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A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress
#14079681 - 03/07/11 05:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just had this thought occur in my mind. I know that there are many threads about drug legalization on this website, either for or against, but I think it's about time we make an official one, use professional sources and studies for our citations (along with straight up common sense), and we can all contribute data and facts about the pros and cons of drug legalization (and address solutions for the downsides of drug legalization--for example, sobriety tests for driving under the influence of a very intoxicating drug), and submit a final paper with everyone accredited for their contributions to the paper. We can print out a final copy and submit it to all members of Congress once we deem it well-written enough. We can upload rough drafts of parts of the thesis paper and continue to revise it as time goes on. Then, one member of the Shroomery from every state should submit our final draft to their legislators/senators/representatives at the same time. This will spark a huge debate about drug legalization if we make the document professional enough and it will most likely be featured on the news.
Diagrams and illustrations for the final document that will be sent to our lawmakers are also welcome.
What do you say everyone? Let's start it off! Let's all throw out the best ideas that we can. We can start with common sense knowledge and work our way up into scientific and clinical studies, and don't forget to cite these studies, and we will use citations in either MLA or APA format. We should probably go with MLA format since that's what most college classes require when one is writing a research paper.
Everyone that posts an idea will be accredited as an author of the final draft, and we can make sure this happens by exchanging the document with each other and adding to it, and maybe removing or altering certain sections to make it sound better, so it is academic-worthy of an A paper. Let's make it flawless, so lets spend as much time on it as we can to make it as clear and concise as possible.
I'll start it off with some common sense knowledge.
-If drugs were legalized, then the purity of said drugs would be consistent, since they would have to meet a certain quality standard, which would almost completely eliminate deaths due to overdose. Also, because these drugs would be regulated for safety and quality, they would not be adulterated with any unknown chemicals or other substances, which would also decrease overdose deaths.
-If drugs were legalized, they could be better kept out of the hands of children because they would most likely be age-restricted and sold in certain stores where you must possess a valid ID to obtain drugs, given that one is of age to buy these drugs. Drugs could be sold in small dose quantities as to discourage second-hand selling of the drugs to minors. With drugs currently being illegal, anyone of any age with enough money, can buy whatever illicit drug they choose, so kids as young as 10 or even younger could buy cocaine, heroin, meth, ecstasy, etc.
I'll just submit those two points right now, since it is late for me and I need to go to bed, but I had to type up this idea before falling asleep when I might have forgotten it.
Any and all facts that we list in this forum should be put in bold, and only those facts should be emboldened, so we can have an easier time locating everyone's contributions to the topic.
I hope to see many more replies when I log in again!
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#14079691 - 03/07/11 05:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This will spark a huge debate about drug legalization if we make the document professional enough and it will most likely be featured on the news.
No, it won't. It'll just make some congressman think 'hey, the potheads are getting organized' and then he'll just file it with the other requests/junk.
If you're in the business of writing an academic paper, why not just submit it to a peer-reviewed journal and feed it into the scientific debate first? Trigger some responses/feedback from reviewers and other authors, and hone your ideas that way.
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-If drugs were legalized, then the purity of said drugs would be consistent, since they would have to meet a certain quality standard, which would almost completely eliminate deaths due to overdose. Also, because these drugs would be regulated for safety and quality, they would not be adulterated with any unknown chemicals or other substances, which would also decrease overdose deaths.
No, legalization does not automatically lead to improved quality. Price pressures from the market will still lead to segmentation, with cheap products containing stuff that is probably not good for you, and perhaps a higher priced segment with more consistent and higher quality. You'd still need active regulation of that market though, to keep producers from screwing with the product.
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-If drugs were legalized, they could be better kept out of the hands of children because they would most likely be age-restricted and sold in certain stores where you must possess a valid ID to obtain drugs, given that one is of age to buy these drugs. Drugs could be sold in small dose quantities as to discourage second-hand selling of the drugs to minors. With drugs currently being illegal, anyone of any age with enough money, can buy whatever illicit drug they choose, so kids as young as 10 or even younger could buy cocaine, heroin, meth, ecstasy, etc.
Even in a legalization scenario, youths could obtain the same drugs through illegal channels. Due to the easier proliferation, it is even conceivable that youths get better access to these substances in a legalization scenario.
