military intervention?

I ask this to those who say we should allow them to deal with their own political problems on their own for the most part.

I think the strongest nations of the world should invade and intervene ASAP because the global economy is already weak and is still in recovery. If high oil prices ensue for longer than a month, it will trigger a downturn of economic growth and spur the potential negative feed back loops and cycles that cause for recessions.

I really think stability is crucial and one of the biggest components of our economy is consumer/investor confidence.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14080473 - 03/07/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here's what I think. I think you should enlist pronto, before you choose to put other men in harms way for your personal desires.

Enlist dude. Make it happen.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14080496 - 03/07/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Here's what I think. I think you should enlist pronto, before you choose to put other men in harms way for your personal desires.

Enlist dude. Make it happen.





I am lucky enough not to have to enlist and to be able to use my brain and communication skills to make a decent living.

Also, I have serious knee, back and kneck injuries that would not allow me to become a soldier.

I also cannot be blamed for the problems that are occurring in the middle east. If I had it my way, I would promote peace but clearly due to our stupid dependency on oil, we have to act soon in my POV.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14080616 - 03/07/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Act soon  to do what. That oil doesn't belong to us. Do you suggest we steal it?

How would you like it if I came into your house and stole shit because I wanted it so I could party hardy or even care for my tribe?


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14080735 - 03/07/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Somehow I doubt that intervening and installing another corrupt government is going to lead to much stability.  See Iraq or Afghanistan if you have trouble seeing that...


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14081327 - 03/07/11 02:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It is quite probable that a democratically elected government would reduce the amount of oil exported.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14081384 - 03/07/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Act soon  to do what. That oil doesn't belong to us. Do you suggest we steal it?

How would you like it if I came into your house and stole shit because I wanted it so I could party hardy or even care for my tribe?





it doesn't belong to us, but neither does our consumption of the oil, belong to them. Without us, their economy would explode.

Go figure.

its not a simple as this is theirs and this is ours.

We are living in an interdependent world, there is limitations to the concept of ownership when talking geopolitical nonsense.

its far better than allowing for what is going on in lybia. There is a bloody civil war there now. We could easily end it by overthrowing the government.

The people want democracy, we can give it to them even if it is still largely corrupt.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14081418 - 03/07/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Somehow I doubt that intervening and installing another corrupt government is going to lead to much stability.  See Iraq or Afghanistan if you have trouble seeing that...





So what? Not intervening still seems to cause even more problems.

Look at libya for example.

You won't be to eager to say that if you see yourself potentially loosing work because of it.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14081485 - 03/07/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If the Libyan people resolve the conflict without what they perceive as external manipulation of events, then there is a high chance of stability in the region soon.  If the Libyan people believe that the US or any other outside government interfered with things to the extent seen in so many other post-invasion regimes around the world, they will be very likely to be unhappy with the new regime and instability for a long, long period is likely.

My point being that your proposed actions would be likely to have the opposite of the intended consequences.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14081576 - 03/07/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

but neither does our consumption of the oil, belong to them.

What the hell does that mean?  I think your intent is clear. If I can't get my oil at the price I want I'll take it and pretend I'm giving democracy to the people I'm stealing from.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14081590 - 03/07/11 03:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ChuangTzu said:My point being that your proposed actions would be likely to have the opposite of the intended consequences.




That's American foreign policy in a nutshell.  Especially in the Middle East. 


Besides, the economy isn't recovering anyway.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14081599 - 03/07/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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If the Libyan people resolve the conflict without what they perceive as external manipulation of events, then there is a high chance of stability in the region soon.  If the Libyan people believe that the US or any other outside government interfered with things to the extent seen in so many other post-invasion regimes around the world, they will be very likely to be unhappy with the new regime and instability for a long, long period is likely.

My point being that your proposed actions would be likely to have the opposite of the intended consequences.





Okay.

Now prove it.

:lol:

This is great case oversimplication of complicated events and variables.

Prove that they would be more unhappy if we intervened?


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14081636 - 03/07/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Prove you would be more unhappy if Russia, China, Korea, intervened in your life.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14081639 - 03/07/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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but neither does our consumption of the oil, belong to them.

What the hell does that mean?  I think your intent is clear. If I can't get my oil at the price I want I'll take it and pretend I'm giving democracy to the people I'm stealing from.





