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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Eywa_devotee]
#14084342 - 03/07/11 11:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Eywa_devotee]
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Eywa_devotee said: Recession is not what will happen, more like worse than the 30's economic depression, followed by panic, civil war, famine, plagues and culminating in The End Of The World As We Knew It. Maybe not in that order, especially if plague is first. Then it will be plague followed by TEOTWAKI...

Don't forget your hemorrhoids, noting's going to compare to that.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
#14085333 - 03/08/11 06:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
You can handle it.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
#14086534 - 03/08/11 12:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
I don't see it like that.
It won't be that bad.
This isn't a movie, its real life.
There will be food price increases and energy prices increased, but we won't ever turn into africa/middle east/asia/india.
Our countries have stockpiles of grains, dried foods and even stockpiles of petroleum/other sources of energy.
It won't be that bad for us, for third world countries it will be when all manner of civilization that they knew of is eliminated.
Sure things will be much mor expensive and crime rates will go up, but we won't be starving to death.
Chill. Thats the worse it can get.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
#14087539 - 03/08/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
You aren't charged a fee to live on earth...you are charged a fee to live in society because you use its assets every day. You could always run off to the woods and live a bohemian lifestyle, but you'd still have to work to grow your own food and survive. You could always go to a jungle and just hunt your own food...but that would take an awful lot of energy...so yeah I guess there's always a fee.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#14087574 - 03/08/11 04:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Middle eastern "politics" you should be most worried about sending us into recession are the ones surrounding the Zionist controllers of our political and monetary system, and their empirical record of profiting off of both sides of their pre-planned and staged boom and bust scenario.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Shins]
#14088031 - 03/08/11 05:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Shins said: The Middle eastern "politics" you should be most worried about sending us into recession are the ones surrounding the Zionist controllers of our political and monetary system, and their empirical record of profiting off of both sides of their pre-planned and staged boom and bust scenario.
Just because they kick your ass in business doesn't mean they're bad people. Whatever rules they make , whatever rules you make, they will still beat you.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#14089442 - 03/08/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
You can handle it. 
can i? i dont know sometimes.
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
I don't see it like that.
It won't be that bad.
This isn't a movie, its real life.
There will be food price increases and energy prices increased, but we won't ever turn into africa/middle east/asia/india.
Our countries have stockpiles of grains, dried foods and even stockpiles of petroleum/other sources of energy.
It won't be that bad for us, for third world countries it will be when all manner of civilization that they knew of is eliminated.
Sure things will be much mor expensive and crime rates will go up, but we won't be starving to death.
Chill. Thats the worse it can get.
not so bad for us? who Americans? does that make it okay that those other countries are going down the drain? asia/china/India look like they have have more money than the western world at the moment so i think they will also be safe if the shit goes down. yes its not a movie, because most movies have a happy ending, but this story does not look like its gonna have a good one.
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
You aren't charged a fee to live on earth...you are charged a fee to live in society because you use its assets every day. You could always run off to the woods and live a bohemian lifestyle, but you'd still have to work to grow your own food and survive. You could always go to a jungle and just hunt your own food...but that would take an awful lot of energy...so yeah I guess there's always a fee. 
is it not our society? its assets? are those what we have named the government and the banks? despite the myth of scarcity we do live in a world of abundance even with the current population, its just that the whole system is based on profit.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
#14089532 - 03/08/11 10:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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just take it a day at a time and you will handle it. If you worry about what you have no control over you will have a very hard time.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
#14089760 - 03/08/11 10:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks, i do realize that i must not let it get to me, its something that i am working on with great difficulty.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
#14090658 - 03/09/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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At what point if any, would you be willing to promote a military intervention?
I ask this to those who say we should allow them to deal with their own political problems on their own for the most part.
I think the strongest nations of the world should invade and intervene ASAP because the global economy is already weak and is still in recovery. If high oil prices ensue for longer than a month, it will trigger a downturn of economic growth and spur the potential negative feed back loops and cycles that cause for recessions.
I really think stability is crucial and one of the biggest components of our economy is consumer/investor confidence.
The problem with those who have no access to revolutionary literature is they tend to think certain people around earth have certain levers and buttons they don't have. Arab-muslim countries cannot shut down oil production like they want to, if iran would exports its iranian revolution to saudi arabia there might be a domino effect and there would be such a counter-force to the united states but right now there is not.
Now about democracy i am not sure, i am not in favor of a democracy with more liars than our own and the decadence that we don't legalize here but will legalize there, i'm in favor of uplifting people from their poverty, giving them education and good moral values.
http://www.jstor.org/pss/4183816
Everywhere around the world we are doing just that whenever a crisis occur, and at every occasion there is, even people who are against pro-war agendas and will end up supporting war agenda by being entertaining the possibility or shutting their mouth off while the war is going on. our society does not censor people, it merely hides or obstruct indirectly information while pretending nothing is going on. the people in the media even have a culture of being hostile toward marginals.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
#14091217 - 03/09/11 07:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
You can handle it. 
can i? i dont know sometimes.
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
I don't see it like that.
It won't be that bad.
This isn't a movie, its real life.
There will be food price increases and energy prices increased, but we won't ever turn into africa/middle east/asia/india.
Our countries have stockpiles of grains, dried foods and even stockpiles of petroleum/other sources of energy.
It won't be that bad for us, for third world countries it will be when all manner of civilization that they knew of is eliminated.
Sure things will be much mor expensive and crime rates will go up, but we won't be starving to death.
Chill. Thats the worse it can get.
not so bad for us? who Americans? does that make it okay that those other countries are going down the drain? asia/china/India look like they have have more money than the western world at the moment so i think they will also be safe if the shit goes down. yes its not a movie, because most movies have a happy ending, but this story does not look like its gonna have a good one.
