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    #14079796 - 03/07/11 06:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I was thinking of using a Lexan clear plastic sheet for my mono window on top but it says that it has UV protection, which means it blocks some UV light. Would that mess with the amount of light

10" X 8" Clear Polycarbonate Sheet
250 times stronger than glass
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Blocks harmful UV Rays
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Wanted the 16"x12" but they only have that in glass.Will this be okay or should I use acrylic which doesn't say it has UV protection,
10" X 8" Clear Acrylic Sheet
Excellent weatherability and insulating properties
20 times stronger than glass
10 year non-yellowing warranty
Made in the USA
quick responses please I am leaving for store in an hour or so and I can't find a place that sells sheets of plexiglass.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14079816 - 03/07/11 07:09 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd take 'with UV'. :shrug:

Next time, consider using a clear tub.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: Doc_T]
    #14079823 - 03/07/11 07:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I looked and looked for a clear tub bought two of them but the lid is blue on both. I figure I would just use my saw and spend $1.34 instead of buying a whole new $10 tote. So the UV protection won't block any of my blue spectrum that pins like?


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14079827 - 03/07/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"With UV", no blocking.

But if the sides are clear... set it near a window.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: Doc_T]
    #14079844 - 03/07/11 07:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Can plexi glass be cut to size in Lowes just like regular glass or could I use just regular glass? I found a regular glass sheet at same store the exact right size while the plexi is either too big or too small?


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: Doc_T]
    #14079848 - 03/07/11 07:20 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd take 'with UV'. :shrug:

Next time, consider using a clear tub.




So I am confused, you are saying get the acrylic without UV protection?


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14079857 - 03/07/11 07:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

he's sayin your cool with your first option bro.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: Grungeman17]
    #14079899 - 03/07/11 07:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would go without the UV protection.  The best pin sets I've gotten were from sunlight monos


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14079994 - 03/07/11 08:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Can plexi glass be cut to size in Lowes just like regular glass or could I use just regular glass?




:bigyesnod:

I had two cut when I built my terrariums for my snake & Turtle...

Why wouldn't you just use saran-wrap?

Cut the hole in the lid, then duct tape the saran-wrap over the hole...?
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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14080207 - 03/07/11 09:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have a rig where my light is suspended 1/4 inch from the surface that it sits on top of, also want it to be a bit more permanent.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14080216 - 03/07/11 09:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Gone to at least 4 different stores for supplies, be back later, thanks DT and everyone else with your quick answers.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14083837 - 03/07/11 09:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just got back from my excursion, I had to go to at least 10 different stores. I forgot to get the plexi-glass but I have two of the same tubs so I think I am going to just save 11 bucks and cut out the bottom of one of the tubs and tape it over the hole I make in the lid for the other. I bought a cheap pillow for the pollyfil, 12 quart jars, high temp RTV silicone, Gypsum, 10 pounds of rye berries, a meat thermometer, a five gallon bucket with lid, and I borrowed a PC that will do six quarts at 15PSI. The only thing I couldn't find is a tyvek paint suit, the ones I saw said they blocked microns to 0.3 whatever that means but I didn't know if it was good enough.(Have all other tools and items also if I left anything out)

Does anyone know what kind of envelopes to ask for at the post office, I would feel kind of weird walking in asking for a bunch of tyvek envelopes and when they say what size I just say the biggest you got. What are the actual envelopes called because I stopped at the closed post office on the way home and went into the PO box room but they were all out of envelopes. The only envelopes I have ever seen from USPS are the cardboard ones. I even looked in the AC filter aisle at Meijer to see if anything looked like it would work.Could I have just used the paint suit I saw or does it have to be tyvek?

Someone please tell me what to ask for at the post office or tell me where to get some tyvek or something that will work better than polyfil.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14083900 - 03/07/11 09:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Can plexi glass be cut to size in Lowes just like regular glass or could I use just regular glass?




:bigyesnod:

I had two cut when I built my terrariums for my snake & Turtle...

Why wouldn't you just use saran-wrap?

Cut the hole in the lid, then duct tape the saran-wrap over the hole...?
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I have two totes that stack perfectly on top of each other so I am going to cut the bottom off of one and silicone and duct tape it to the hole I cut(it will actually let me cut a bigger window. Then I am going to tape and silicone some heavy plastic on the one with no bottom and make a glove box out of it. The reason is that my light source has to sit right on top of the window, I rigged it up by taking apart a lamp then tying the cord into a knot on the hook of a hanger that I bent in a "V" shape. It works awesome, holds the bulb about 1/4 inch from the window on top.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14084858 - 03/08/11 02:02 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Productive Procrastination: n. Doing stuff to keep busy while avoiding what really needs doing. When all is said and done, your room is clean, your laundry is folded, the SGFC has been misted and fanned -- but you haven't started your term paper.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14085108 - 03/08/11 03:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Can I use a filter cut from a paint suit with a .3 micron rating instead of a tyvek GE filter for quart rye jars?


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14085110 - 03/08/11 03:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

not sure of the microns but i know normal painters suits are tyvek so should be fine..


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: biologys]
    #14085121 - 03/08/11 03:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I looked at paint suits and they weren't tyvek, they were more like a dry acne pad or a round gauze pad consistency. They guy at the store told me the don't use tyvec on paint suits anymore and the new stuff is better


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14085124 - 03/08/11 03:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hmmm then idk, i always just use tyvek from usps.com they ship ya however many you want :shrug:


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: biologys]
    #14085145 - 03/08/11 03:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

todlow said that the USPS tyvek isnt as good as the paint suit, RR in his video uses 2 layers of the envelope tyvek.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14085158 - 03/08/11 04:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

negative, he used 2 layers of paint suit tyvek, the paint suits are thinner then the envelopes.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: biologys]
    #14088810 - 03/08/11 08:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Made my lid tonight from the bottom of an identical stacking tote and tested my PC, stayed at 15PSI 160F for 90 minutes no problem. Tomorrow I rinse add gypsum, soak rye,finish my self healing lids, add polyfil vent and finish my mono tub. Next day I boil and shake mix with sub and then fill jars and PC them, if I get done soon enough I will inoc. Who am I kidding I am staying up till they are prego. 10 more days after tomorrow I will be able to peek at them.


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    #14091590 - 03/09/11 09:54 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Rinsed Rye and it is soaking now with gypsum. I finished my monotub except for the trash bag at the bottom, I got plenty of time before I need that. Started making some self healing lids that I am going to use polyfil as a GE filter, drilled the hole pretty big for the GE hole, scratched the area around the noc hole so the high temp rtv would stick. I guess tomorrow I will be PCing and nocing six rye jars. I just hope I have enough verm left to do both spawn and sub.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14091745 - 03/09/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Rinsed Rye and it is soaking now with gypsum. I finished my monotub except for the trash bag at the bottom, I got plenty of time before I need that. Started making some self healing lids that I am going to use polyfil as a GE filter, drilled the hole pretty big for the GE hole, scratched the area around the noc hole so the high temp rtv would stick. I guess tomorrow I will be PCing and nocing six rye jars. I just hope I have enough verm left to do both spawn and sub.




Polyfil is NOT a contam barrier. Use tyvek or SFD or E-Z-Felt.

I've never scratched my lids to get the RTV to adhere. It does so w/out scratching, just tryin' to save ya some time brotha.

How big is your GE hole?

Also, you don't HAVE to put a trash bag in a mono, it just helps w/ side pins.


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14091769 - 03/09/11 10:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Rinsed Rye and it is soaking now with gypsum. I finished my monotub except for the trash bag at the bottom, I got plenty of time before I need that. Started making some self healing lids that I am going to use polyfil as a GE filter, drilled the hole pretty big for the GE hole, scratched the area around the noc hole so the high temp rtv would stick. I guess tomorrow I will be PCing and nocing six rye jars. I just hope I have enough verm left to do both spawn and sub.




Polyfil is NOT a contam barrier. Use tyvek or SFD or E-Z-Felt.

I've never scratched my lids to get the RTV to adhere. It does so w/out scratching, just tryin' to save ya some time brotha.

How big is your GE hole?

Also, you don't HAVE to put a trash bag in a mono, it just helps w/ side pins.




alot of ppl use polyfil as a filter in their grain jars....with great success

I used to as well, just found tyvek to be alot easier and simplier..


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Rinsed Rye and it is soaking now with gypsum. I finished my monotub except for the trash bag at the bottom, I got plenty of time before I need that. Started making some self healing lids that I am going to use polyfil as a GE filter, drilled the hole pretty big for the GE hole, scratched the area around the noc hole so the high temp rtv would stick. I guess tomorrow I will be PCing and nocing six rye jars. I just hope I have enough verm left to do both spawn and sub.




Polyfil is NOT a contam barrier. Use tyvek or SFD or E-Z-Felt.

I've never scratched my lids to get the RTV to adhere. It does so w/out scratching, just tryin' to save ya some time brotha.

How big is your GE hole?

Also, you don't HAVE to put a trash bag in a mono, it just helps w/ side pins.




alot of ppl use polyfil as a filter in their grain jars....with great success

I used to as well, just found tyvek to be alot easier and simplier..




Just because a lot of people use it doesn't make it true. Polyfil is not a filtering media. It is a AE restricting media. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12543108
I just got into this same discussion on another thread. People do use it as a filter media, but it's not meant for such use. Those people that do use it & don't get contams are extremely lucky.

I don't know why everyone wants to take short cuts on things that you shouldn't skimp on. Sterile issues are something I never skip on. &, in all honesty, $12 for 12 100mm SFD is a good deal considering that's 60-72 jars...that the filter media will never go bad on...

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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14091879 - 03/09/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it's a debate that I myself am not getting into...i use tyvek so im not going to argue about it lol


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    #14091937 - 03/09/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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it's a debate that I myself am not getting into...i use tyvek so im not going to argue about it lol




I don't want to get into it either. It's going on in the other thread...


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Re: Progress [Re: biologys]
    #14091946 - 03/09/11 11:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My GE hole is 3/8 inch, my noc hole is 1/4 inch.

RR or someone said yesterday that the tyvek from envelopes is crap because it is so thin, I dont have the time or money to order filter disks, all of the paint suits looked more like cotton, they said that they block up to .3 microns dry but they looked like they would hold moisture, which would be bad.

Bio do you know any alternative contam barrier/GE filter I could use that you can find locally pretty easy and cheap, like some kind of medical disc from a drug store or something? Could I just use bandaids doubled up in an X pattern. Or would the paint suits that aren't tyvek work? Otherwise, if I can't find something local and cheap in the next few days then polyfil will be my only option.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14091965 - 03/09/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I doubt they (non tyvek paint suits)would retain that .3 micron rating after autoclaving.  In fact, tyvek often opens up the pores, or closes them off in the sterilizer.  I no longer use it for jar filters for that reason. Tyvek envelopes are even worse because they're so thin.