I guesse you probally never studied economics?

It simple, rather simple look at a complicated process but here it is;

Oil = resource nessecary for the production of goods/services.

China/India/USA/Japan/All other major industrialized produce products from oil.

USA/Europe consume over 80% of the goods/services.

NOW, decrease the extent to which ANY ONE OF THOSE PARTS OF OUR OIL DEPENDENT ECONOMY exists as AND PRESTO@!!!!!


Economic downturn - prices of food go up, jobs get slashed, wages get slashed, goods/services get slashed, investment drops, interest rates go up!!!

Its really not complicated and no there is no way around it.


IN SHORT.


The middle east could have more oil than it could possibly ever need a trillion times over but without our consumption of it and the infrastructure nessecary to create products to consume it as well, their economy is worth the sand on the bottom of their sandals.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14081646 - 03/07/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Prove you would be more unhappy if Russia, China, Korea, intervened in your life.





:lol:

Your far to emotional bud. I am not promoting war. I am asking what it would take to create stability in the middle east(the opposite of war) and looking particularly what I thought would be a contreversial yet very realisitic option to create future stability.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14081649 - 03/07/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So? They are able to decide what to do with their resources without you threatening to invade.  You don't give a flying fuck about them or what happens to them. What you care about is your own well being and gain.

Nothing new about that but I don't respect anyone who won't own it.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: amilibertine]
    #14081659 - 03/07/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ChuangTzu said:My point being that your proposed actions would be likely to have the opposite of the intended consequences.




That's American foreign policy in a nutshell.  Especially in the Middle East. 


Besides, the economy isn't recovering anyway.




The economy was always fundamentally flawed and due for a collapse. I would rather the collapse be further into the future than now.

What kind of person wouldn't want that?


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14081701 - 03/07/11 03:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Me, I'm just fine with the way things are.  I was just fine when they (someone) predicted economic dooms day just about every year of my adult life.:crazy2:


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14081740 - 03/07/11 03:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"giving democracy"

AKA dropping bombs.


1. The USA itself is framed as a constitutional republic, not a democracy.

2. democracy = 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

3. USA should have perfected REAL democracy in it's own country before it can even attempt to spread it elsewhere.



For someone sooooooooo interested in environmentalism, you're sure a real pundit for Big Oil.

High oil prices will force innovations in alternative energy.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Shins]
    #14081752 - 03/07/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My bloody rich, totally republican sister, said the same thing to me today.

High oil prices will force innovations in alternative energy.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14081830 - 03/07/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know that I would call freely creating a market to be "forcing" but I could somewhat see that.  Unlike the "forcing" that is happening with douchebags in the government sticking their little idiotic dicks in what should be a market decision.  Depends on what your definition of "force" is.

Of course, it might just as easily "force" more drilling and fracking.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14081855 - 03/07/11 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
Quote:

ChuangTzu said:
If the Libyan people resolve the conflict without what they perceive as external manipulation of events, then there is a high chance of stability in the region soon.  If the Libyan people believe that the US or any other outside government interfered with things to the extent seen in so many other post-invasion regimes around the world, they will be very likely to be unhappy with the new regime and instability for a long, long period is likely.

My point being that your proposed actions would be likely to have the opposite of the intended consequences.





Okay.

Now prove it.

:lol:

This is great case oversimplication of complicated events and variables.

Prove that they would be more unhappy if we intervened?




Prove that they'd be more happy if we intervened.  You can't, it's not possible to prove either way. 

You're just trying to justify a resource grab amidst the turmoil.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14081905 - 03/07/11 03:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So? They are able to decide what to do with their resources without you threatening to invade.  You don't give a flying fuck about them or what happens to them. What you care about is your own well being and gain.

Nothing new about that but I don't respect anyone who won't own it.





They don't care about us either.

Politics isn't about respect. it is about gain.

i don't see any reason for anyone saying the opposite, that they would rather eliminate thiers/their loved ones ability to benefit from a strong economy.

You don't understand my point at all.

