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You asked "is there anything more annoying than", not "is there anything that has a higher annoyance level than"; the former question implies that child laughter is at least somewhat annoying, while the latter does not.
For example, if you asked "Is there anything heavier than this rock?", you would be implying that this rock has at least some weight because you are asking if there are any other objects that, when their weight is compared to the weight of this rock, are shown to be heavier; this rock has to have at least some degree of heaviness in order for anything to be heavier than it. In order to determine whether or not one thing is heavier than something else, the weight of both things must be compared; it doesn't make sense to say, for example, that 1 gram is heavier than 0 grams, because you can't compare the weight of something that is 1 gram with the "weight" something that has no weight to be compared with, it's non-existent.
Asking "Is there anything that has a higher weight level than this rock?" would not be implying that the rock has at least some weight because a weight level can be zero.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid]
#14079065 - 03/07/11 12:20 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you saying that negative annoyance is an imposssibility?
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I'm not really sure what you mean by 'negative annoyance'; I don't think there is something that can have an annoyance level that is a negative number, if that's what you mean.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid] 3
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Poid said: You asked "is there anything more annoying than", not "is there anything that has a higher annoyance level than"; the former question implies that child laughter is at least somewhat annoying, while the latter does not.
For example, if you asked "Is there anything heavier than this rock?", you would be implying that this rock has at least some weight because you are asking if there are any other objects that, when their weight is compared to the weight of this rock, are shown to be heavier; this rock has to have some at least degree of heaviness in order for anything to be heavier than it. In order to determine whether or not one thing is heavier than something else, the weight of both things must be compared; it doesn't make sense to say, for example, that 1 gram is heavier than 0 grams, because you can't compare the weight of something that is 1 gram with the "weight" something that has no weight to be compared with, it's non-existent.
Asking "Is there anything that has a higher weight level than this rock?" would not be implying that the rock has at least some weight because a weight level can be zero.
This post is more annoying than the laughter of children.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14079167 - 03/07/11 12:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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It depends if they're black.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid]
#14079183 - 03/07/11 12:43 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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what?
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
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Poid said: You asked "is there anything more annoying than", not "is there anything that has a higher annoyance level than"; the former question implies that child laughter is at least somewhat annoying, while the latter does not.
For example, if you asked "Is there anything heavier than this rock?", you would be implying that this rock has at least some weight because you are asking if there are any other objects that, when their weight is compared to the weight of this rock, are shown to be heavier; this rock has to have some at least degree of heaviness in order for anything to be heavier than it. In order to determine whether or not one thing is heavier than something else, the weight of both things must be compared; it doesn't make sense to say, for example, that 1 gram is heavier than 0 grams, because you can't compare the weight of something that is 1 gram with the "weight" something that has no weight to be compared with, it's non-existent.
Asking "Is there anything that has a higher weight level than this rock?" would not be implying that the rock has at least some weight because a weight level can be zero.
This post is more annoying than the laughter of children.
And we have a winner!
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learningtofly said: what?
It depends if the children are black, you know, because black children are really annoying; it's a joke. 
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learningtofly said:
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Poid said: You asked "is there anything more annoying than", not "is there anything that has a higher annoyance level than"; the former question implies that child laughter is at least somewhat annoying, while the latter does not.
For example, if you asked "Is there anything heavier than this rock?", you would be implying that this rock has at least some weight because you are asking if there are any other objects that, when their weight is compared to the weight of this rock, are shown to be heavier; this rock has to have some at least degree of heaviness in order for anything to be heavier than it. In order to determine whether or not one thing is heavier than something else, the weight of both things must be compared; it doesn't make sense to say, for example, that 1 gram is heavier than 0 grams, because you can't compare the weight of something that is 1 gram with the "weight" something that has no weight to be compared with, it's non-existent.
Asking "Is there anything that has a higher weight level than this rock?" would not be implying that the rock has at least some weight because a weight level can be zero.
This post is more annoying than the laughter of children.
And we have a winner! 
I thought I presented a legitimate point.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid] 2
#14079200 - 03/07/11 12:47 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, you didn't. Earlier, when I said sometimes you make irrelevant points, that is exactly what I'm talking about.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14079208 - 03/07/11 12:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well it would be nice if you could point out the error(s) in my logic, or explain to me how the points I made were irrelevant; this is a debate forum after all.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid] 2
#14079224 - 03/07/11 12:53 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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You know I don't believe in spoon-feeding.