Order some synthetic filter disks, or use polyfill.
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    #14091987 - 03/09/11 11:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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it's a debate that I myself am not getting into...i use tyvek so im not going to argue about it lol




I don't want to get into it either. It's going on in the other thread...




Iv made at least 100+ 1L jars using polyfil and I have not had a
single contaminate because of it.

That goes beyond being lucky, when used properly polyfil is an effective
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    #14092014 - 03/09/11 11:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Is it really that important? I just don't see any contam spores landing on my polyfil filter on a shelf in my closet and working it's way down through it.


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    #14092041 - 03/09/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I used polyfil for ALL my jars up until last week when a generous
member sent me some SFD to try out. Like I said above I have never
had a contaminate attributed to the polyfil filter.

If you have the extra $$ spring for some SFD for sure, but for you
to say(todlow) that anyone who uses polyfil without contaminates is
lucky does not hold any water with me. When used properly and snugged
into a hole using a pair of pliers it has worked 100% of the time for
me. That is a pretty high percentage for luck.

I must say I am hooked on SFD now for ease of use and re-usability,
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    #14092071 - 03/09/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ye im a polyfil kinda guy.

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    #14092076 - 03/09/11 11:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Bio do you know any alternative contam barrier/GE filter I could use that you can find locally pretty easy and cheap, like some kind of medical disc from a drug store or something? .




E-Z-Felt from a local hobby store cut to size...3/8" is fine. That's what I use. I've got a couple of jars w/ 1/2" & others w/ (2) 1/4" holes. I've noticed no difference between the 3 styles.

Evil - I understand people use it as filter material, I just don't feel as though the benefits outweigh the risks. Besides, w/ SFD's they're done once they're siliconed to the lid. Never mess w/ them again & no worries about contams. How those Whatmans turn out for ya?

& whatever on the polyfil, if it works for you guys, it works, but I'm not going to tell anyone to use it as filter media...:2cents:


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    #14092097 - 03/09/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all of my agar to LC are clean so far, and i use polyfil in them :shrug:

i just like the ease of tyvek(envelopes) for grain jars, and have great success with it..

but just as you said evil i got some SFD in a trade and im going to make about 20 jars tonight with them and silicon to test them out

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    #14092109 - 03/09/11 11:44 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Evil - I understand people use it as filter material, I just don't feel as though the benefits outweigh the risks. Besides, w/ SFD's they're done once they're siliconed to the lid. Never mess w/ them again & no worries about contams. How those Whatmans turn out for ya?

& whatever on the polyfil, if it works for you guys, it works, but I'm not going to tell anyone to use it as filter media...:2cents:




I just personally have not seen these risks you speak of, to each there
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As for the whatmans, I actually have gifted them out as bonus's in a
lot of my trades so only have a few left to play with. Next time I
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    #14092125 - 03/09/11 11:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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all of my agar to LC are clean so far, and i use polyfil in them :shrug:

i just like the ease of tyvek(envelopes) for grain jars, and have great success with it..

but just as you said evil i got some SFD in a trade and im going to make about 20 jars tonight with them and silicon to test them out

i have some nice shiitake and p. mexicana LC's that i need to get started using in some jars ;p




Cut them to size...You will be very happy. I use my cutting head for my dremel tool to trace a perfect circle that covers my 3/8".



Evil - :awethumb: :pm: me if ya need more, I haven't forgotten what originally happened :wink:. I still have a few hundred extra (haven't even opened my second box, actually). I have absolutely NO problem w/ them in my LC's. Actually, I just made up some 1/4 pint agar dishes for clones the other day w/ the Whatmans too. I've PC'd some of the Whatmans twice & they're fine...if you were worried about that


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    #14092277 - 03/09/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Bio do you know any alternative contam barrier/GE filter I could use that you can find locally pretty easy and cheap, like some kind of medical disc from a drug store or something? .




E-Z-Felt from a local hobby store cut to size...3/8" is fine. That's what I use. I've got a couple of jars w/ 1/2" & others w/ (2) 1/4" holes. I've noticed no difference between the 3 styles.



Evil - I understand people use it as filter material, I just don't feel as though the benefits outweigh the risks. Besides, w/ SFD's they're done once they're siliconed to the lid. Never mess w/ them again & no worries about contams. How those Whatmans turn out for ya?

& whatever on the polyfil, if it works for you guys, it works, but I'm not going to tell anyone to use it as filter media...:2cents:






Does the E-Z felt protect rating protect to smaller than .6 microns, or do you even know. Thank you BTW, I didn't have an alternative because my town hates tyvek or something but now I do.




Also can someone link me that thread where they are discussing this so I can kill this thread.

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Evil - I understand people use it as filter material, I just don't feel as though the benefits outweigh the risks. Besides, w/ SFD's they're done once they're siliconed to the lid. Never mess w/ them again & no worries about contams. How those Whatmans turn out for ya?

& whatever on the polyfil, if it works for you guys, it works, but I'm not going to tell anyone to use it as filter media...:2cents:




I just personally have not seen these risks you speak of, to each there
own but IMO there is more then one way to skin a cat.

As for the whatmans, I actually have gifted them out as bonus's in a
lot of my trades so only have a few left to play with. Next time I
make an LC I will let you know how it goes, I am sure it will be good
as I have heard nothing but good things about the whatman filters.




As for the filter disks I couldn't tell if they were the right kind but they were lab disks, I know the ones at everything mushroom, but I will be cooking the grains and PCing them tomorrow, SO, if I just use a glovebox and sterile procedures, I should be okay with the polyfil I think.

The worst thing is that I have never done this and if I did read how tight to pack it I think it said medium tight"use your judgment". But my polyfil is from a new pillow and it is very hard to get it to stuff in tight. I got it to look like the bubble shape on the inside but it still felt loose, I wish there was a way to roll it in your fingers and tell if the polyfil jar filter was the perfect tightness before you put it in there. Can you Twist it? I don't wana go fondle a brand new pillow.

I know I that I have a thread on this I posted the original question on wrong thread or it just got changed in the middle or something, don't feel like reading it. I will just make a question post and a Progress post and change the name of the first post so that I am not double and multi posting.

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Quote:

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all of my agar to LC are clean so far, and i use polyfil in them :shrug:

i just like the ease of tyvek(envelopes) for grain jars, and have great success with it..

but just as you said evil i got some SFD in a trade and im going to make about 20 jars tonight with them and silicon to test them out

i have some nice shiitake and p. mexicana LC's that i need to get started using in some jars ;p




Cut them to size...You will be very happy. I use my cutting head for my dremel tool to trace a perfect circle that covers my 3/8".



Evil - :awethumb: :pm: me if ya need more, I haven't forgotten what originally happened :wink:. I still have a few hundred extra (haven't even opened my second box, actually). I have absolutely NO problem w/ them in my LC's. Actually, I just made up some 1/4 pint agar dishes for clones the other day w/ the Whatmans too. I've PC'd some of the Whatmans twice & they're fine...if you were worried about that




Could I use a bandaid? WIll that EZ stuff keep out bacteria, and mold spores?


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    #14092315 - 03/09/11 12:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just because it came out of a pillow, does not mean it is polyfil first
off.

Goto a craft store and get a big bag of polyfil for $2-5. Then you
KNOW it is polyfil and not some other material/cotton.

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    #14092357 - 03/09/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

" You just squeeze THIS HARD." LOL I wish I gould thing of a way to compare the tightness to something, (like maybe a foam stress ball or a pair of folded socks), how tight you should have it at on my holes during colonization and then about how loose to make it for my monotub holes.

I don't even know to judge how tight I should make the GE hole I need to make a test hole and practice it or something, guess I could practice the mono's holes too.


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    #14092448 - 03/09/11 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I personally like to use the tyvek paint suits for filters, they have worked great.....But throw them away after one round through the PC.  I will eventually make the upgrade to the REAL tyvek filters in the future.....


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    #14092486 - 03/09/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't find tyvek and I am soaking grain right now. Someone told me EZ-felt but I don't know what kind of Hobby store to call and see if the have it because I have never seen or heard of it. Back to google to search it, prob end up using polyfil.


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    #14092493 - 03/09/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I said E-Z-Felt...Hobby lobbyists.  Wally world...etc..


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    #14092521 - 03/09/11 01:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You're back  :bender: what is EZ-felt?
Like what is it used on, look like, and is it water resistant like tyvek?

I go back to google and look again but I don't know what hobby place to call, one that sells radio control stuff, or one that sells flowers and beads.

I don't even know what it's for I will figure it out and find it though if you think it will be better than poly for GE and protection from contams.


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    #14092568 - 03/09/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not really sure of the qualities of it. Boris & Barakanaten use it all the time.

The place w/ beads probably is your best bet.

You check out dude's gallery like I told ya?

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    #14092735 - 03/09/11 01:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I looked at his profile but couldn't find home.

Couldn't I just get a package of good disposable face masks and cut circles out of them or something and just try to be careful not to hit the hole when I shake at 30-40%?


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IDK about the face masks.

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    #14092839 - 03/09/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What about fiberglass hepa filter vaccuum cleaner bags, I can for sure get those


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    #14092889 - 03/09/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Uv is a completely different light wavelength in the spectrum so it would only block that not the blue.


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    #14092893 - 03/09/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:awewtf: what are you talking about runningfox?

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What about fiberglass hepa filter vaccuum cleaner bags, I can for sure get those




:justdontknow: I'm not going to recommend anything I haven't seen/can guarantee will work.

The way others have innovated is that they just tried it & said "hey! this shit works" so :shru2: try it...If it works awesome, if it doesn't...o well. Grain is cheap


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    #14093031 - 03/09/11 03:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would think that a cheap fiberglass hepa filter type vaccuum bag would work, just because it is designed to filter the air through and keep the dirt inside. So in theory, it would let out gases and keep out contams.


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    #14093237 - 03/09/11 03:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

either try it and post the results or use something that you know works. god damn.


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    #14093673 - 03/09/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I will try surgical mask filter on
one since I have an extra jar anyway
and post results.
I was just trying to get opinions
from someone that reads my post
that has tried more things
like the different filters.

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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14093866 - 03/09/11 05:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It would be nice if someone was like me once and couldn't get the right tyvek, ran out of time, and used a piece of a white face mask and none contamed and they have been doing it the same way ever since. I ask allot of questions but that is because I am a noob.

I just need to do things by a specific tek they say, parts of all the teks I have seen are outdated in some way or another.

If you don't want to answer a question, give good advice or contribute in some other positive way please don't respond. I am here to learn I don't need any drama.