This question is hypothetical, it is not about spiritual beliefs, its about happiness.

its about a potential event that can arise in the middle east that may have detrimental effects on our way of life.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: ChuangTzu]
    #14082009 - 03/07/11 04:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ChuangTzu said:
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AlphaFalfa said:
Quote:

ChuangTzu said:
If the Libyan people resolve the conflict without what they perceive as external manipulation of events, then there is a high chance of stability in the region soon.  If the Libyan people believe that the US or any other outside government interfered with things to the extent seen in so many other post-invasion regimes around the world, they will be very likely to be unhappy with the new regime and instability for a long, long period is likely.

My point being that your proposed actions would be likely to have the opposite of the intended consequences.





Okay.

Now prove it.

:lol:

This is great case oversimplication of complicated events and variables.

Prove that they would be more unhappy if we intervened?




Prove that they'd be more happy if we intervened.  You can't, it's not possible to prove either way. 

You're just trying to justify a resource grab amidst the turmoil.





Resource grab?

:lol:

The only reason you have even HALF the things you have is because the middle east has been generally stable in its export of oil.

You have no idea how important oil is do you?

i believe that resources like oil should be controlled by a world government to be honest.

The resource is far to important to be riddled by stupid protests and our economy right now is far to fragile.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14082026 - 03/07/11 04:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Me, I'm just fine with the way things are.  I was just fine when they (someone) predicted economic dooms day just about every year of my adult life.:crazy2:





This is just a hypothetical.

You just want to attack me.

Your not reading what i am saying.

Do you know what 'if' means?

i guesse i hope that somewhere in your adult life you learn its meaning.

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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14082035 - 03/07/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't have any spiritual beliefs and don't know what that is.

Let me answer your hypothetical question this way.  It's not worth killing people over this. To invade another country over raw materials is an aspect of imperialism imo. 

And whatever the effects of what they do with their oil are. I can handle it.  I lead a simpler life than most of America but I would live a simpler one still and it won't bother me. In fact I'd likely find some benefit to it.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14082065 - 03/07/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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AlphaFalfa said:
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Icelander said:
Me, I'm just fine with the way things are.  I was just fine when they (someone) predicted economic dooms day just about every year of my adult life.:crazy2:





This is just a hypothetical.

You just want to attack me.

Your not reading what i am saying.

Do you know what 'if' means?

i guesse i hope that somewhere in your adult life you learn its meaning.

:cheers:





I think the strongest nations of the world should invade and intervene

It's got to be hypothetical because you don't have the power. But from the above statement you made it's clear what your feelings and intent are.  We're you to have the power you would likely act in the way you speak. I mean as long as someone else does the actual fighting, killing and dying.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14082123 - 03/07/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't have any spiritual beliefs and don't know what that is.

Let me answer your hypothetical question this way.  It's not worth killing people over this. To invade another country over raw materials is an aspect of imperialism imo. 

And whatever the effects of what they do with their oil are. I can handle it.  I lead a simpler life than most of America but I would live a simpler one still and it won't bother me. In fact I'd likely find some benefit to it.





Thats fair.

You don't give a fuck about me and neither do i give a fuck about you.

However, i as a young financially unstable person who relies on the economy have different sentiments.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14082138 - 03/07/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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AlphaFalfa said:
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Icelander said:
Me, I'm just fine with the way things are.  I was just fine when they (someone) predicted economic dooms day just about every year of my adult life.:crazy2:





This is just a hypothetical.

You just want to attack me.

Your not reading what i am saying.

Do you know what 'if' means?

i guesse i hope that somewhere in your adult life you learn its meaning.

:cheers:





I think the strongest nations of the world should invade and intervene

It's got to be hypothetical because you don't have the power. But from the above statement you made it's clear what your feelings and intent are.  We're you to have the power you would likely act in the way you speak. I mean as long as someone else does the actual fighting, killing and dying.




Don't give me that.

You don't respect verterans and they lived and died for you to have what you have right now from WW1 and WW2.

i don't either. i am very selfish, but i just don't see a huge reason to believe in compassion.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14082180 - 03/07/11 04:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Who says I don't respect those vets?  Wrong!

Fine don't believe in compassion or fairness. That's normal. Anything else is quite rare.  Just remember that when you want someone to treat you fairly or respect your environment etc.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14082348 - 03/07/11 05:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:lol:

Yeah like i believe that.

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I don't have any spiritual beliefs and don't know what that is.

Let me answer your hypothetical question this way.  It's not worth killing people over this. To invade another country over raw materials is an aspect of imperialism imo. 