Just pointing out some of the aspects you'll need to fix in your story to get your points across. Don't take my comments as a "your idea is fucked and it won't work"; I applaud the concept of collaboratively writing a decent paper on this issue, but a good paper requires good preparation. So in my opinion the following should be done: - review the academic literature on aspects of drug legalization, the economics of drug markets, quality and logistics issues in the production proliferation of drugs, political/legal aspects of current drug regulation, and social/epidemiological issues regarding drug use and abuse. This is a pretty broad scope of subjects, so you'd likely need to narrow down a bit. - identify a relevant gap in the extant literature and review related publications in further depth. Formulate a research question. - decide on methodology; are you going to get away with a literature review and possibly some propositions, or are you going to need empirical data to answer the research question? - then, perform research and work towards publication. But that's something to bother about if you've run through the steps above, which typically takes at least 6-8 weeks for a single researcher. A collaborative effort could be marginally quicker, but is likely to take even more time due to iterations and coordination costs.
Alternatively, you could opt for the non-scientific route and publish a manifesto, but then the question would be what it adds to all the stuff that's already out there.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#14079723 - 03/07/11 06:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This should be a community project for the sake of knowledge, not necessarily to submit for publication.
There is a reason that it takes 11-12 years of post high school education to gain a PhD in public health and publish papers. It takes a lot of expertise and training to be able to perform adequate research and write at an advanced level. It's not something you do on a whim.
The risk is that you end up with a paper that looks like it was written by a bunch of college kids and won't be taken seriously.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: badchad]
#14079826 - 03/07/11 07:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You'd be telling them a bunch of shit they've already heard. There are bigger things going against drug legalization than ignorance, mainly being political bullshit that you aren't going to change with statistics and knowledge. At least not until you change the publics opinion on drugs first, because that is the direction most of the politicians are going to vote.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: LoveYourLife]
#14079870 - 03/07/11 07:28 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everyone that posts an idea will be accredited as an author of the final draft, and we can make sure this happens by exchanging the document with each other and adding to it
Dude! U beat me to it! I am in the process of putting together a paper called "psychedelics for dummies" or some funky name like that, hoping it will legalize our beloved entheogens!
I got a lot of info , tips and facts and papers and other media gathered over the last 2 years!
Check you
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: desant]
#14079878 - 03/07/11 07:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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"cheap products containing stuff that is probably not good for you"
No.
"Even in a legalization scenario, youths could obtain the same drugs through illegal channels."
No. There wont be illegal channels.
"The risk is that you end up with a paper that looks like it was written by a bunch of college kids and won't be taken seriously."
We could hire/hook up with some scientists baring PhDs
From what u said you want this to be done in US right? I want it in UK and Australia too
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: LoveYourLife]
#14079882 - 03/07/11 07:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LoveYourLife said: You'd be telling them a bunch of shit they've already heard. There are bigger things going against drug legalization than ignorance, mainly being political bullshit that you aren't going to change with statistics and knowledge. At least not until you change the publics opinion on drugs first, because that is the direction most of the politicians are going to vote.
Yes but doing this is still better than doing nothing. Any media exposure is beneficial to the cause, even if its just viral. Many laws are in place to prevent chance but in the end people in large numbers still have a choice. Changing the laws directly inst a realistic goal, but influencing the opinion of more people is.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: desant]
#14079887 - 03/07/11 07:35 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everyone that posts an idea will be accredited as an author of the final draft, and we can make sure this happens by exchanging the document with each other and adding to it
Dude! U beat me to it! I am in the process of putting together a paper called "psychedelics for dummies" or some funky name like that, hoping it will legalize our beloved entheogens!
I got a lot of info , tips and facts and papers and other media gathered over the last 2 years!
Check you 
Im curious, are you focusing on local affairs or global? In-country data tends to resonate better but with the continuous increase of globalization i think its important to address this issue globally too and analyze how countries with more lenient laws are doing.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: desant]
#14079902 - 03/07/11 07:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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desant said: "cheap products containing stuff that is probably not good for you"
No.
"Even in a legalization scenario, youths could obtain the same drugs through illegal channels."
No. There wont be illegal channels.