I need suggestions and answers, and I just want to know everyones technique so that I can refine them all into one and have a decent grow for my second time. Can someone be nice and tell me if they think that a hepa bag piece or a piece of one of those white face masks would work, or not, and why. I am using Damions 50/50, RRs rye, and a monotub inspired from all different mono grows, same general design as the teks with a slightly smaller tub and smaller holes. All I have to do is follow the instructions for all that, but I don't see any alternative TEKs for a better contam/bug barrier than poly for vent holes on grain jars. If one of them works I might just make one jar with a different material every time to see if any of the hepa or facemask jars contam.



As far as I know this is a web forum about helping people by letting them discuss cultivation techniques for gourmet and medicinal mushrooms.
I could some knowledge from the filter paper and micron, microbe, spore department. If any trusted cultivator has tried different materials than polyfil and tyvek pleas let me know.:mushroomgrow:


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14095502 - 03/09/11 10:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Im not sure about the hepa thing you are talking about.....But those white masks aren't designed for blocking spores or what not....they are like dust masks.  I do alot of demolition and have worked in filthy conditions with tons of air born particles floating around and those "white" masks aint worth shit.....You may work with them and have success, but people also use coffee filters and have success...and coffee filters suck.....


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Re: Progress [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14095571 - 03/09/11 10:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Im not sure about the hepa thing you are talking about.....But those white masks aren't designed for blocking spores or what not....they are like dust masks.  I do alot of demolition and have worked in filthy conditions with tons of air born particles floating around and those "white" masks aint worth shit.....You may work with them and have success, but people also use coffee filters and have success...and coffee filters suck.....





those dusk masks only block large particles and will not filter trich or other mold spores.


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    #14096000 - 03/10/11 12:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:awewtf: what are you talking about runningfox?

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I was thinking of using a Lexan clear plastic sheet for my mono window on top but it says that it has UV protection, which means it blocks some UV light. Would that mess with the amount of light



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So the UV protection won't block any of my blue spectrum that pins like?





I was replying, unfortunately using my BBerry and didn't have time to source an image til now to explain.  If he got the UV blocking lexan, it wouldn't block out the blue spectrum.  It would only block out the UV wavelengths(in nanometers) (not that its actually visible ...to us anyways)


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    #14096761 - 03/10/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:awewtf: what are you talking about runningfox?

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I was thinking of using a Lexan clear plastic sheet for my mono window on top but it says that it has UV protection, which means it blocks some UV light. Would that mess with the amount of light



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So the UV protection won't block any of my blue spectrum that pins like?





I was replying, unfortunately using my BBerry and didn't have time to source an image til now to explain.  If he got the UV blocking lexan, it wouldn't block out the blue spectrum.  It would only block out the UV wavelengths(in nanometers) (not that its actually visible ...to us anyways)




I just bought two cheap stackable tubs (clear bottom colored top) from wal-mart and cut the bottom off of one. I then cut a hole in one of the colored lids and used double sided tape, silicone to fill in any spaces, and then duct tape. If you have another tub or can get two the same size that are stackable this works great and is cheaper than the UV protected stuff. I found my tubs on sale for a little over 3$ a piece and the piece of plexiglass I was gonna buy was more than 14$. Hope this helps.


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    #14096769 - 03/10/11 08:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Does it matter how long it takes my grains to come to a boil in the first step where you steam off the moisture, I don't want to turn the heat up too high because I am afraid I might scorch the bottom grains? I am stirring regularly but they are taking forever to heat up on med/high heat. They have been cooking almost a half an hour and still not boiling.


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    #14096770 - 03/10/11 08:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Turn the stove on high & constantly stir, especially after 15 minutes on the stove. All my burst kernels come during this stage when I don't stir properly...or use WBS


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    #14096772 - 03/10/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Put on high,stir and when it reach full boil,take it down so its just simmering! Thats it...


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    #14096940 - 03/10/11 10:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How far up the jars can the water in the PC be? Will just a few inches of water last for 90 minutes?


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    #14096944 - 03/10/11 10:06 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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How far up the jars can the water in the PC be? Will just a few inches of water last for 90 minutes?




YUP!!!

Put something in the PC so jar are not in direct conntact with bottom!


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    #14096950 - 03/10/11 10:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I use 1-2 inches and PC for 120 minutes. I also use one of the metal
inserts to go on the very bottom so my jars are not getting direct
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    #14097017 - 03/10/11 10:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thx evil shroom, I had it exactly right, I am going to start it as soon as I go change a poopy diaper.


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    #14097024 - 03/10/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shouldn't you be out of diapers by now?

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    #14097030 - 03/10/11 10:25 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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    #14097121 - 03/10/11 10:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well fortunately I don't wear diapers, but I have a little eating pooping machine that does.  :crazybaby::cuteshit: :poop:


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    #14097163 - 03/10/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well fortunately I don't wear diapers, but I have a little eating pooping machine that does.  :crazybaby::cuteshit: :poop:




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    #14097362 - 03/10/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What is the max temp the outside of the pressure cooker can get without ruining my grains? I read it should be between 140 and 160F but my pressure cooker is getting over 200f at 15 PSI. :aweman:

Also the weight isn't agitating constantly, does that mean it is building back up to 15 PSI and then agitating out the excess steam?


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    #14097380 - 03/10/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What is the max temp the outside of the pressure cooker can get without ruining my grains? I read it should be between 140 and 160F but my pressure cooker is getting over 200f at 15 PSI. :aweman:




Pressure cooking @ 15 PSI is @ 250f...I don't know where you read the 140-160, but that sounds like pasteurization not sterilization to me...

They'll be fine. why are you worried about the Exterior of your PC anyways? Just let the toggle weight rock then turn down the stove. You don't want it to rock but every 5-10 minutes...


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    #14097424 - 03/10/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks todlow, I think I didn't turn it down enough after it started boiling. It was rocking every 30 seconds or so, I had it on medium. I have now turned it down to medium low and it is rocking less often.


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    #14097456 - 03/10/11 12:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Thanks todlow, I think I didn't turn it down enough after it started boiling. It was rocking every 30 seconds or so, I had it on medium. I have now turned it down to medium low and it is rocking less often.




:awethumb: When I first started I went by the instructions on the PC for the rocker, then found out it should really on rock the first 5 minutes of the run then turn it down & keep it so it only rocks every so often. I've been able to have longer PC runs now & am using less water...

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    #14097493 - 03/10/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

You could get a 1000 foot long black water hose, lay it back and forth across the roof of your house, attach the hose to your hot water outlet and all summer you would have free hot water. (when the sun was shining)

Possible but not practical I guess.


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    #14097899 - 03/10/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Done PCing, now I wait, wish me luck on the inoc. I plan on doing 2ccs per jar in 3 different spots.


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    #14097962 - 03/10/11 01:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I do one CC per jar. While the needle is in, I make a circular motion w/ the syringe while expunging my solution. I get about 3/4 of a cc around the jar then use the last 1/4 to douse the inside of the jar facing me...


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    #14099475 - 03/10/11 05:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My PCer is old and dirty when should I take the jars out?

I have a clean tote with the bottom cut out
sitting on a clean surface off of the ground
In a clean closet...
I don't want to leave my jars in an old PCer,
that has probable been use more than me...
The box has been sterilized along with the shelf,
when can I plan on taking them out of the PC?

I searched and found a two year old post but I want to know of somone and their way they consistantly take jars out of pc and then when they will be cool enough to noc up:winner:
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    #14099872 - 03/10/11 06:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

After the pressure is down to nothing, I give it an hour and a half and take them out to give the grains a nice shake to break up any clumps if there is any while its still warm.....Then I set them down somewhere where they can cool down more.  When they are cool to the touch I wait like a half hour and then inoculate


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    #14099920 - 03/10/11 07:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My grain doesn't all look swollen with moisture now that they have been PCd, some of them have shriveled back up a little. Did I cook them too hot or long or is this normal?

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    #14099978 - 03/10/11 07:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

take a pic..


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    #14099983 - 03/10/11 07:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I don't think they can actually shrink back up.....If anything they would explode.  Take a pic and I'll take a look....


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    #14100171 - 03/10/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Some of them look like they shrunk and shriveled a little.


Most of them still look good and plump
that looked like the driest spot


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    #14100274 - 03/10/11 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

they look ok to me, :shrug: but i dont use rye so idk maybe someone else can say


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    #14100282 - 03/10/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well I guess I will just noc them up in an hour or so if you don't see anything wrong with them, They feel completely cool to the touch now.


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    #14100339 - 03/10/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have a box set up in a closet I have been lysoling with a tote in it raised with spacers off the shelf upside down for GE, but they will be covered until they are 100% because I don't trust the polyfil. I am going to colonize them in there since it has the least airflow in the house, the tub should keep things from falling on the lids and provide enough GE with the spacers. Me checking on them should move enough air, closet door stays open.


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    #14100357 - 03/10/11 08:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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    #14100370 - 03/10/11 08:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah they look like the ones in RRs video, I just tend to look to close sometimes. They will probably be okay:billnye:


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    #14107837 - 03/12/11 08:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I put a jar of hot water in my open air box covering my rye jars today because the temp was only 60-64 in there. Hopefully we will get some sunshine today so I wont have to keep changing the water. I want to see growth by at least day 7 so I am hoping I can warm that room up to a little over 70F.


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    #14113774 - 03/13/11 11:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Got my closet up to 70F today and moved the jars to the top shelf where it is warmer.(thanks sun! :shineon: )

I think that I will use the last 4ccs of my EQ syringe to make some grain jars for easy LCs, in case my six jars I have going go south for some reason.

I have allot of research to do on the matter but I will start it in a week or so, by then my jars should be showing some growth.

I do have one question about filter patches for quart grain jars. In RRs video he puts the filters on the inside but I thought I read a post where he said not to put the disks on the inside because they could become wet and invite in contams.

My question is, can you take filter disks or patches, cut them into squares and High temp RTV them to your GE hole and then re use the lid and all after sterilizing them? I want to use the best method for my GE filter and RR says that tyvek can open its pores during PCing and I also would like to be able to re use my lids without re doing silicone every time.


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    #14113830 - 03/13/11 11:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I do have one question about filter patches for quart grain jars. In RRs video he puts the filters on the inside but I thought I read a post where he said not to put the disks on the inside because they could become wet and invite in contams.




Put your SFD ON TOP of your lid


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My question is, can you take filter disks or patches, cut them into squares and High temp RTV them to your GE hole and then re use the lid and all after sterilizing them? I want to use the best method for my GE filter and RR says that tyvek can open its pores during PCing and I also would like to be able to re use my lids without re doing silicone every time.




:bigyesnod: I always cut my filters to fit my GE hole then permanently adhere the to the TOP of my lid w/ RTV:



I wipe off the left over myc and grain on the under side of the lid, put on a new jar filled w/ grain & PC.

