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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14114346 - 03/13/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Inside of lid down full tightened. The SFDs allow for enough air exchange to keep pressure equal between the interior of the PC & interior of the jar.

Racks w/ holes in the bottom are the best. You're allowing for air to freely move around your jars, which you want. It helps keep the temps reg. throughout the jar.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14114427 - 03/13/11 02:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I will try surgical mask filter on
one since I have an extra jar anyway
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I was just trying to get opinions
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that has tried more things
like the different filters.

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I was wondering if surgical masks would work too.  After some google work I found that there are tyvek and non-tyvek surgical masks.  I am guessing the tyvek ones would work no problem.  As for the non-tyvek masks, your guess is as good as mine.

And to say they won't work out of hand because they are basically dusk masks may be inaccurate because it is a function of their intended use, ie to fit loosely on the face.  Not to be sealed on top of jars.  Enigma, I am interested to hear how they turned out.


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: fbi365]
    #14114436 - 03/13/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

So, T-Low, you're saying i shouldn't put foil on my lids?


I've always used foil on everything, and this first time using SFD i assumed i would use it on these as well??


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Re: Progress [Re: fbi365]
    #14114497 - 03/13/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I ended up using polyfil on all of them just because I am lazy and I only had 3 dust masks which I throw away after each use, and I use them when inocing so I just saved the other two in the package. I did not know that they sold tyvek dust masks and that is something I would definately like to try experimenting with in the future.

As for now I just bought 12 SFDs so that I don't have to worry about finding tyvek every time. Even though my SFDs will last me, I will still be looking for a tyvek dust mask just to see how it stands up to the PCing and if they are cheap I might use them for my PF cakes to save some money, if they survive the PCing.(If they survive a 90 minute PCing on a test jar and get no contams I am sure they would work for BRF jars and I could leave out that pesky dry verm layer)

You could just make a self healing inoc port in middle of BRF jar and lean the jar to get it to run down the four sides if there was a filter and no dry verm...maybe?


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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: biologys]
    #14114507 - 03/13/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nope. I wouldn't recommend it w/ SFDs...Try 1/2 w/ & 1/2 w/out...see which way you like better. I bet you'll be surprised.

Enigma - here's that pic of my GLC 1 week after I hit it up w/ 60cc of Clean LC solution (clean as in not inoculated yet). The first picture is of just distilled water GLC (for comparison).



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Re: Window for my Mono Tub, PLEASE HELP URGENT!!!! Running out of time,leaving soon! [Re: biologys]
    #14114527 - 03/13/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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So, T-Low, you're saying i shouldn't put foil on my lids?


I've always used foil on everything, and this first time using SFD i assumed i would use it on these as well??




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Put your SFD ON TOP of your lid

:bigyesnod: I always cut my filters to fit my GE hole then permanently adhere the to the TOP of my lid w/ RTV:



I wipe off the left over myc and grain on the under side of the lid, put on a new jar filled w/ grain & PC.

NO reason to re-do anything.  Also, with this lid design, you don't need to put foil over your lids when you PC them. Since I stopped putting foil on my lids, I have less condensation on them when I take them outta the PC 12 hours later.





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So the filter disks are water proof? Not even any steam gets down in there?





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Nope....They're .22 um...water molecules are too large to pass through via steam.

With foil on my lids, after I took them outta the PC, I'd notice that my SFD was wet. No, since I don't use foil, every time I take them outta the PC, they're dry.




What if you get too much water in your PC, because say inexperience, will water pass through the SFDs in liquid form?


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14114530 - 03/13/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I am in the middle of making all of my jars right now.  I think I will just use tyvek envelopes for now and buy some filter disks later on when I get a little more serious.  I was going to make some nice plastic lids, but the mad season is out of the gaskets for them, lame....


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Re: Progress [Re: fbi365]
    #14114550 - 03/13/11 02:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The only way water is going to pass through them is if you have them submerged under water...


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14114684 - 03/13/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is my ghetto mono with the bottom of another tub for a lid window, and the bottomless tub sitting over top of my rye berry jars inoced almost three days ago.




Overkill on the lid I know, I was bored....
The lid window was duct taped securely on both sides I just added the rest to cover the tape and make it purty, lol.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14114701 - 03/13/11 03:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I have a question, I let the most of the spore solution run down the sides of my jars because I knew no better. Is this bad, will they still colonize?


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14115529 - 03/13/11 06:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The only way water is going to pass through them is if you have them submerged under water...





How much water do you need in the PC? My thing that goes in the bottom is only like 1/2 inch off the bottom and if I put jar lids under it to raise it to about an inch total then the lids of the quarts would maybe touch the lid of the PC, they just barely fit as it is. I know that is bad, plus its an old Mirro PC and the 5-15 PSI rocker won't start rocking till it hisses for 30 minutes and also hisses when not rocking.