Please explain how in your view legalization automatically leads to a high-quality product and the total eradication of any illegal channels. Both effects don't sound very plausible to me, and I think you can find evidence for the opposite in the situation with de-facto legalized cannabis in The Netherlands, where there is both an illegal market that supplies large quantities of cannabis that fall outside the range that is allowed to be traded for personal use as well as illegal outlets/dealers that supply underage individuals with cannabis. In addition, there is no form of quality control whatsoever, hence it is unclear what you ventilate through your lungs in the way of fungicides and pesticides. So in addition to legalization, you'll still need reinforcement of the boundary conditions within which legal trade is allowed.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: desant]
#14079964 - 03/07/11 08:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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desant said: "Even in a legalization scenario, youths could obtain the same drugs through illegal channels."
No. There wont be illegal channels.
that's really naive, alcohol, tobacco, prescription drugs are all prime examples of age or other restrictions places on a substance and the substance is still abused by those under age and those that have no prescription... how will the illegal channels be halted since we already know there's no form of prohibition that actually works
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14079975 - 03/07/11 08:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does a legal channel used illegally become an illegal channel? ea: script meds w.o scripts, teens paying people to buy them boose.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: The_Ghost]
#14079980 - 03/07/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think of it this way: legal channels can have illegal extensions.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: The_Ghost]
#14079983 - 03/07/11 08:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The_Ghost said: Does a legal channel used illegally become an illegal channel? ea: script meds w.o scripts, teens paying people to buy them boose.
if it has the knowledge of the proprietor, yes.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: Prisoner#1]
#14079986 - 03/07/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The_Ghost said: Does a legal channel used illegally become an illegal channel? ea: script meds w.o scripts, teens paying people to buy them boose.
if it has the knowledge of the proprietor, yes.
That would mean there are no legal channels tho, considering all legal channels can still be exploited and they obviously know this.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: koraks]
#14080016 - 03/07/11 08:26 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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This will spark a huge debate about drug legalization if we make the document professional enough and it will most likely be featured on the news.
No, it won't. It'll just make some congressman think 'hey, the potheads are getting organized' and then he'll just file it with the other requests/junk.
I think you mean intern, not congressman.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#14080026 - 03/07/11 08:31 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whatever, I'm not from the US.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: koraks]
#14115869 - 03/13/11 07:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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koraks said: I think of it this way: legal channels can have illegal extensions.
I understand your original posts...some valid points.
However, considering this, alcohol is legal in the United States as well as many other places throughout the world. In fact, I'm not aware of the countries where it is still illegal...I'll have to look into that.
Almost no one gets their alcohol through illegal channels in the U.S. They go to the liquor store.
Maybe you're referring to huge shipments of drugs that wouldn't be able to be purchased legally?
If there were enough places to buy legal drugs, these illegal extensions should not exist if drugs were legal in the same way as alcohol. Or they would be rarely used.
I don't know of any liquor store that sells hard alcohol in giant 5-gallon jugs, and I don't think I would buy it from there even if such a connection existed. What would be the point of that? First of all, you'd be paying higher prices, most likely...maybe not. It might be cheaper. I don't know, I don't buy alcohol illegally and I didn't know it could be possible. Second of all, it might not be made by a professional chemist. Thirdly, it's illegal so why do it anyway when there's an easy alternative.
When one buys a fifth of hard alcohol, or several fifths, if they do at the same time, where do most people buy it?
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: tyler_0_durden]
#14115883 - 03/13/11 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i really dont feel like reading all this non sense and if some one already posted this then good for you.
this is a bad idea. this is like all those on youtube posting videos of themselfs on salvia.
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: The_Ghost]
#14115889 - 03/13/11 07:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The_Ghost said: Does a legal channel used illegally become an illegal channel? ea: script meds w.o scripts, teens paying people to buy them boose.
if it has the knowledge of the proprietor, yes.
That would mean there are no legal channels tho, considering all legal channels can still be exploited and they obviously know this.
Can be exploited and being exploited are two different things as far as the law is concerned
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Re: A Professional Thesis Paper about Drug Legalization by Shroomery Members, for Congress [Re: Caine]
#14115923 - 03/13/11 07:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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ha as if congress would listen to us. Im all for legalization but most of congress would throw us in jail to make the prison industry happy.
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