And whatever the effects of what they do with their oil are. I can handle it.  I lead a simpler life than most of America but I would live a simpler one still and it won't bother me. In fact I'd likely find some benefit to it.





Thats fair.

You don't give a fuck about me and neither do i give a fuck about you.

However, i as a young financially unstable person who relies on the economy have different sentiments.






i've told you time and time again. You don't depend on the economy, i do. Your retired, i am still working and renting.

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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14082433 - 03/07/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Of course I rely on the economy.  :lol:  Now you're just being silly.

But i've been through down economies several times. Yet here I am retired.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #14082615 - 03/07/11 05:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We have our own oil; in fact, we have a lot of oil. We have oil in Alaska, the gulf, and we even discovered a massive oil reserve under the Dakotas not too long ago. We could drill for our own damn oil and we wouldn't be such slaves to people that hate us. However, we don't because of political reasons.

It is infuriating, we are shooting ourselves in the foot economically and in the arena of foreign policy in order to appease some eco nut jobs.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: setb]
    #14082641 - 03/07/11 06:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Are you sure. Can you provide a link to show we can meet all of our oil needs?


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14082872 - 03/07/11 06:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Of course I rely on the economy.  :lol:  Now you're just being silly.

But i've been through down economies several times. Yet here I am retired.





LOL

The period you have lived in is one the most stable and fruitful periods of human history.

The recessions you've been through pail in comparison to the one we face right now.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14082971 - 03/07/11 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Are you sure. Can you provide a link to show we can meet all of our oil needs?



http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/new-study-shows-offshore-drilling-alaska
That's just Alaska.  And does it have to be all?  And does it have to be just us?  Canada has huge reserves as well.  Enviroweenie fagfuckholemorons have cut our nuts off for decades and put us well behind the eightball.  Frack, baby frack show me you're real.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14082996 - 03/07/11 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This great recession hasn't happened.  How can you know it will?


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14083007 - 03/07/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Are you sure. Can you provide a link to show we can meet all of our oil needs?



http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/new-study-shows-offshore-drilling-alaska
That's just Alaska.  And does it have to be all?  And does it have to be just us?  Canada has huge reserves as well.  Enviroweenie fagfuckholemorons have cut our nuts off for decades and put us well behind the eightball.  Frack, baby frack show me you're real.





Then I'm not going to worry about a thing.  Not that I was. :lol:


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
    #14083817 - 03/07/11 09:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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At what point if any, would you be willing to promote a military intervention?





Never. We should never go to war to try and install a government in a foreign land for the sole reason of protecting our own economic interests because:

1) It has never worked, the installed government will fail to provide us with what we are looking for.
2) The economy has proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that it will fuck in and out of boom and bust cycles despite everybody's best intentions, military actions, or policy tweaking.
3) War costs a shit load. I have no interest in funding yet another endless, pointless, sad, destructive foray into democracy building in the middle east with my tax dollars. If you want to go over there and help build democracy by organizing Arabic students into voting groups, you have my sincere emotional support.
4) This one is a question...how can you justify the killing of thousands of people on the notion of making a buck? If all you care about is your own financial well being, why don't you cut out the middle man of government and become a hit man? They make a lot of $, don't they?


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: gluke bastid]
    #14084097 - 03/07/11 10:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Recession is not what will happen, more like worse than the 30's economic depression, followed by panic, civil war, famine, plagues and culminating in The End Of The World As We Knew It. Maybe not in that order, especially if plague is first. Then it will be plague followed by TEOTWAKI...


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #14084342 - 03/07/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #14085331 - 03/08/11 06:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Recession is not what will happen, more like worse than the 30's economic depression, followed by panic, civil war, famine, plagues and culminating in The End Of The World As We Knew It. Maybe not in that order, especially if plague is first. Then it will be plague followed by TEOTWAKI...



:lol:

Don't forget your hemorrhoids, noting's going to compare to that.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
    #14085333 - 03/08/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.





You can handle it. :satansmoking:


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
    #14086534 - 03/08/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.




I don't see it like that.

It won't be that bad.

This isn't a movie, its real life.

There will be food price increases and energy prices increased, but we won't ever turn into africa/middle east/asia/india.


Our countries have stockpiles of grains, dried foods and even stockpiles of petroleum/other sources of energy.