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monkiman said: it looks to me that the world economy is becoming the doomsday machine, the value of money is an illusion that everyone just agrees with. that fact that we are charged a fee to live on this earth and its fucked up. i know many people will not agree with this, but its just my opinion.
You aren't charged a fee to live on earth...you are charged a fee to live in society because you use its assets every day. You could always run off to the woods and live a bohemian lifestyle, but you'd still have to work to grow your own food and survive. You could always go to a jungle and just hunt your own food...but that would take an awful lot of energy...so yeah I guess there's always a fee. 
is it not our society? its assets? are those what we have named the government and the banks? despite the myth of scarcity we do live in a world of abundance even with the current population, its just that the whole system is based on profit.
Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
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Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?
I think he is arguing that we could have our lives free and perhaps work in order to pay for luxury? he is merely proposing a way to arrange things after all.
As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
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As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.

As if I could just leave and go move into some land owned by someone else. I had no choice being born where I was born. No one asked me if the system or culture that came with it is to my liking. For better or worse I'm here and get to try to make it in any way I can. If I can live here and find a way to ignore much of the current system that is in place then more power to me. Like I said I didn't choose to be born here.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Icelander]
#14094367 - 03/09/11 07:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nobody ever said anything about choosing where you're born. If you don't like things the only option besides acceptance of your circumstances is an attempt to change things. You can join a commune or try to unravel the structure of your society that many many people have a vested interest in.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
#14094376 - 03/09/11 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?
I think he is arguing that we could have our lives free and perhaps work in order to pay for luxury? he is merely proposing a way to arrange things after all.
As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.
Aside from all the bloated federal problems... Don't we do that now?
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: Mind Transcribing]
#14094431 - 03/09/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mind Transcribing said: Nobody ever said anything about choosing where you're born. If you don't like things the only option besides acceptance of your circumstances is an attempt to change things. You can join a commune or try to unravel the structure of your society that many many people have a vested interest in.
Right, my point was someone (not you) telling me to move somewhere else if I don't like where I am is a silly notion.
I choose to accept things as they are and work with that. Not because I like it but because I think it's the best way to find some happiness in life. I really don't think human nature is apt to change much durning the rest of my life and much longer. I plan on kicking back for what's left.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: communeart]
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communeart said:
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Nobody should bear the weight of subsidizing your existence simply because you exist. If you don't like this profit driven society why don't you just leave?
I think he is arguing that we could have our lives free and perhaps work in order to pay for luxury? he is merely proposing a way to arrange things after all.
As for leaving will you stop this fucking bullshit faggotry about leaving your society or creating your own goddamn hippy commune in some retarded place 500 km in the wood? We all know the only way to get your new society is to write a few books about why the world suck , get a billion dollar from a banker like lenin and the support of some military general and there ya go make your own frigging country the way you like it.
yes, i dont mind working for things like luxury items.i have worked hard my whole adult life. yes i would opt out but i cant just go out into the woods and live off the land as i apparently do not own the land.
i am pointing out the fact the the current system is not sustainable and never will be. food,shelter and health-care are essential for our survival but a large proportion of people on the planet have to fight, struggle and slave to get these things, some people are so fucked that they cant even be slaves as they are born into poverty. i dont think its possible for a person born into poverty to go all zen and accept their situation, and they cannot escape either.
some people dont question the illusion as they are comfortable and dont want to rock the boat, or the people that own the system want to keep their illusion in place to make lots of money and keep the wealth in the hands of the elite.
to me all these things are obvious
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: monkiman]
#14097552 - 03/10/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"High oil prices will force innovations in alternative energy."
It's going to happen someday. In fact, every time oil prices rise dramatically auto companies actually do increase funding to alternative energy research.
I'm still not going to drive a Prius, they suck balls for a plethora of reasons. We need something like hydrogen fuel to take off. If electric can someday make engines of acceptable power (250+hp in low profile cars, 350+ for large vehicles), and also get decent distance per charge (chevy volt gets a pathetic 55 miles per charge I believe), THEN and only then will I switch 
But if our economy goes into another recession this soon that will prove very bad.
BUT it's all BS. Libyan oil accounts for such a minute percent of world oil production it's really silly to raise gas prices because of it. It's all speculators fucking with us to make more $$$.
OPEC is the real issue. They are an alliance of oil producing countries who agree to only produce certain amounts of oil in order to inflate prices. Iran, Iraq(I think they still are) Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and a whole host of other countries are among the ranks of OPEC. Last I checked Saudi Arabia only outputs like 10% of what it is capable of with it's current infrastructure.
How to deal with OPEC? IDK, we can't reasonably invade them all, and there isn't reasonable cause either. How about we tap all of our domestic oil while funding research on alternative fuels?
Back to Libya, we could invade them as there are many crimes being committed by the gov't, but honestly the USA should not be the "leader" of that. We've led enough invasions. Let someone else in NATO lead this one.
-Sorry for rambling. I could say so much more but I'll spare y'all.
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Re: If the economy is sent into a recession due to middle eastern politics...... [Re: natural medicine]
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"is it not our society? its assets? are those what we have named the government and the banks? despite the myth of scarcity we do live in a world of abundance even with the current population, its just that the whole system is based on profit."
Sorry for being lazy about quoting. But I think that profit is the major driving force that keeps society moving forward. Why work as hard as you can if you won't make direct gains from it? I think that applies to all socioeconomic levels.
My solution? Make yourself doomsday proof! as follows: Learn to be relatively self sufficient. Growing your own food and medicines is very possible and will free up a lot of your income if the economy ever became so bad that you had to depend on it.
As for our food stockpiles, yes we have grain stockpiled, but who is to say that it would be distributed to you and me? And it would probably dry up within a few years if we ever drew heavily on it. People eat a lot of food!
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