NO reason to re-do anything.  Also, with this lid design, you don't need to put foil over your lids when you PC them. Since I stopped putting foil on my lids, I have less condensation on them when I take them outta the PC 12 hours later.


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    #14113882 - 03/13/11 11:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So the filter disks are water proof? Not even any steam gets down in there?


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    #14113904 - 03/13/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nope....They're .22 um...water molecules are too large to pass through via steam.

With foil on my lids, after I took them outta the PC, I'd notice that my SFD was wet. No, since I don't use foil, every time I take them outta the PC, they're dry.


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    #14113933 - 03/13/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

NICE! Thanks todlow!
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    #14113952 - 03/13/11 12:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

everythingmushrooms.com carries them for $12 for 12 100mm SFD's. I get 5-6 lids per SFD, that's 60-72 lids for $12...or 16-20 cents per lid. As long as I get everything that I need to done today, which is a ton o shit...I'm going to have all my lid teks up for ya. I'll :pm: ya when they're done. Also, they'll be in my signature.

Reuse forever. That's why they're such a good investment. Same thing as Whatmans that are autoclavable/PCable.


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    #14113978 - 03/13/11 12:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)




my first time with SFD's, just made them up lastnight

traced out a quarter on them, then cut out the circles.


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    #14114005 - 03/13/11 12:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid: That's exactly what I'm saying. People will go all :blah::downswords: about the cash for the disks, but once you weigh out your other options of having to use foil + change the filter every so often, you'll see that SFD's are the way to go.

SFD's you stick down w/ silicone & reuse for life...Then once your lid is dead, you just peel of the SFD, clean off the silicone then re-apply to a fresh lid. I believe your lid will wear out before your SFD...:2cents:


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    #14114188 - 03/13/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome I just ordered 12 of the 90mm ones from everything mush. Didn't see 100mm one I think you meant 90mm.

Should I silicone the bottom of the disc and then go around the outside edge too or is just the bottom good enough?


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    #14114199 - 03/13/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

all i did was put a good amount around the hole in my jar lid, then place the disc on..pressed down good and tight, then took my finger ( be sure to wet your finger so silicone doesn't stick and make a mess) and ran it around the disc to sort of seal it around the edges.


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    #14114219 - 03/13/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:bigyesnod: I always cut my filters to fit my GE hole then permanently adhere the to the TOP of my lid w/ RTV:



I wipe off the left over myc and grain on the under side of the lid, put on a new jar filled w/ grain & PC.

NO reason to re-do anything.  Also, with this lid design, you don't need to put foil over your lids when you PC them. Since I stopped putting foil on my lids, I have less condensation on them when I take them outta the PC 12 hours later.




Do you put your lids on upside down like in the RR video or you put them on with the inside down?


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    #14114326 - 03/13/11 01:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just took pics of where my jars are sitting gonna post them and a pic of my "overdone", but cool looking mono after my girl gets off the laptop with the card reader. Wish me luck with that one LOL.


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    #14114346 - 03/13/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Inside of lid down full tightened. The SFDs allow for enough air exchange to keep pressure equal between the interior of the PC & interior of the jar.

Racks w/ holes in the bottom are the best. You're allowing for air to freely move around your jars, which you want. It helps keep the temps reg. throughout the jar.


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    #14114427 - 03/13/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I will try surgical mask filter on
one since I have an extra jar anyway
and post results.
I was just trying to get opinions
from someone that reads my post
that has tried more things
like the different filters.

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I was wondering if surgical masks would work too.  After some google work I found that there are tyvek and non-tyvek surgical masks.  I am guessing the tyvek ones would work no problem.  As for the non-tyvek masks, your guess is as good as mine.

And to say they won't work out of hand because they are basically dusk masks may be inaccurate because it is a function of their intended use, ie to fit loosely on the face.  Not to be sealed on top of jars.  Enigma, I am interested to hear how they turned out.


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    #14114436 - 03/13/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So, T-Low, you're saying i shouldn't put foil on my lids?


I've always used foil on everything, and this first time using SFD i assumed i would use it on these as well??


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    #14114497 - 03/13/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I ended up using polyfil on all of them just because I am lazy and I only had 3 dust masks which I throw away after each use, and I use them when inocing so I just saved the other two in the package. I did not know that they sold tyvek dust masks and that is something I would definately like to try experimenting with in the future.

As for now I just bought 12 SFDs so that I don't have to worry about finding tyvek every time. Even though my SFDs will last me, I will still be looking for a tyvek dust mask just to see how it stands up to the PCing and if they are cheap I might use them for my PF cakes to save some money, if they survive the PCing.(If they survive a 90 minute PCing on a test jar and get no contams I am sure they would work for BRF jars and I could leave out that pesky dry verm layer)

You could just make a self healing inoc port in middle of BRF jar and lean the jar to get it to run down the four sides if there was a filter and no dry verm...maybe?


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    #14114507 - 03/13/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nope. I wouldn't recommend it w/ SFDs...Try 1/2 w/ & 1/2 w/out...see which way you like better. I bet you'll be surprised.

Enigma - here's that pic of my GLC 1 week after I hit it up w/ 60cc of Clean LC solution (clean as in not inoculated yet). The first picture is of just distilled water GLC (for comparison).



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    #14114527 - 03/13/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So, T-Low, you're saying i shouldn't put foil on my lids?


I've always used foil on everything, and this first time using SFD i assumed i would use it on these as well??




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Put your SFD ON TOP of your lid

:bigyesnod: I always cut my filters to fit my GE hole then permanently adhere the to the TOP of my lid w/ RTV:



I wipe off the left over myc and grain on the under side of the lid, put on a new jar filled w/ grain & PC.

NO reason to re-do anything.  Also, with this lid design, you don't need to put foil over your lids when you PC them. Since I stopped putting foil on my lids, I have less condensation on them when I take them outta the PC 12 hours later.





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So the filter disks are water proof? Not even any steam gets down in there?





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Nope....They're .22 um...water molecules are too large to pass through via steam.

With foil on my lids, after I took them outta the PC, I'd notice that my SFD was wet. No, since I don't use foil, every time I take them outta the PC, they're dry.




What if you get too much water in your PC, because say inexperience, will water pass through the SFDs in liquid form?


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    #14114530 - 03/13/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I am in the middle of making all of my jars right now.  I think I will just use tyvek envelopes for now and buy some filter disks later on when I get a little more serious.  I was going to make some nice plastic lids, but the mad season is out of the gaskets for them, lame....


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    #14114550 - 03/13/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The only way water is going to pass through them is if you have them submerged under water...


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    #14114684 - 03/13/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is my ghetto mono with the bottom of another tub for a lid window, and the bottomless tub sitting over top of my rye berry jars inoced almost three days ago.




Overkill on the lid I know, I was bored....
The lid window was duct taped securely on both sides I just added the rest to cover the tape and make it purty, lol.


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    #14114701 - 03/13/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have a question, I let the most of the spore solution run down the sides of my jars because I knew no better. Is this bad, will they still colonize?


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    #14115529 - 03/13/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The only way water is going to pass through them is if you have them submerged under water...





How much water do you need in the PC? My thing that goes in the bottom is only like 1/2 inch off the bottom and if I put jar lids under it to raise it to about an inch total then the lids of the quarts would maybe touch the lid of the PC, they just barely fit as it is. I know that is bad, plus its an old Mirro PC and the 5-15 PSI rocker won't start rocking till it hisses for 30 minutes and also hisses when not rocking.

I put 3 inches of water in it and it only had the half inch below the stand when I was done with the between 90 and 120 minutes. It was hard to judge since I knew it was hot enough to be rocking because I did the water on the lid test.

Does the rocker maybe need cleaned or the pressure valve need replaced? Didn't you show a link somewhere to PC parts?

Am I so paranoid of heating it up too fast and hot that I turn it down before it gets to pressure?

If anyone has an idea what it is or what I am doing wrong please enlighten me. I thought that you got the PC to temp fast to get it rocking, turn down the temp, and then let it slowly shake to keep the pressure correct. I have only used the small PCs before though with the single pressure weight. Is there something different about the hockey puck shaped weights that makes them not rock all the time when they reach temp, because mine would only rock every once in a while after I turned it down to medium.

The inside of the rocker dent on the 15PSI side looks kinda dirty I guess I will try to find something to clean that out, other than that can you condition the seals on the pressure release valves or something I am missing on the temp, or whatever?


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    #14116629 - 03/13/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

your spore solution will be fine in the jars, you want it to run down the side, that way the bottom colonizes too. Besides, you're going to be shaking @ 15-40% so it doesn't matter that much. I put 1/2 cc in a jar & had the top colonize then shook & the whole thing turned out OK. Actually, I've G2G'd that twice now.

As for your PC, you're fine. You want to start the burner w/ water in the PC & get the water to a boil. Load your jars, you could've done this before the water was @ full boil also, then close the lid leaving the weight off. Once you see quick evaporatin (1-2) from the top of the lid, also watch the pressure gauge as it will go up, put the toggle weight on. I wait till mine hits 1 PSI on the pressure gauge then cap it. Next, leave it till the weight starts to jiggle feverishly. Start your timer @ first jiggle. Let it jiggle for 1 minute then reduce temp. till you hear a steady "hiss" & a jiggle every 5-10 minutes.

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    #14120403 - 03/14/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think I see very small dots of myc on a few grains, just kinda glanced, is that good for four days or pretty much normal time to see first signs of growth?


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    #14120435 - 03/14/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Once you see quick evaporatin (1-2) from the top of the lid,  Next, leave it till the weight starts to jiggle feverishly. Start your timer @ first jiggle. Let it jiggle for 1 minute then reduce temp. till you hear a steady "hiss" & a jiggle every 5-10 minutes.





It is better for the grains to heat slowly so they don't burst isn't it?

The one to two from the top of the lid you are talking about the steam not the water level right?


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    #14121719 - 03/14/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, the grains should still be slightly warm from your final simmer then strain. So, yes, you don't want cold grains. However, by letting the water boil + bringing the PC's internal air/steam to temp you're allowing for everything inside the PC to be hot before sealing.

1 drop of water evaporating in 1-2 seconds. Sorry about that. I'm trying to keep up w/ ya enigma. It's difficult @ times :wink:

Basically, you want 1 drop of water to show immediate signs of evaporation upon contact w/ the surface of the top most part of the PC. The top most part, because It'll be the last to hit temp. I keep an eye on the water droplets coming outta my toggle weight valve & do the water drop test.

The reason for this is that you're not cooking your grains & you're guaranteeing that the internal temp of the grain jars is @ 15 PSI or 250 F for 45 minutes. We PC for 90-120 minutes (depending on how much is in the PC) to ensure that the inside of the jars hits temp for an extended amount of time.