It won't be that bad for us, for third world countries it will be when all manner of civilization that they knew of is eliminated.

Sure things will be much mor expensive and crime rates will go up, but we won't be starving to death.

Chill. Thats the worse it can get.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
    #14087539 - 03/08/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.




You aren't charged a fee to live on earth...you are charged a fee to live in society because you use its assets every day. You could always run off to the woods and live a bohemian lifestyle, but you'd still have to work to grow your own food and survive. You could always go to a jungle and just hunt your own food...but that would take an awful lot of energy...so yeah I guess there's always a fee. :durrhurr:


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14087574 - 03/08/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The Middle eastern "politics" you should be most worried about sending us into recession are the ones surrounding the Zionist controllers of our political and monetary system, and their empirical record of profiting off of both sides of their pre-planned and staged boom and bust scenario.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Shins]
    #14088031 - 03/08/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The Middle eastern "politics" you should be most worried about sending us into recession are the ones surrounding the Zionist controllers of our political and monetary system, and their empirical record of profiting off of both sides of their pre-planned and staged boom and bust scenario.




Just because they kick your ass in business doesn't mean they're bad people.  Whatever rules they make , whatever rules you make, they will still beat you.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14089442 - 03/08/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.





You can handle it. :satansmoking:



can i? i dont know sometimes.


Quote:

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Quote:

monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.




I don't see it like that.

It won't be that bad.

This isn't a movie, its real life.

There will be food price increases and energy prices increased, but we won't ever turn into africa/middle east/asia/india.


Our countries have stockpiles of grains, dried foods and even stockpiles of petroleum/other sources of energy.

It won't be that bad for us, for third world countries it will be when all manner of civilization that they knew of is eliminated.

Sure things will be much mor expensive and crime rates will go up, but we won't be starving to death.

Chill. Thats the worse it can get.




not so bad for us? who Americans? does that make it okay that those other countries are going down the drain?

asia/china/India look like they have have more money than the western world at the moment so i think they will also be safe if the shit goes down.
yes its not a movie, because  most movies have a happy ending, but this story does not look like its gonna have a good one.





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monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.




You aren't charged a fee to live on earth...you are charged a fee to live in society because you use its assets every day. You could always run off to the woods and live a bohemian lifestyle, but you'd still have to work to grow your own food and survive. You could always go to a jungle and just hunt your own food...but that would take an awful lot of energy...so yeah I guess there's always a fee. :durrhurr:





is it not our society? its assets? are those what we have named the government and the banks?
despite the myth of scarcity we do live in a world of abundance even with the current population, its just that the whole system is based on profit.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
    #14089532 - 03/08/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

just take it a day at a time and you will handle it.  If you worry about what you have no control over you will have a very hard time.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14089760 - 03/08/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

thanks, i do realize that i must not let it get to me, its something that i am working on with great difficulty.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
    #14090658 - 03/09/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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At what point if any, would you be willing to promote a military intervention?

I ask this to those who say we should allow them to deal with their own political problems on their own for the most part.

I think the strongest nations of the world should invade and intervene ASAP because the global economy is already weak and is still in recovery. If high oil prices ensue for longer than a month, it will trigger a downturn of economic growth and spur the potential negative feed back loops and cycles that cause for recessions.

I really think stability is crucial and one of the biggest components of our economy is consumer/investor confidence.




The problem with those who have no access to revolutionary literature is they tend to think certain people around earth have certain levers and buttons they don't have. Arab-muslim countries cannot shut down oil production like they want to, if iran would exports its iranian revolution to saudi arabia there might be a domino effect and there would be such a counter-force to the united states but right now there is not.

Now about democracy i am not sure, i am not in favor of a democracy with more liars than our own and the decadence that we don't legalize here but will legalize there, i'm in favor of uplifting people from their poverty, giving them education and good moral values.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/4183816

Everywhere around the world we are doing just that whenever a crisis occur, and at every occasion there is, even people who are against pro-war agendas and will end up supporting war agenda by being entertaining the possibility or shutting their mouth off while the war is going on. our society does not censor people, it merely hides or obstruct indirectly information while pretending nothing is going on. the people in the media even have a culture of being hostile toward marginals.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
    #14091217 - 03/09/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Icelander said:
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monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.





