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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: fngbronco]
    #14078678 - 03/06/11 10:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Did you see my previous post?  Not the mushroom cap one but scroll up a little....


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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14078761 - 03/06/11 11:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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i GrOw StUFF I am sorry. I totally ruined you post.

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Nah dude its all good, this is interesting stuff, Ive kept frogs before but only local ones in a less complicated setup......I would like to have an exotic frog terrarium in the future, except a BIG one....Is there any other species of frogs or other animals you can keep with them?....I know some are territorial so you probably can't....but the ones that arent territorial?? Like some lizards ro other stuff?





You said a BIG one?

This guys turned an entire room into a terrarium... The room looks 8' x 12' with a 12' ceiling...
I hope you meant this BIG that would be awesome!!!...

http://www.dendroboard.com/forum/parts-construction/46988-terrarium-room-build-pic-heavy.html


The problem with keeping other animals in with dart frogs is the climate.
Dart frogs require 80% - 100% humidity. With Ideal conditions being 95% + humidity.
And not many other animals can live in that environment and be healthy...

There have been people to do so but you need a BIG Terrarium

The Rain Forrest have dozens of micro climates.
And Dart frogs live in the micro climate on the Forrest floor.

Lizards and reptiles typically live higher up in the Rain Forrest in a different micro climate.

And to produce these different micro climates in a terrarium is almost pretty much impossible.

BUT!!!...

The best way to create the micro climates would be to make a tall terrarium

And when I say tall I mean tall... larger than 4 foot tall.
where you can make the bottom half have little to no air flow
with nearly 100% if not 100% humidity where you then have plant foliage
creating some what of a canopy over the bottom half. protecting it from the top half
where you would then have you heat and basking lamps for lizards and good air flow
and humidity in the ranges of 60% - 75%.

But if you scaled it down to a 4' tall terrarium you could probably keep dart frogs
and anoles on the same enclosure, But not a chameleon because they are very picky
when it comes to environment.

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: fngbronco]
    #14078813 - 03/06/11 11:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13623272
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13669835
here's the grows. I wonder if gyms or pan cambo or cyans could make it.





Well I have only just mastered Cubesis. I am trying my hand at ATL#7 now. and I just finnished my flow hood.
I got my GH dialed in so it think I can start growing Pan cambo or cyans...

But trust me that is my ultimate goal.
Growing actives im my terrariums.
Mushrooms in the terrariums look awesome.
And they keep the environment healthy.

So I am on a mission to make this happen.

I just need to get to the point where I can cultivate
some of the more exotic species and and keep introducing
Them into the terrarium and hope one of them takes ahold.


I should try talking to some people here are absolute mushroom guru's...
I am sure they may have a better idea what may or may not work.

I would just probably have to give them the details of the environmental conditions
And the substrate I use inside the terrarium. :shrug:



But if all else fails and i cannot get a active going inside of my terrarium
I am going to print a mushroom I see growing in the terrarium and try to grow
it out on agar and the introduce ALOT of the mycelium all over the terrarium and
Let it take hold.... hopefully.

If i go that route I will just have to wait until I see a cool one growing out...
something like this one.

Because it is big enough for the frogs to hop around on the caps and stuff...

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: Stains Blue]
    #14078824 - 03/06/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

if you want to find out what will work in the enviroment/substrate i'd suggest giving stonesun a PM...the man knows his shit and is very kind im sure he'll give you some details to help ya out.

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: Stains Blue]
    #14078836 - 03/06/11 11:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ahh, cool thanks for the reply... I also like turtles and tortoises.  I had a Sulcata tortoise.  Unfortunately I had built an outdoor terrarium for the summer which my dog broke through the fence, and you know the rest of the story.  I had him during my college years and was devistated when that happened.  Almost shot my dog, but he didn't know any better.  He is a coyote hybrid so I got over it, instinct is all....  But obviously a different climate the sulcata and tropical frogs.  Desert vs. tropical.  I asked that previous question because I wanted a terrarium of some sort with frogs and turtles/tortoises in it at the same time.....If I ever did it I would want a HUGE terrarium like that link you sent me.  Since I've gotten older I am not a big fan of keeping animals caged in a small environment, I need to go all out....I actually built a pond in my backyard so I can rescue turtles that I find in the road after people build developments, destroyng acres of land.....Also for stocking some fish and provide a habitat for the local frogs....Although I my have to go to war with the god damn coons.....Maybe I should get a coon dog.,...