Always remember that we're not completely sterilizing our grains. We're attempting to make our grains perfect for myc to grab ahold before any contams. (Completely sterilized grains would be mush, btw.)


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    #14121753 - 03/14/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mine looked good I guess, don't really know yet. Should know by the weekend, I am gonna GTLC one of the jars if none contam. I have 4CCs left of it and I want to make sure I keep.
Did the water test but it wasn't agitating so I just turned it down. Then figured out that the release valve under the handle was stuck, so I stood back and hit it with my hand, haha, it stopped spewing steam.


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    #14129235 - 03/16/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think I am going to try this method of pasturization http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11540675#11540675
but substitute a quart of this http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=DHYM01 in place of the coffee grounds and add 5-10% gypsum. Any bad thoughts about that??


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    #14129941 - 03/16/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Visible growth on all jars today:awethumb:


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    #14140811 - 03/18/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Time to shake?









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    #14140818 - 03/18/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

looking good.


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    #14140870 - 03/18/11 12:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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looking good.



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    #14140883 - 03/18/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

getting close to about when i would shake, maybe give another day or so then shake 'em up


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    #14140902 - 03/18/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah it looks the same in all 3 inoc spots pretty much.


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    #14140906 - 03/18/11 12:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When did you noc those?  The 10th?


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    #14140923 - 03/18/11 12:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'd say definitely another day or two before shaking. You want enough mycelium in there to get distributed pretty much evenly throughout the jar once you shake it up so when it recovers it has the most points to spread to as possible...


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    #14140931 - 03/18/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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When did you noc those?  The 10th?



The 13th around 2 AM
*Correction 11th around 2 AM*
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    #14141283 - 03/18/11 02:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Just noced 4 pints of rye with EQ, and one quart with chitwan.
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    #14142405 - 03/18/11 10:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thought one cake started growing new myc all over it, looked just like myc, today it turned green and I sprayed it with lysol and chucked it. It bubbled like no tomorrow everywhere the green was, yaaaaay my first trich. *Pats self on back.*


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    #14143433 - 03/18/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shakey shakey?



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    #14143462 - 03/18/11 02:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yep


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    #14143479 - 03/18/11 02:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:awethumb: looking good.  Just 1 question though,

Why 3 inoculation points? I use 1 & rotate the needle inside the jar in a circular motion. That way it colonizes more evenly throughout the jar rather than a few stripes through it. :2cents:

bio, I just looked closely @ that one. It's the 3rd from the left in the first picture. It's got a weird glass flaw to it, the jar somewhat goes in right there. I've had 1 jar look like that before (the glass not the grain.) That's def. just a weird reflection due to the concave glass. It made me worried as hell to bang my jar though. Thought I was going to break the bitch in my hand...it didn't break, but I've since put it in a different place so I don't use it for my grains again...


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    #14147997 - 03/19/11 11:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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:awethumb: looking good.  Just 1 question though,

Why 3 inoculation points? I use 1 & rotate the needle inside the jar in a circular motion. That way it colonizes more evenly throughout the jar rather than a few stripes through it. :2cents:





This is only my second time, and my first bulk, I was just following someone else's method. If I had known they way that you did it at the time I definitely would have done it that way. Believe me I will next time, because you have been one of the most helpful and informative people on here and you have helped me soo much. If there was a way to suggest a TC tag or vote or help you get one, I would do it because you are much more thorough and helpful than half the TCs I have seen, except RR of course. Gotta love the MAN. Thanks for all your help TL, it is truly appreciated.

P.S. I think I might have shook my quarts too soon (they were maybe 20% at most) and my pint grain jars I am going to turn into LCs might pass them up, so I might just use the LC I get from them to noc up some more and do my experiment below side by side in two monos to compare. Guess I will see as time goes on. And sorry for the long posts its part of my ocd also, I try to cover every aspect of the questions I have so I can get a more informative answer.



I have an idea for my bulk sub, since coir is pretty low in ph I was thinking of taking some half strength coffee (50% coffee fresh brewed, 50% water) adding it to a quart of half verm, half 10x dehydrated Hpoo pellets from myco supply until it is field capacity and then adding that, fully pasteurized the way Hpoo is supposed to be to my already cooling Damion's 5050 coir and mixing it in for added nitrogen ph and nutes for my bulk casing.

Here is the Hpoo I got, http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=DHYM01 ; it's only a quart (one pound dry, dehydrated). Read the end of the first paragraph on that link it says it can be added as a nutrient additive because of its concentrated state.

I know I linked it before and asked in AMU, 13shroom had the good suggestion to do the D's 5050 pasteurize separately since Hpoo need full pasteurization. The Hpoo I would add the diluted coffee to it until it was hydrated, add the pint of verm, and then add 1/2 strength coffee while mixing it until it is field capacity and then pasteurize it.

I am going to do the D's 5050 to a T this first time but in a few weeks hopefully I will have some ez grain LCs to noc up 6 more quarts of rye and I was wondering if the 10x myco supply Hpoo and verm with half strength coffee as a hydration substitute for water would be a good idea, weather anyone has ever used the 10x dehydrated Hpoo from myco, if and when I should test the ph with adding such a small amount of poo and coffee, and just any feedback on my obvious rebellion against the norm and my continuous mental need for experimentation.

If it all goes bad and I get a contam of bad results the only thing bad about it would be that I have to go buy more grains and start over, and that I would learn from my mistakes.

If I mix a pint of the dehydrated Hpoo pellets with a pint of verm, bring to field capacity and test the PH and it is below 7 since the damions 5050 is so much more in weight and relatively low PH then I should have no problems with too high of a PH correct or no?

Keep in mind, I am OCD and I can't help trying to improvise, I am constantly looking for a better way to invent the wheel, if you know what I mean, I can not help it.

Please respond without telling me to just follow the tek, because that is what I am going to do the first mono, I just want to experiment with different additives and I need feedback from people that have experimented with bulk subs and their content.

Sorry for the long posts with a ton of question, I try to separate and make paragraphs as best I can to not confuse and make it easier to read. As always any feedback besides follow the tek, ( I am, and if it gets amazing results I will still experiment) is much appreciated, tell me anything from negative to positive to STFU, it doesn't matter to me as long as I learn something from it weather it be negative or positive.


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    #14148121 - 03/19/11 11:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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This is only my second time, and my first bulk, I was just following someone else's method. If I had known they way that you did it at the time I definitely would have done it that way. Believe me I will next time, because you have been one of the most helpful and informative people on here and you have helped me soo much. If there was a way to suggest a TC tag or vote or help you get one, I would do it because you are much more thorough and helpful than half the TCs I have seen, except RR of course. Gotta love the MAN. Thanks for all your help TL, it is truly appreciated.




I think to become a TC you have to be noticed by the mods & other TCs...but IDK. I try to make fluent, fully explained posts while being curtious to other members, but I know I come of brash @ times. It's just how I was trained/taught to write (being a Literature major w/ a minor in Psychology). You could :pm: RR suggesting it, but I don't know how much good that'd do....:justdontknow:

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P.S. I think I might have shook my quarts too soon (they were maybe 20% at most) and my pint grain jars I am going to turn into LCs might pass them up, so I might just use the LC I get from them to noc up some more and do my experiment below side by side in two monos to compare.




I'm sure you'll be fine, as long as you fully distributed the colonized grains throughout the jar. We shake vigorously @ that stage so the myc makes a contact point w/ the majority of grains & glass in the jar, because that myc will colonize every point it touches.

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Sorry for the long posts with a ton of question, I try to separate and make paragraphs as best I can to not confuse and make it easier to read. As always any feedback besides follow the tek, ( I am, and if it gets amazing results I will still experiment) is much appreciated, tell me anything from negative to positive to STFU, it doesn't matter to me as long as I learn something from it weather it be negative or positive.




:bigyesnod: That's a great philosophy to have in mycology. We learn more from our failures/mistakes than from success. I'd make a grow log of the ideas you have & implement them, showing all your techniques/procedures. That way you'll have everything you need for a sweet tek & a nice grow log.

GL buddy. You're doing great :awethumb:

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Thanks for the kind words Enigma.
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Sorry for the long posts with a ton of question, I try to separate and make paragraphs as best I can to not confuse and make it easier to read. As always any feedback besides follow the tek, ( I am, and if it gets amazing results I will still experiment) is much appreciated, tell me anything from negative to positive to STFU, it doesn't matter to me as long as I learn something from it weather it be negative or positive.




:bigyesnod: That's a great philosophy to have in mycology. We learn more from our failures/mistakes than from success. I'd make a grow log of the ideas you have & implement them, showing all your techniques/procedures. That way you'll have everything you need for a sweet tek & a nice grow log.

GL buddy. You're doing great :awethumb:

I'm going to have my lid teks up this weekend, so watch for those. They'll be in my signature.



Thats perfect timing on your lid tek because I just got my SFDs today.

As for the grow log, I will have to wait a while until I have done the tried and true methods, I have decided to take everyones advice and follow the tek to a T this first bulk. After that I will definitely experiment in the sub content and additives.

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    #14152253 - 03/20/11 03:38 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well here it goes
Make a pot of coffee, add 4 cups of coffee to 6 cups of water.

Add 1 brick coir, 10 cups coffee/water (2 1/2 quarts) in a large pot pasteurized between 160-170F for 30-45 minutes, pour into bucket and place on the lid. (have never done bulk or coir so I may have to adjust the amount of liquid to get it near field capacity, if it looks dry I will add coffee/water 40/60 mix until it looks just above field capacity for the 30 minute simmer)D's 5050 calls for 16 cups of water for 2 quarts verm and 1 brick coir so I just estimated how much liquid I would need for the coir.

Measure 1 quart of dehydrated Hpoo from myco supply and add a pint of water and allow to soak, stir and add small amounts of water until it forms a thick paste.
Add 2 quarts of dry verm and one cup gypsum already mixed, mix with paste, add water in small amounts and stir until it reaches field capacity testing it each time before adding more water(most 1brick coir sub teks call for 1 gallon of water*16cups*, I figured that the 1 quart Hpoo and 2 quarts verm would take around 8 cups making the total a gallon and a pint)*I will adjust as needed for both coir and verm/poo*.
Fill four quart jars with the mixture and cover with foil. Place in large pot on top of extra lids and foil layer with water 2/3 of the way up the jars. Weight the jars down with the bottom spacer for the PC with a rock on top and place a thermometer in the middle of one of the jars through a hole in the PC bottom. Turn heat on high until the temp reaches 140 and turn the heat to the lowest setting, my research says that the temp should continue to rise to 170 and stay there for an hour, if temp starts to get near 160F adjust the stove to keep it between 160-170F for at least an hour before removing from stove and uncovering, I will probably go closer to 90 minutes.