You can handle it. :satansmoking:



can i? i dont know sometimes.


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Quote:

monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.




I don't see it like that.

It won't be that bad.

This isn't a movie, its real life.

There will be food price increases and energy prices increased, but we won't ever turn into africa/middle east/asia/india.


Our countries have stockpiles of grains, dried foods and even stockpiles of petroleum/other sources of energy.

It won't be that bad for us, for third world countries it will be when all manner of civilization that they knew of is eliminated.

Sure things will be much mor expensive and crime rates will go up, but we won't be starving to death.

Chill. Thats the worse it can get.




not so bad for us? who Americans? does that make it okay that those other countries are going down the drain?

asia/china/India look like they have have more money than the western world at the moment so i think they will also be safe if the shit goes down.
yes its not a movie, because  most movies have a happy ending, but this story does not look like its gonna have a good one.





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Quote:

monkiman said:
it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with.
that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up.
i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.




You aren't charged a fee to live on earth...you are charged a fee to live in society because you use its assets every day. You could always run off to the woods and live a bohemian lifestyle, but you'd still have to work to grow your own food and survive. You could always go to a jungle and just hunt your own food...but that would take an awful lot of energy...so yeah I guess there's always a fee. :durrhurr:





is it not our society? its assets? are those what we have named the government and the banks?
despite the myth of scarcity we do live in a world of abundance even with the current population, its just that the whole system is based on profit.




Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14091764 - 03/09/11 10:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?




I think he is arguing that we could have our lives free and perhaps work in order to pay for luxury? he is merely proposing a way to arrange things after all.

As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
    #14091830 - 03/09/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)


As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.

:thumbup:

As if I could just leave and go move into some land owned by someone else.  I had no choice being born where I was born. No one asked me if the system or culture that came with it is to my liking.  For better or worse I'm here and get to try to make it in any way I can.  If I can live here and find a way to ignore much of the current system that is in place then more power to me. Like I said I didn't choose to be born here.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
    #14094367 - 03/09/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody ever said anything about choosing where you're born. If you don't like things the only option besides acceptance of your circumstances is an attempt to change things. You can join a commune or try to unravel the structure of your society that many many people have a vested interest in.


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    #14094376 - 03/09/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?




I think he is arguing that we could have our lives free and perhaps work in order to pay for luxury? he is merely proposing a way to arrange things after all.

As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.




Aside from all the bloated federal problems...
Don't we do that now?  :confused:


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14094431 - 03/09/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody ever said anything about choosing where you're born. If you don't like things the only option besides acceptance of your circumstances is an attempt to change things. You can join a commune or try to unravel the structure of your society that many many people have a vested interest in.





Right, my point was someone (not you) telling me to move somewhere else if I don't like where I am is a silly notion.

I choose to accept things as they are and work with that. Not because I like it but because I think it's the best way to find some happiness in life.  I really don't think human nature is apt to change much durning the rest of my life and much longer. I plan on kicking back for what's left.:satansmoking:


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
    #14095634 - 03/09/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?




I think he is arguing that we could have our lives free and perhaps work in order to pay for luxury? he is merely proposing a way to arrange things after all.

As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.




yes, i dont  mind working for things like luxury items.i have worked hard my whole adult life.
yes i would opt out but i cant just go out into the woods and live off the land as i apparently do not own the land.

i am pointing out the fact the the current system is not sustainable and never will be.
food,shelter and health-care are essential for our survival but a large proportion of people on the planet have to fight, struggle and slave to get these things, some people are so fucked that they cant even be slaves as they are born into poverty.
i dont think its possible for a person born into poverty to go all zen and accept their situation, and they cannot escape either.

some people dont question the illusion as they are comfortable and dont want to rock the boat, or the people that own the system want to keep their illusion in place to make lots of money and keep the wealth in the hands of the elite.

to me all these things are obvious :shrug:


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
    #14097552 - 03/10/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"High oil prices will force innovations in alternative energy."

It's going to happen someday.  In fact, every time oil prices rise dramatically auto companies actually do increase funding to alternative energy research. 