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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: biologys]
    #14078849 - 03/06/11 11:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I think I have bugged stonesun enough lately :rofl:

But I am and not good enough with growing mushrooms to attempt this yet.
My frog terrarium is better at growing mushrooms than I am right now.
It has grow dozens of different species, I on the other hand have only grown cubensis.

I am going to wait a little while until I feel I am proficient enough until I start
Bugging people about different species and my frog tank ect... ect...


But the good news is. If I grow actives out of my terrarium by introduction from agar
(Not my half ass attempts with burring a cake like I have in the past lol)
I will be posting the pictures here on the shroomery LOL!!!
I don't think dendroboard would be happy with me posting pictures on there website
of cultivating active mushroom specie's inside a frog terrarium...

On the other hand I am sure if I did that I bet it would turn alot of frog enthusiasts
into mushroom enthusiasts and give the shroomery a good handful of new dedicated members...

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14078863 - 03/06/11 11:38 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol a coon dog has to be trained, you can train any other dog the same


hell get a pitbull, or even a jack russel they will tree anything that runs from them! haha



haha yeah you'd have to write up a tek 'the frog terrarium mushroom TEK"

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14078867 - 03/06/11 11:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I've got me a coonhound...be sure you can keep up with them. They're not a ton of energy but get super annoying if you keep them from what they want (whining, bawling, destruction). He's the best dog I've owned. If ya stick them on coons tho be sure they don't follow them into the water, coons will drown a dog.


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I challenge you to challenge yourself more! When you feel complacent and ready to hang it up, challenge yourself to get over it! If you fail, don't look at it as you didn't succeed, look at it as you would a rock face you're trying to climb. Stand back, wayyyy back, and look at it and plot another path. If you can't find one, shuffle down the way a little, a little change of scenery or a view from a different angle may give you the insight you need.

Anything I state is relayed information from a friend of a friend and should be viewed as completely fictitious. I do not partake in any illegal or grey-area-of-the-law activities, but do have lots of friends who may or may not.    -fngbronco

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14078876 - 03/06/11 11:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The problem I see with that would probably be disease...
I don't know if turtles carry the chytrid fungus or not.
but chytrid will kill a frog quickly... it is wreaking havok
on our amphibian population as we speak...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070503095949.htm

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: fngbronco]
    #14078928 - 03/06/11 11:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I know, I have some good friends that have raised coonhounds for many years.  Unfortunately the dog I have now is a smart bastard but I didn't raise him..  He leaves my chickens and guineas alone and actually hangs out with them, but he had to eat my tortoise.....But I have alot of property.  My dogs don't have a leashes because they frequently run through the woods and I don't want them to snag it on a tree or something and get hurt.  They listen and can leave them outside all day if I wanted.....

How hard can it be growing cubes in your terrarium?  Not that I'm saying I can do it, Ive never had a tropical frog terrarium....but you have like 95% humidity, you can use a 6500K light, you can mist...The only problem might be FAE....But even if you didn't have that you can still just have some long lanky mushrooms you can eat right?


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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14078978 - 03/07/11 12:00 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I have grown cubes in my terrarium...
I just buried the cake in the substrate.

The problem is that they wont take hold...
Meaning they wont keep growing. once the cake
is spent the mycelium wont keep going and spreading.

They were not as whispy as you may think.
I have a Mistking and my terrarium get alot of FAE
But thats why I have a automatic misting system (i.e. Mistking)

(I am surprised people here have not purchased a Mistking to automate there GH)

http://www.mistking.com/




I am looking for a mushroom that will not just fruit. But will survive or thrive
and take hold in my terrarium and keep coming back without me having to keep
"planting" it there...


Tell you the truth tho, the cubensis may have survived in there, maybe they just have not fruited again...

Either way cubensis are a dung loving specie and my frogs don't eat plant matter they eat fruit flies.
so to be honest I am sure the mycelium is dead by now...

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: Stains Blue]
    #14078995 - 03/07/11 12:03 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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The problem I see with that would probably be disease...
I don't know if turtles carry the chytrid fungus or not.
but chytrid will kill a frog quickly... it is wreaking havok
on our amphibian population as we speak...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070503095949.htm




yeah, I hear that....I'll have to do some studying with that.  Its always been a goal of mine for a big tropical terrarium.....Didn't even think about mushrooms in it too....frogs, mushrooms, other animals in there....that would be fucking great...That will be tomorrows studying


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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14079008 - 03/07/11 12:06 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What is the substrate you are burying it in?