Wait for jars to cool enough to handle, open bucket, add four quarts of Hpoo/verm and mix very very well to distribute the Hpoo mixture to all of the coir surface. Leave to cool overnight.

Stir and check for field capacity the next day, layer, and mix with 5 quarts of rye spawn 1:2 ratio. Plan on filling a mono with 1:2 ration spawn sub until it reaches bottom holes because my mono is kinda small and then using the remainder of my 6 quarts spawn and the rest of my sub to make some trays, or going quickly to the store to purchase another tub for another mono.

Not casing, this will be my first attempt at bulk so I have no idea if using 40/60 coffee water is a good idea, nor do I know if adding the Hpoo to the coir will have any extra benefit.

If I am brave enough to do it when the day comes then I will do a step by step pictorial in case it works like Hpoo straw on steroids. I will also be purchasing some PH test strips to test the PH of different strength coffee mixtures in the next few days and seriously thinking about all the steps trying to decide weather I want to take a chance or not.And weather I will just prepare Damion's simple coir tek and make the Hpoo coir gypsum coffee mix and make one tub of each in case my idea is a total fail.

If it is I will wish I had just followed the tec but at least I wont have totally pussied out on the experiment and I will have learned something I shouldn't try next time and just maybe change one thing from it like not add coffee/water, and try again. I have 5 more pounds of rye and some more syringes to play with, plus 4 pints of rye I plan on using to noc more grains and make clean LCs so I won't be bored for a while anyway.


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    #14152320 - 03/20/11 04:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nevermind, scratch that liquid coffee idea...

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    #14152340 - 03/20/11 04:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe I will add a teaspoon of blood meal and a cup of gypsum to a gallon of water and mix and test the ph every day till spawn day. Maybe the gypsum would keep the blood meal from shooting nitrogen levels too high in the sub.
Or maybe just some worm castings if they aren't expensive. I already have blood meal though and since I am not using 100% manure and adding gypsum I think that small amount of blood meal might be okay with a mostly coir sub.

I have read more bad reports on coffee, spent coffee, and dry spent grounds than I have read good about so I want something besides java to add me some nitrogen.


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    #14152343 - 03/20/11 04:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Nevermind, scratch that liquid coffee idea...

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  Don't use liquid coffee in anything that doesn't get sterilized.  Liquid coffee will contaminate easily if it's not kept totally sterile until fully colonized.  Spent coffee grounds are OK in a bulk substrate, but not liquid coffee.
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    #14152490 - 03/20/11 06:21 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Wonder if a person could add INSTANT coffee into the mix?  Same nutrients in it...

Anyhow I just read through this thread avidly.  Good read.  Enigma, good luck with your first bulk.  I can't wait till I get to that point myself!  :thumbup:


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    #14174901 - 03/24/11 09:55 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My jars all looked to be around 80% yesterday, one had a big spot with no growth so I shook it again just to see if it recovers before the others reach 100% and passes them up. I probably won't need that one anyway because both of my monos are only 15 gallon tubs. I will probably end up making some trays and fruiting them in the SGFC with what I have left over. I am going straight Damion5050's coir tek with a cup of gypsum added, on one tub will be just the coir/verm/gypsum and the other I am adding some pasteurized Hpoo to compare.

Can't post any new pics because I have any money or batteries for the camera until next week. The jars are looking good and white though, it will be two weeks since inoc tomorrow, so its going a bit slow probably because I shook too soon. I would say they will be 100% in 4 to 7 more days, maybe 3?

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    #14187969 - 03/26/11 05:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All of the jars I shook yesterday look like they are almost fully recovered, they look better than the one I didn't shake twice. I will post some pics later on this and the other thread that is only grow logs and time lines, my girl took off to a B-day party with the camera. I am preparing my monos for spawning in the next few days. I will be doing one with Hpoo and one without, wish me luck.


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    #14187992 - 03/26/11 05:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The holes I was speaking of were the side and top holes, I was wondering if condensation droplets running down the sides would be affected by filling the holes taped on the outside. I have decided to tape the inside since then though so that the condensation drops will run down the smooth surface better.


I was planning on using a black liner made from a clean piece of a giant trash bag a foot bigger both Legth and width than the bottoms of the tubs.

Measurements on the tubs:"since I only have one bag"(giant leaf bag that is big enough for all my tubs), measure the piece of bag to the measurements of the bottom of the tub and add a foot, length and width. This will give you enough plastic to set the tub in the middle of the plastic and have 6 extra inches on each of the four sides(cut at corners in my special technique, from the corner of the rectangle piece of bag to where the corner of the tub is sitting, and then fold 45 degree angle, making two right triangles, one in one out, and the two straight sides line up making the top and side straight and level with each other.


Here is a rough illustration of my cutting technique, I will really just put the tub in the middle and cut from tub corner to the corner of the plastic on all four sides. The reason I am doing this is to make a much straighter edge at the top of the liner to tape to the inside of the SG keeping my condensation from running behind the plastic.





Duct tape the outside that wont be touching the sub in each corner by folding where the cut is until the outside edges meet, making a corner like the corner of a box, repeating for all four corners making a tray shape. Place it in the FC and pull the inside triangular flap back till you can see the tape on the outside and cut the flap off. And then tape the inside(to make a good seal take a pencil or *similar*, tear a strip of duct tape, wrap one end very loosely around the pencil with the non sticky side on the pencil in the middle towards the end of the tape, press the pencil into the corner and then smoothing the tape with as little bubbles as possible, the pencil allows you to get the tape to the inside corner, without it, it would be very difficult to tape the corner). This would make a kind of a garbage bag liner tray.

Then taping the "tray" to the FC, at the top all the way around to the inside of the SG would let the condensation run down the sides into my sub instead of down and under the plastic*. After all four corners are waterproofed and it is in place taped to the inside of the tub, I will clean the whole thing out by spraying it with lysol first, then vinegar, and then peroxide a few times and wiping it down with paper towels after each spraying.


Should I fill the holes with polyfil during fruiting? I was gonna tape all holes during consolidation, but during fruiting go buy a box of 200 cigarette filters for 1$ or 2 and use the filters on the holes that I take the tape off of? The reason I say cigarette filters is because they would fit perfectly(they are just slightly bigger than 1/4" holes), insert easily, they are super cheap and easy to handle, insert easily with a slightly tight fit, and if I buy the 100s length filters I could use each one for 2 or three holes and they would look much better that polyfil. Polyfil would also involve me opening the lid over and over to pull the polyfil in, "lots of holes", when I put in fruiting conditions. Or should I just leave the holes open?


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    #14189114 - 03/26/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is what I have today:
Shaken twice jars:
Sorry for the topside pics, it is hard to hold a camera steady when your hands are over your head, i needed a chair.
This one has only been shaken once when it was about 15-20% (estimate by a noob):

This is the FC I made out of a  9 inch tall, foot long tub. I call it a MMH (Mini Mono House). I have a few improvements for it but they would be a little more than twice as expensive than a 3$ tub, a 1$ painters tarp, and a coat hanger piece that I have no idea what I paid for.:

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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14189180 - 03/26/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

MMM is already taken by Morelmans "MMM - Morelman's Modified Monotub"

And it would be MMH if it's Mini Mono House lol but looks good but I wanna see how it fruits. The only problem I see with it is that you can't stack them like you can with normal monotubs.


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    #14189208 - 03/26/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MMM is already taken by Morelmans "MMM - Morelman's Modified Monotub"

And it would be MMH if it's Mini Mono House lol but looks good but I wanna see how it fruits. The only problem I see with it is that you can't stack them like you can with normal monotubs.




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    #14189262 - 03/26/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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MMM is already taken by Morelmans "MMM - Morelman's Modified Monotub"

And it would be MMH if it's Mini Mono House lol but looks good but I wanna see how it fruits. The only problem I see with it is that you can't stack them like you can with normal monotubs.




Yeah I don't know what I was thinking, I am half there.




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    #14192267 - 03/27/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Cool tubs Enig  :super: Its coming along nicely


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    #14192840 - 03/27/11 03:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I know little about grain but should I let them go a few more days or should I go ahead and spawn them tomorrow?



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    #14192894 - 03/27/11 03:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

id spawn it xD


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    #14193137 - 03/27/11 04:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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    #14193313 - 03/27/11 04:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Can I leave the coir in the bucket 48 hours and still use it?


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    #14193972 - 03/27/11 07:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would say spawn it asap but I don't see why you would have a problem if you waited as long as it is pasteurized right and the lid is left on so no contaminants get in there...Again though I would say spawn ASAP.


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    #14194698 - 03/27/11 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

OK, now.... I am leaning towards a full pasteurization tomorrow, well even tonight for that matter.

Get the sub mix coir/verm (80/20)pasteurized and put it in my new bucket after I clean it.
Pasteurize 1 quart verm/poo/gypsum (50/50/(10)" make a paste with my dehydrated Hpoo and use a pint of it mixed with a pint of hydrated fine verm" for 90 minutes
Mix the Hpoo butter with the left over coir from the first tub, check for Field Capacity and then spawn the rest of the 6 quarts
I guess I will find out, when, when I see how much a brick of coir makes?
I just wanna use this poo before it has no N content, its dark and dry and I think it should be used asap, maybe I save it for my other 5 pounds of rye.


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    #14194726 - 03/27/11 09:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

stick with just coir/verm for this batch...


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    #14194827 - 03/27/11 09:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

My one tub that I am using first, I think I cut the holes a little too short, like 3 1/2 inches from bottom.

My other is small so I am sure I can fill them both up...

Does the sub really need to be 4" thick if you are most likely only getting 2 flushes anyway depending on the vivacity of the myc?

I want pooo in it cause I got it and it said it last weeks so I gotta use it soon..

My GLC jars are about 10-15%, how long does it take a GLC to colonize a Rye jar?


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    #14194841 - 03/27/11 09:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

LC can colonize in 7-14 days on average...

they dont have to be 4 inches, i've grown with 2 inches, but the mushrooms aren't as big as they would be with a 4 inch sub depth.


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    #14194880 - 03/27/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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LC can colonize in 7-14 days on average...

they dont have to be 4 inches, i've grown with 2 inches, but the mushrooms aren't as big as they would be with a 4 inch sub depth.





Thanks for the quick response, I am about to go clean up, wash some dishes, and make a bucket.
I guess I will just save the poo for next time, might make a pot or two of coffee and throw the spent in it now tho


I just don't understand why we recommend a low N sub, I know how to boil and turn heat off and put on dust masks and gloves after I oust and such. What is the big deal with coir/verm nothingness? I would think we would be recommending a pompous grass hay and elephant dung sub and pasteurizing properly.