I'm still not going to drive a Prius, they suck balls for a plethora of reasons.  We need something like hydrogen fuel to take off.  If electric can someday make engines of acceptable power (250+hp in low profile cars, 350+ for large vehicles), and also get decent distance per charge (chevy volt gets a pathetic 55 miles per charge I believe), THEN and only then will I switch :wink:

But if our economy goes into another recession this soon that will prove very bad. 

BUT it's all BS.  Libyan oil accounts for such a minute percent of world oil production it's really silly to raise gas prices because of it.  It's all speculators fucking with us to make more $$$. 

OPEC is the real issue.  They are an alliance of oil producing countries who agree to only produce certain amounts of oil in order to inflate prices.  Iran, Iraq(I think they still are) Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and a whole host of other countries are among the ranks of OPEC.  Last I checked Saudi Arabia only outputs like 10% of what it is capable of with it's current infrastructure. 

How to deal with OPEC?  IDK, we can't reasonably invade them all, and there isn't reasonable cause either.  How about we tap all of our domestic oil while funding research on alternative fuels?

Back to Libya, we could invade them as there are many crimes being committed by the gov't, but honestly the USA should not be the "leader" of that.  We've led enough invasions.  Let someone else in NATO lead this one.

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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: natural medicine]
    #14097607 - 03/10/11 12:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"is it not our society? its assets? are those what we have named the government and the banks?
despite the myth of scarcity we do live in a world of abundance even with the current population, its just that the whole system is based on profit."

Sorry for being lazy about quoting.  But I think that profit is the major driving force that keeps society moving forward.  Why work as hard as you can if you won't make direct gains from it?  I think that applies to all socioeconomic levels. 

My solution?  Make yourself doomsday proof!  as follows: 
Learn to be relatively self sufficient.  Growing your own food and medicines is very possible and will free up a lot of your income if the economy ever became so bad that you had to depend on it. 


As for our food stockpiles, yes we have grain stockpiled, but who is to say that it would be distributed to you and me?  And it would probably dry up within a few years if we ever drew heavily on it.  People eat a lot of food!


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: natural medicine]
    #14104123 - 03/11/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody should invade Lybia except the countries around it.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
    #14104325 - 03/11/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nobody should invade Lybia except the countries around it.




So it's OK if the US invades Canada?

Hell... might as well seeing as they're our bitch anyway.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #14104508 - 03/11/11 03:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So it's OK if the US invades Canada?

Hell... might as well seeing as they're our bitch anyway.




No, but it would at least be a democratic people of the same race or religion, the people of lybia would go behind them much more readily. those borders are completly fabricated and extremely new, way more than america's. they have much less historical justification. they still have alot, what i meant is if someone does it it should be the neighbours, let the people take care of their business, nobody should sell guns to any of those 2.

I said if someone does by the way. if the neighbours attack lybia the resulting government might be more democratic, but i personally would rather have gaddafi as a leader personally when it comes to geopolitics, the oil fields are simply too important to keep out of american hand for my own political goal, and the opposite as well.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
    #14104746 - 03/11/11 04:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't believe in the right of any nations to invade Libya, it would not only be disastrous to Libya's politics because it would fracture the resistance, but it would also be an expensive and unnecessary intervention.

However since the resistance has no air-force establishing a no-fly zone until the rebellion has concluded is a good idea. Similarly bombing some military targets being used by the state to kill resisters might help (Caution to only hit those overt military targets should be exercised). However, this is the maximum extent to which intervention should be exerted to help remove Qaddafi from power and allow a democracy to form organically rather than be imposed like in Iraq.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: ScavengerType]
    #14107833 - 03/12/11 08:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I don't believe in the right of any nations to invade Libya, it would not only be disastrous to Libya's politics because it would fracture the resistance, but it would also be an expensive and unnecessary intervention.




i mean right is a philosophical concept. the lybian government doesn't have the right to tax his own people according to those who don't respect state ideology. i just think those countries should be muslims, tyrannical muslims or nice muslims, just make it muslim.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
    #14107968 - 03/12/11 09:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't care for the Muslim religion myself.  Religions usually are about conquest and control of regions and populations and it's natural that they want to expand.  I have the same problem with Christianity and all beliefs in a fantasy controller god.


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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
    #14108018 - 03/12/11 09:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mind Transcribing said:
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Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?




Did monkiman actually say that someone is subsidizing his existence or that someone should?  He simply expressed his opinion of a profit driven society.


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