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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14079035 - 03/07/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Really tho...

A mistking in a GH for mushrooms would solve people's problems with

Misting there mushrooms
All the issues with coolmist humidifiers.
all you have to do is add a fan for FAE
and all have to do is dial in the timer
to go off ever so often to maintain 90% + humidity.

the timer that comes with the system is a seconds timer.

meaning you can have it go ON  at 12:00.00 and go OFF at 12:00.01

or ON at 12:00 and OFF at 12:01

It is literally adjustable for any time duration you wish. from 1 second to 24 hours.

you can even set up for days... meaning it goes off every sunday and only on sunday at 12:00
and off at 12:01...

or you can set up for every day BUT sunday or
only on mondays wednesdays and fridays... ect... ect... how ever you like it.

really nice timer for a misting system.






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What is the substrate you are burying it in?




ABG Mix... Atlanta Botanical Garden Mix... it was developed by the Atlanta Botanical garden for orchids and air plants and things like that... really great mix...

This is what is in the ABG Mix:

2 parts tree fern fiber
2 parts cocofiber
2 parts orchid bark
1 part peat moss
1 part charcoal


We know mushrooms like cocofiber (coco coir)
And I did see some mycelium running threw that
When I planted it there. but there is alot of
bad shit in a frog terrarium... I am sure
the cubensis mycelium is dead...

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    #14079076 - 03/07/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Is there such thing a a tropical woodlover mushroom that is active?

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    #14079079 - 03/07/11 12:22 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Alot of bad shit?.....Is there crazy stuff growing in there?  Ever have any mold problems or anything?  Just curious because my brain is in overdrive right now with your setup......Is there any FAE in the frog terrarium?....Unfortunately don't have the money right now to invest in a tropical setup, or to buy some frogs....


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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: Stains Blue]
    #14079098 - 03/07/11 12:26 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Is there such thing a a tropical woodlover mushroom that is active?




not sure....I have just grown cubes on BRF, Coir etc.....


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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: i GrOw StUFF]
    #14079102 - 03/07/11 12:27 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Try Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, P. zapotecorum, P. caerulescens, P. weilii and P. caerulipes.

^quick search found that.

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    #14079129 - 03/07/11 12:33 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Alot of bad shit?.....Is there crazy stuff growing in there?  Ever have any mold problems or anything?  Just curious because my brain is in overdrive right now with your setup......Is there any FAE in the frog terrarium?....Unfortunately don't have the money right now to invest in a tropical setup, or to buy some frogs....





Ohhh yeah there is crazy stuff growing in there all the time.

It is like a fungus battle field... one specie always trying to over take another...

I said earlier that if you plan on owning dart frogs and grow mushrooms you better have a flowhood.
because I have seen trich growing in there cobweb mold all kind of slime molds
you name the color of mold or fungus and i have see it in there at one time or another...

So if you got dart frogs your house is going to have contaminates typical mushroom growers
wouldn't conceive of having... not to mention some of the seed pods and nut pods I have in there
that came from http://www.blackjungleterrariumsupply.com/ they got from Brazil and south america
I am sure they had spores from the amazon on them... all of which produce spores and if there in
your terrarium there in your house.



So yeah if you plan on having dart frogs plan on having a flowhood.
I am just now building my flowhood and it should be complete by next week
and I have gotten away with using a glove box... but at a price tho.
I have a 10 - 40% contamination rate with and rye or BRF Cake i do...
so if I make 10 jars, I almost expect 2 or 3 of them to be contaminated.

That should change when I get my flowhood up and running
(I hope if not i just wasted $300.00 dollars.)

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Re: Check out this fat ass [Re: biologys]
    #14079145 - 03/07/11 12:36 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Try Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, P. zapotecorum, P. caerulescens, P. weilii and P. caerulipes.

^quick search found that.





Thanks for that info...

I have not been serious about trying to grow actives in the terrarium tho.
I am trying to get really good at this mycology thing before I attempt that
so I am not just wasting my time.

But I am going to save thoes names of mushrooms to a note pad
they will probally be the first ones I try providing I can obtain a print.

THANKS!!!
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