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It's not spoon-feeding to explain the error's in another person's argument, if that were true then debating would be nothing but back-and-forth spoon-feeding.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid] 2
#14079240 - 03/07/11 12:57 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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1. Everyone who posted in the thread knew exactly what OC meant by "more annoying than" except you, who for some reason found it extremely important to point out a possible ambiguity (which could be argued to be nonexistent in the first place).
2. More than and Higher than are synonymous. I fail to see how they are not synonymous.
3, Poid, your argument only makes sense in terms of "objective" facts and since whether something is annoying is subjective, your argument is irrelevant.
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OrgoneConclusion said: You know I don't believe in spoon-feeding. 
i always feel like im lecturing this guy, not debating. all he wants is to be fed information, then argue that its faulty, then forget that you gave him the info, and asks for the same info a page later.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
#14079352 - 03/07/11 01:35 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: 1. Everyone who posted in the thread knew exactly what OC meant by "more annoying than" except you, who for some reason found it extremely important to point out a possible ambiguity (which could be argued to be nonexistent in the first place).
zappaisgod and I seemed to have interpreted what he meant by "more annoying than" similarly.
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learningtofly said: 2. More than and Higher than are synonymous. I fail to see how they are not synonymous.
I never said they weren't, I said that "more annoying than" does not imply the same thing as "has a higher level of annoyance than".
If you were at a restaurant, do you think it would make sense to ask the waiter "Can you fill this cup with some more water?" if the cup was empty, and you haven't had any water yet?
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learningtofly said: 3, Poid, your argument only makes sense in terms of "objective" facts and since whether something is annoying is subjective, your argument is irrelevant.
I'm not sure what you mean here; my argument is that "more annoying than child laughter" implies that small children are at least somewhat annoying in the same manner that "heavier than this rock" implies that this rock has at least some weight.
The suffix '-er' turns a word into a comparative when added to an adjective; a comparative denotes the degree or grade by which a person, thing, or other entity has a property or quality greater or less in extent than that of another, which means that 'heavier' denotes the degree or grade by which a person, thing or other entity has a property of weight that is greater or less in extent than that of another. Similarly, "more annoying than" denotes the degree or grade by which a person, thing or other entity's property of annoyance is greater or lesser in extent than that of another ("more annoying than" is a comparative form of 'annoying', 'annoyinger' isn't a word).
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid] 1
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I'm not sure what you mean here; my argument is that "more annoying than child laughter" implies that small children are at least somewhat annoying in the same manner that "heavier than this rock" implies that this rock has at least some weight.
Yes, and? OC already established that child laughter is annoying.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: mushiepussy]
#14079364 - 03/07/11 01:39 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: You know I don't believe in spoon-feeding. 
i always feel like im lecturing this guy...
, wow, ain't that a hoot! 
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mushiepussy said: ...not debating. all he wants is to be fed information, then argue that its faulty, then forget that you gave him the info, and asks for the same info a page later.
All I want is evidence for your claims that I can work with, I don't want to be spoon-fed. Debates go well when each person explains their positions and disagreements clearly, and I like participating in debates that go well, regardless of whether or not my position turns out to be wrong.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: learningtofly]
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I'm not sure what you mean here; my argument is that "more annoying than child laughter" implies that small children are at least somewhat annoying in the same manner that "heavier than this rock" implies that this rock has at least some weight.
Yes, and? OC already established that child laughter is annoying.
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OrgoneConclusion said: I never said I found the laughter of small children to be annoying. This is the danger of making assumptions.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: Poid]
#14079383 - 03/07/11 01:45 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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regardless of whether or not my position turns out to be wrong.
yeah, but once you have been proved you wrong it's time for you to drop it instead of just giving new definitions to things so you can continue to argue.
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Re: Is there anything more annoying... [Re: mushiepussy]
#14079399 - 03/07/11 01:51 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: regardless of whether or not my position turns out to be wrong.
yeah, but once you have been proved you wrong it's time for you to drop it instead of just giving new definitions to things so you can continue to argue.
"once you have been proved you wrong"? 
Obviously, if I have some rebuttals to express, then I don't agree that I've been proven wrong; debate is a back-and-forth process, and sometimes it can be tedious. If you don't like this, then you probably shouldn't debate, or if you just don't like when debate becomes tedious, then maybe you should just cop-out when that happens and stop participating. 
I don't give new definitions to things, period, and I definitely don't do that so I can continue to argue; I'd be curious to see what evidence you have for this accusation.
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