I put 3 inches of water in it and it only had the half inch below the stand when I was done with the between 90 and 120 minutes. It was hard to judge since I knew it was hot enough to be rocking because I did the water on the lid test.

Does the rocker maybe need cleaned or the pressure valve need replaced? Didn't you show a link somewhere to PC parts?

Am I so paranoid of heating it up too fast and hot that I turn it down before it gets to pressure?

If anyone has an idea what it is or what I am doing wrong please enlighten me. I thought that you got the PC to temp fast to get it rocking, turn down the temp, and then let it slowly shake to keep the pressure correct. I have only used the small PCs before though with the single pressure weight. Is there something different about the hockey puck shaped weights that makes them not rock all the time when they reach temp, because mine would only rock every once in a while after I turned it down to medium.

The inside of the rocker dent on the 15PSI side looks kinda dirty I guess I will try to find something to clean that out, other than that can you condition the seals on the pressure release valves or something I am missing on the temp, or whatever?


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14116629 - 03/13/11 09:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

your spore solution will be fine in the jars, you want it to run down the side, that way the bottom colonizes too. Besides, you're going to be shaking @ 15-40% so it doesn't matter that much. I put 1/2 cc in a jar & had the top colonize then shook & the whole thing turned out OK. Actually, I've G2G'd that twice now.

As for your PC, you're fine. You want to start the burner w/ water in the PC & get the water to a boil. Load your jars, you could've done this before the water was @ full boil also, then close the lid leaving the weight off. Once you see quick evaporatin (1-2) from the top of the lid, also watch the pressure gauge as it will go up, put the toggle weight on. I wait till mine hits 1 PSI on the pressure gauge then cap it. Next, leave it till the weight starts to jiggle feverishly. Start your timer @ first jiggle. Let it jiggle for 1 minute then reduce temp. till you hear a steady "hiss" & a jiggle every 5-10 minutes.

Sorry, that's a long chunk of info, but I hope I got the idea across.


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14120403 - 03/14/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think I see very small dots of myc on a few grains, just kinda glanced, is that good for four days or pretty much normal time to see first signs of growth?


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Re: Progress [Re: TranscendingLife]
    #14120435 - 03/14/11 05:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Once you see quick evaporatin (1-2) from the top of the lid,  Next, leave it till the weight starts to jiggle feverishly. Start your timer @ first jiggle. Let it jiggle for 1 minute then reduce temp. till you hear a steady "hiss" & a jiggle every 5-10 minutes.





It is better for the grains to heat slowly so they don't burst isn't it?

The one to two from the top of the lid you are talking about the steam not the water level right?


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14121719 - 03/14/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, the grains should still be slightly warm from your final simmer then strain. So, yes, you don't want cold grains. However, by letting the water boil + bringing the PC's internal air/steam to temp you're allowing for everything inside the PC to be hot before sealing.

1 drop of water evaporating in 1-2 seconds. Sorry about that. I'm trying to keep up w/ ya enigma. It's difficult @ times :wink:

Basically, you want 1 drop of water to show immediate signs of evaporation upon contact w/ the surface of the top most part of the PC. The top most part, because It'll be the last to hit temp. I keep an eye on the water droplets coming outta my toggle weight valve & do the water drop test.

The reason for this is that you're not cooking your grains & you're guaranteeing that the internal temp of the grain jars is @ 15 PSI or 250 F for 45 minutes. We PC for 90-120 minutes (depending on how much is in the PC) to ensure that the inside of the jars hits temp for an extended amount of time.

Always remember that we're not completely sterilizing our grains. We're attempting to make our grains perfect for myc to grab ahold before any contams. (Completely sterilized grains would be mush, btw.)


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    #14121753 - 03/14/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Mine looked good I guess, don't really know yet. Should know by the weekend, I am gonna GTLC one of the jars if none contam. I have 4CCs left of it and I want to make sure I keep.
Did the water test but it wasn't agitating so I just turned it down. Then figured out that the release valve under the handle was stuck, so I stood back and hit it with my hand, haha, it stopped spewing steam.


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Re: Progress [Re: 3n1gm4]
    #14129235 - 03/16/11 06:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think I am going to try this method of pasturization http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11540675#11540675
but substitute a quart of this http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=DHYM01 in place of the coffee grounds and add 5-10% gypsum. Any bad thoughts about that??


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    #14129941 - 03/16/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Visible growth on all jars today:awethumb:


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    #14140811 - 03/18/11 12:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Time to shake?









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    #14140818 - 03/18/11 12:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

looking good.


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