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    #14194895 - 03/27/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dont add coffee, or manure, unless you're going to properly pasteurize on the stove at 140-160 for an hour..


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Well if you wanna do poo then maybe try this tek HERE:


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    #14194907 - 03/27/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I got this bag of dehydrated Hpoo from myc supply and I want to use it, it's supposed to be 10x the nutrients of reg Hpoo, but its only good for a few weeks, I am going to add it to this batch or next depending on how my LC jars look tomorrow


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    #14194947 - 03/27/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I got this Hpoo http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=DHYM01

I am going to use coir and verm vith a quart of Hpoo paste and add a Tbsp. of canola to add carbs and a half cup of gypsum to my last brick when my GLC gets done.

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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14194959 - 03/27/11 09:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:shrug: do what you want, but like i said, unless you properly pasteurize you're going to contaminate :/


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    #14194971 - 03/27/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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It's not too hard to properly pasteurize poo. I gave you the link to the way that I'm gonna be doing my poo so I would suggest following that or some other method to pasteurize...


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    #14195009 - 03/27/11 10:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

As long as the temp is rising when you are pasteurizing you can turn the heat off when it reaches 140-150-F and it will reach 170F from what I have heard so I could just heat the water up slow while steaming my jar of poo paste and let it get to 140 in the middle, turn it down to the lowest stove setting and see if it rises above 170F in the middle of jar, if it doesn't the the jar is good to coat some coir/verm with since cubes are tropical and mostly grow on straw/poo. I know how to pasteurize, I would say 90 minutes with poo and let it cool covered on stove after it reaches 160F and stays for 90 minutes.
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    #14195059 - 03/27/11 10:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

dude, hydrate the manure, hydrate the coir with cool water, add your verm, then mix all together and pasteurize properly in a bag on the stove...instead of trying to do seperate


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    #14195087 - 03/27/11 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:whathesaid: if you try doing it all separate you will have to make sure each one is at field capacity where if you do it together all you have to do is check for proper moisture content once and you're fine.


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    #14195124 - 03/27/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

what if I peed on the coir for the extra N, and then pooped in a bucket before adding all the other ingredients into one of these peeing/ pooping in it 12/12, 12 on 12 off. Then I could go to japan for my radioactive waste apples and make a huge batch of mutant blobs that would make you cringe.
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No you check for field cap when you mix with sub, mix all freshly pasteurized sub ingredients and then add dry verm or distilled water to adjust before you mix with spawn...


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I don't even know how to reply to that one lol...


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    #14195647 - 03/28/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just got my coir to 170F and turned it off covered in PC with lid, Gonna check for field Cap tomorrow and pasteurize some poo because this brick of coir made more than I thought it would.
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    #14202772 - 03/29/11 09:11 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Decided to just use coir/verm 80/20. Hope I din't screw it up, I should have waited till I was sober.


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    #14229039 - 04/02/11 11:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Lookin good so far, these pics are yesterday or day before at 4-5 days



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    #14229069 - 04/02/11 11:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

1/2 brick, 2 qt verm, 3.5-4qt water?


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    #14229079 - 04/02/11 11:44 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

gallon of water = whole brick of coir

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    #14229134 - 04/02/11 11:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

6 quarts rye spawn(EQms)/whole brick coir(filled 7qt PC)/2 quarts verm/5 quarts water

It was barely field cap when I spawned it, I could barely squeeze a short small stream from different samples, fealt good and airy. Just wish I remembered to add the gypsum and oil.

Last quart of spawn was mixed in to top for frosting layer before someone told me that frosting layers are outdated. 2 different totes in pics |^| first row is the bottom tote, about 4" sub, bottom row is all pics of the the top tub with the drip roof on it, it was all I had don't laugh.


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    #14229161 - 04/02/11 11:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I could get better pics but I am waiting till day 10 at least to open the top holes and put in poly.


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the monotub bag colonization thread

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    #14230189 - 04/03/11 08:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

PCing rye for the transfer


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    #14238644 - 04/04/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Inoced 7 rye jars with the GLC I made day before yesterday, no signs of growth yet. It is day 7 since I spawned my two tubs, they are coming along fine it looks like to me. I will take pics of the sub on day 10 and hopefully pics of my colonizing grain jars.

Can I use a GLC to noc BRF jars? If so since it is supposed to colonize much quicker, I was thinking about doing some more pint cakes and hope they do better than the last ones. I will also get 12 WM half pint jars, but I have allot of GLC I need to use, almost a full quart. So if GLC wont do for BRF cakes I need to find something to do with them.


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yes GlC will colonize pf style cakes


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    #14250682 - 04/06/11 11:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

6 days and no growth on rye noced with GLC...


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    #14250699 - 04/06/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

What did I do wrong? GLC not thick enough?


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    #14250705 - 04/06/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I had some B+ recently that took about that long before taking off, but when it did... wow. so fast. give it a few more days


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    #14250713 - 04/06/11 11:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it can take longer, just like with spores...ist stil muti genetic's so some will colonize slower then others.. if you had mycelium in there then it'll grow out.


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    #14257152 - 04/08/11 04:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

See a bit of growth in all jars of rye, mono is looking ok I guess, these are my first two.

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    #14261561 - 04/09/11 01:17 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

All I know is that with my regular honey LC, my WBS jars colonize within 6 days after the first shake!!! I leave them for an extra couple weeks of course, but they colonize 100% within a week after my LC is used :-)


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    #14283517 - 04/13/11 11:58 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

B4 putting the poly in the top


Day before yesterday




Yesterday


Today



The mono built to spec that was made with the same mix as the hybrid






Two BRF jars shaken after GLC noc, 5 unshaken, 3 ELME LCs made from GLC, MONSTER CAKE!




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Lookin' good buddy.

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    #14283594 - 04/13/11 12:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, I hated that layer of dry verm anyway, I always felt like I was washing off potential pins when I rinsed after birthing.

The tub with the roof I designed has like 35 pins that I can count so far and the mono built to spec hs 2 or 3 pins, introduced to fruiting at same time, same mix, ratio, same everything except lid.


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    #14288476 - 04/14/11 04:56 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome.  :smile: looking forward to seeing flush pics from this!  Kudos Enigma!


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Today's Pics, I will be having fun soon!:raveface:


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    #14297213 - 04/15/11 06:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

New pics today,:awesomenod::thumbup::mushroomgrow:



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Top,

Can you guess which mono this one is?

No fanning, no misting. Set & forget. Standard mono


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Nice Tod! I have 1 66qt msg that i'm going to be spawning to along with a large 55 GAL tub that I'm gonna spawn 1 brink coir, 3 qts verm, and 8 qts grain. and watch that bitch take off!

Then I'm gonna fill up my 2 sgfc, and convert another 4 tubs to monos and get them going as well! I also am building a new large GH which will have 2 cool mists and an ultra sonic running! Can't wait!


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Re: Progress [Re: fbi365]
    #14324319 - 04/20/11 06:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry been very busy with kids and stuff, ended up with over an ounce dry with 5 quarts of spawn and a brick of coir in two mini monos, I threw the first one out because I needed the tote for more spawn. The second tub still has a few pins on it, waiting for second flush.

Pretty soon I will have every dish in the house full lol. I filled a cake pan with coir/verm and spawned crumbled PF cakes to the coir pretty thick and covered it with foil and poked a few holes.

The casserole dish is getting close to full colonization, haven't really messed with it. What I am most proud of is the Tupperware, 6" x 5" x 5", it is almost fully colonized, it will look so cool in the SGFC. I don't know how I am going to do the big dish yet, I was thinking about hanging it above the sub somehow or standing it up on it's side, just don't know how. I don't have the money for a shelf or I would just get one. I was thinking a criss cross pattern with some fishing line or dental floss with wax paper protecting the sub from the string, with the floss taped to opposite corners on both top and tied to the bottom going to the top of sub with an O screw or a few small holes in bottom corner of tub.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14328303 - 04/21/11 03:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well I ended up with over an ounce cracker dry from the first flush on the brick of coir in two tubs. I took one and picked everything and threw it away because I had 6 more quarts of ready rye spawn and I only had one empty tub. I like the mini monos, I am experimenting with a hybrid with 10 11/2 inch holes near the sub and only one hole at the top for the light jar. If I get some good results with it I will make a grow log and post a link to it here.

I think that my other mono is about done, it has 15 or so pins left on it, I will give them a few days to mature then harvest and then throw the sub in a bag to wait to be buried in my local compost pile and check on the spot later.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14328344 - 04/21/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

a qty of 10 1-1/2" holes @ sub level is going to dry out your substrate pretty quickly. Also, you're not going to have a lot of air movement in the tubs going upwards due to not having holes raised on the ends. That's the point of the two holes on the ends. Personally, I use 2 1-1/8" holes on the sides @ sub level & 1 1-1/8" hole on the ends just under the handles.

I just don't see that "hybrid" design working well. Seems like too much FAE & not enough upwards airflow. Remember that hot and humid air rises while cool air settles. You want to have a constant light flow of air across the top of the substrate & out the top to regulate humidity & temp. FE is regulated by the poly in the holes.

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only 1 oz? wait, did you use 1 brick of coir to two tubs? How deep was your substrate? Were they standard mono size or 1/2 size monos?


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    #14328807 - 04/21/11 05:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I used one brick and 21/2 quarts of spawn per mini tub.

I plan on using this 12/12 on the lowest setting
and making the poly slightly tighter than almost falling out to compensate for the extra holes. If it doesn't work I will take your advice TL and I will start by drilling small holes stuffed with unused cigarette filters and move up in size to see which works best.:super:

The fan barely pulls any air at all on the lowest voltage and I will just mist it when light goes out and then replace the light with the fan sealed around the big top hole to slowly pull air through all the bottom holes, keep an eye on humidity at sub level and decide from there how long I will fan it at night. I think it will work okay as long as I don't get the poly too lose, if it is tight enough it will still get 12 hours of constant FAE in the dark and it won't dry out the sub too bad. I may even make a full size mono with two of those lights in the lid so that when I am fanning during the day the sub will still be getting some light. Just experiments to see what I like, I already know that I like the fan because when I misted my other tub I could put it on one hole for five minutes and dry all the pins out, sometimes I would forget it and leave it on for hours and the RH would only drop to 80%, and on that one the poly was really really lose on the bottom.:shrug::brilliant::billnye::homerdrool::super:

I have the same lid design going on it after it colonizes as I used for my first mono.

The sub is 4" thick with 10 pounds of zoo poo sub mix/verm(was a little on the wet side) 31/2 quarts of chitwan colonized rye. What ratio is that anyone know, or know the formula, nm I google it? It looked really thick with grain. Well if a quart is about a pound then it would be 3:1 ratio??? I don't know I am burnt.


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    #14329478 - 04/21/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hell man worky or no worky, it's great to see all the different setups that actually do work and you'll never know until you try. I just love watching the forum and all the intuition around here!


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    #14329726 - 04/21/11 08:05 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

zoo poo/ verm mix day three


coir/verm tub day four


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14346015 - 04/24/11 10:02 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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ended up with over an ounce dry with 5 quarts of spawn and a brick of coir in two mini monos




I'm not trying to be a dick, but that is not a very good yield...


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Re: Progress [Re: Mad River]
    #14346195 - 04/24/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yea thats not that great of a yield at all, 2 quarts spawned to a half brick of coir in 1 mini mono yielded 3 ounces dry last time I did one.

Got the big guys goin now tho, still spawning everyday. Got 6 more tubs to finish up. Spawns rdy basically every other day, got a good cycle going.



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zoo poo/ verm mix day three


coir/verm tub day four





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Re: Progress [Re: Mr. Anderson]
    #14350658 - 04/25/11 06:18 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

64 quart, I scrapped after the first flush because I didn't have any money for more tubs and I had more spawn ready.


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    #14350776 - 04/25/11 06:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Spawn can wait.


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Re: Progress [Re: Mad River]
    #14350992 - 04/25/11 07:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It was just coir verm and I had some zoo poo and Hpoo I wanted to try, bout to spawn to the Hpoo/coir/verm mix as soon as it cools off, might use 4 quarts of spawn instead of making another GLC, depends on what it looks like. I usually use 3 quarts of rye for a half brick of coir so since I added 2 quarts rehydrated Hpoo I don't think the extra quart of spawn would hurt would it?


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    #14351473 - 04/25/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just let my tubs colonize til they start pinning/primordia.

The coir should be just fine. I use half n half coir/hpoo 1 cup chicken shit with 2-3 quarts verm and 1 cup gypsum for the 66 quart sterlites


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    #14351618 - 04/25/11 08:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I never realized what a nice little grow you got goin on. Kudos.

That's not an atypical first flush for it being unsupplemented coir with a relatively low spawn ratio and multispore. You'll make up for it in later flushes for sure. When I've seen the really impressive first flushes on coir, it's been the higher spawn ratios and of course clones.


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    #14351922 - 04/25/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I never realized what a nice little grow you got goin on. Kudos.

That's not an atypical first flush for it being unsupplemented coir with a relatively low spawn ratio and multispore. You'll make up for it in later flushes for sure. When I've seen the really impressive first flushes on coir, it's been the higher spawn ratios and of course clones.




I have a long way to go before I start isolating and cloning, I am working on finding my favorite sub mix and additives right now.



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    #14351932 - 04/25/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I have a long way to go before I start isolating and cloning, I am working on finding my favorite sub mix and additives right now.





No, that's backwards. Get an adequate mix going, then you can use clones and isolates to do controlled grows and really compare recipes.


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    #14352088 - 04/25/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I never realized what a nice little grow you got goin on. Kudos.

That's not an atypical first flush for it being unsupplemented coir with a relatively low spawn ratio and multispore. You'll make up for it in later flushes for sure. When I've seen the really impressive first flushes on coir, it's been the higher spawn ratios and of course clones.




:whathesaid: other than the "clone" comment. Check my signature. That's MS @ 1:1 using Damion5050's coir tek to the T...9 oz crackered

I've found the higher spawn ratios = 1 & done tubs...not isos or clones...You clone & iso for particular traits of your mushrooms. I'm not saying you can't iso/clone for 1 & done, but most don't. You iso for quality (strength/potency), colonization time & pinset (canopy). Now, pinset/canopy can equal 1 & done, but you can iso for a fruit that'll produce 5 oz for 2-3 flushes & have a fantastic canopy from large fruits. IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THE GROWER WANTS. Personally, I like one & done. :twocents:

Also, enigma, I really think that your low yields are due to low ratios. You don't need to remake a GLC everytime. I have a GLC that's been around for 2 months+  in room temp that's still viable. Just prep an LC & inoculate the LC w/ 1 cc of the GLC & you've got a good thing going for a few months especially if you refrigerate.

Dude, start iso/cloning right now. Why not? Just grab a quick growin' pin off your MS mono & hope it's active. You'll know once you spawn to bulk or make a BRF cake outta it & test it.

About the bunny, you can set the jar on its side to entice some space between the glass & grain, which is probably why you're having problems colonizing that spot. Just make sure the non-colonized spot is facing the ceiling/sky...

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    #14352237 - 04/25/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

agree, horrible first flushes usually always shock the shit out of me with their second flushes being very very nice..the only way i'm ditching a tub after 1st flush is if I get a absolute monster first flush then i know most of the food source was consumed for that first flush..


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    #14352272 - 04/25/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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agree, horrible first flushes usually always shock the shit out of me with their second flushes being very very nice..the only way i'm ditching a tub after 1st flush is if I get a absolute monster first flush then i know most of the food source was consumed for that first flush..


even then I normally still wait and see how 2nd flush does.




Anything equal to or better than 5 oz I toss after first flush, but I will wait if I feel the substrate still has some nice moisture weight to encourage the first flush further. I'll mist (but no fanning) to encourage another little pseudo-second-flush. Normally around 1 oz, which 6 oz is more than enough for me @ a time. nom nom nom...


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    #14352468 - 04/25/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I may try an iso on BRF in the bottom of a half pint jar like I saw on a tek here and then clone one of the first fruits after I test it out and clone it if it is potent, I don't really care about weight I have more than I know what to do with as it is.

Those were 4 and 6 gallon tubs with half the brick of coir/verm and 3 quarts spawn each, I think I may have birthed a little too soon.(2 weeks)Probably why the uneven pinset, everyone that has reported back on them said they were really good so I am happy with the coir/verm but I had some zoo poo and some Hpoo I had to try out. I will let the poo ones go to second or third flush but I have 4 tubs, 9 quarts of rye, 3 quarts of WBS, and a bunch of cakes that will be ready soon so the coir ones will have to be one and done right now unless I see a million pins when I harvest.

Once I find the best sub mix for me I will experiment more with isolating and cloning and mother jars and such. I used all my GLC and tried to make two more but got the moisture content wrong, I will try again. Thanks for all the help!:super:


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14352501 - 04/25/11 10:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I know what your sayin.

Todlow man you give some good Fkn advice +++++5

Some people like to fruit there tubs a little more but that's just preference but right on.  If your puting out 5 avg first flushes that's awesome. I'd still go for the second but that's it and depending on how your substrate feels/looks. If it's putting out you shouldn't be able to get much more after the first 1-2 anyways. Your sub should be spent by then.


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    #14352567 - 04/25/11 11:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

enigma - poo gives your mushrooms more nutrients to grow. If the genetics aren't there, then they aren't. Some randomly produce better than others w/ MS, that's why it's MS. It's just a gamble.  I don't think you birthed anything too early. You let them colonize & consolidate appropriately.  Like nuts said, I colonize until I see some pins, then pop that bitch into fruiting conditions & it'll go BLAMMO!!! on you. I've put tubs into fruiting conditions that didn't appear to be 100%. After 12 hours in FC, the tubs were clearly 100%. Coir tubs don't ever appear to be 100% when in the tubs in my experience.

& what do you mean you tried to make 2 more GLCs but got your moisture content wrong? Did you not prep enough water?...I'm just a little :confused2: about that statement.


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    #14352597 - 04/25/11 11:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Crazy noob experiments!

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    #14352633 - 04/25/11 11:16 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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& what do you mean you tried to make 2 more GLCs but got your moisture content wrong? Did you not prep enough water?...I'm just a little :confused2: about that statement.




I don't know, I used two pint grain jars and noced them with 2 different MS syringes and they started growing milky white liquid, bacteria maybe? I didn't use that much to noc them, could it be because I forgot to add the gypsum this time?


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    #14352664 - 04/25/11 11:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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& what do you mean you tried to make 2 more GLCs but got your moisture content wrong? Did you not prep enough water?...I'm just a little :confused2: about that statement.




I don't know, I used two pint grain jars and noced them with 2 different MS syringes and they started growing milky white liquid, bacteria maybe? I didn't use that much to noc them, could it be because I forgot to add the gypsum this time?




OK, so you tried to inoculate 2 pint grain jars to use for GLCs that failed.

That sounds like sterile tek or bad syringes. Did you make them yourself?
Gypsum wouldn't have that large of an impact.
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    #14352692 - 04/25/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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You got pictures?




No I was about to chuck them, I am afraid of the smell when I open them though lol. Looks like I poured a melted vanilla milkshake on my grain. I will take a pic, just a min.


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    #14352724 - 04/25/11 11:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Seems like they get more milky every day I bet they smell wonderful...


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14352754 - 04/25/11 11:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Seems like they get more milky every day I bet they smell wonderful...





yea like fermenting fruit + jenkem...

I'd recommend re-evaluating everything you did w/ those 2 jars...


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14352757 - 04/25/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

BTW ended up getting about and ounce cracker per tub so it was about 2 oz for 6 quarts of spawn and coir/verm for first flush on two small tubs.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14352775 - 04/25/11 11:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I thought that it was great for my first bulk and so did my friends. I gave almost all of them away and I still have enough for myself for a few times drying.

I won't ever sell them I just give them away, shamans believe they are sacred and it will bring bad fortune if you profit from them. Sorry just been studying Shamanism, they used these thousands of years ago.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14352794 - 04/25/11 11:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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BTW ended up getting about and ounce cracker per tub so it was about 2 oz for 6 quarts of spawn and coir/verm for first flush on two small tubs.




if you do the math that's 1:2...it just seems like you got a bad MS pull...:2cents:

I've seen plenty of 6 oz flushes off of MS 1:2. It's all random.

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I thought that it was great for my first bulk and so did my friends. I gave almost all of them away and I still have enough for myself for a few times drying.

I won't ever sell them I just give them away, shamans believe they are sacred and it will bring bad fortune if you profit from them. Sorry just been studying Shamanism, they used these thousands of years ago.




I always trade mine. Me & my friends have adventures. It's fun eating 1/2 oz @ a time...you can actually get some work done


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14359591 - 04/27/11 05:03 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

zoo-poo then coir tub, Hpoo tub not worth taking pic of yet.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14361459 - 04/27/11 02:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

This is 1 dry pound of dehydrated Hpoo, rehydrated and mixed with half brick coir and quart of verm before pasteurizing, with 4 quarts rye spawned 2 days ago.

This is a hybrid mono with 10 pounds zoo poo sub/verm spawned with 3 quarts of rye 10 days ago.

This is half a brick of coir/2 quarts verm spawned with 3 quarts of rye 9 days ago.


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