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Grapefruit
Freak in the forest


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Cups said: Which is more beneficial...To know "who" you are...or to know "who" you want to be?
To know who you are, because who you are doesn't want to be anything.
You don't want to improve yourself at all? No learning a new language, no learning a new meditation technique, not even becoming more compassionate?
I don't know about chronic but I feel that external objectives are empty of real value and the only reason to take up any practice is to deepen insight and know the self so one can find intensify the sensual experience of reality. If you feel you have gone as deep into awakening as is possible or you are fully awake then you might take up something else but untill then nothing else is worth it because the reward pales in value compared to the infinite. Just a personal thing and I may well find I'm wrong in the future or that it is not acheivable. I'm willing to take that risk though.
-------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
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Chronic7
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Grapefruit said: If you feel you have gone as deep into awakening as is possible or you are fully awake then you might take up something else but untill then nothing else is worth it because the reward pales in value compared to the infinite.
Its pretty awesome how the once mundane can later be seen to be the miraculous.
It's like first there's 'the falling away of worldly things' where you lose interest in everything, it all seems irrelevant & meaningless in comparison to Self realization, then you finally find your Self/Infinity and then all those little things that seemed meaningless are seen to be reflections of that one reality.
That's where the real freedom is, not freedom from living in the world but freedom whilst living in the world.
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Grapefruit
Freak in the forest


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That doesn't surprise me but I'm at that first bit.
-------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
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Chronic7
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Its good man, as long as you know its something to welcome, it happened to me when i didn't know anything about it being a common part of realizing a deeper reality, i just woke up one day & lost interest in everything, i remember sitting on the floor of bedroom totally defeated & energyless saying out loud to myself 'what's happening to me? im losing interest in everything' it was pretty scary, looking back though it was pretty beautiful & totally necessary to really realize what i did want, total peace & nothing less.
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



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I don't know about chronic but I feel that external objectives are empty of real value
Then imo down the road you'll find out you missed out on many of the good and fun and adventurous things in life when you had the energy of youth to make them happen for a vain quest.
You can report back when you're an old man.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Cups
technically "here"


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Do all those memories really help on those dark night of the soul type days and weeks Icelander?
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Chronic7
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I agree to an extent but if Grapefruit rejects the world & truly finds the Self he will not regret it in anyway IMO, as IME it is the greatest possible experience in a human body. Bliss beyond measure, if you really find your way to meditate into it then it's simply incomparable to any other joy. If you lived in union with this bliss i don't feel you would look back on your life feeling that you somehow missed out on something
But yeah, we shall see, its a shame when im 50 you might not be around for me to prove you wrong
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Grapefruit
Freak in the forest


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It wouldn't surprise me at all if that was the case as I said. All someone can do is take their chips, pick up their hand and throw their cards on the table. I don't see how I can really enjoy anything if I can't be ok with sitting still though. And with my body as fucked due as it is at the moment (due to my dabblings with internal things) it's not as if I have any of that mythological "energy of youth" or can even do anything very physical.
-------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
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Chronic7
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But yeah, we shall see, its a shame when im 50 you might not be around for me to prove you wrong 
Actually i only have another 22 years... gonna stick around?
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Icelander
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Re: [Re: Cups]
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Cups said: Do all those memories really help on those dark night of the soul type days and weeks Icelander?
Yeah they do. As much as anything can. I can often put myself back there and relive it to some degree. I hope to head out as soon as the weather turns and make a few more before it's all over.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Icelander
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Grapefruit said: It wouldn't surprise me at all if that was the case as I said. All someone can do is take their chips, pick up their hand and throw their cards on the table. I don't see how I can really enjoy anything if I can't be ok with sitting still though. And with my body as fucked due as it is at the moment (due to my dabblings with internal things) it's not as if I have any of that mythological "energy of youth" or can even do anything very physical.
I'm sorry to hear you're ill. Have you tried Oi Gong to restore your energy. It takes awhile of consistant practice but it really helps me. And I only stand in one position so it's not hard to learn and you don't have to move a muscle.
But my position is why not explore both. Objective reality and the inner landscape. That's how I approached it. Now, at 58 I'm grateful most for all my time exploring solo in the desert.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Grapefruit
Freak in the forest


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I have tried QiGong but have never managed to keep it up for more than a couple of months.
I certaintly wanna go and hike in places once I've managed to restore my health right now a pack is too painful.
-------------------- Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. "Chat your fraff Chat your fraff Just chat your fraff Chat your fraff"
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irie.one
I Respect I Eternally


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They are both of equal importance as I see it. Who you are now is a reflection of who you once wanted to be, which places greater value on who you want to be in the present. While living in the present is essential to a fulfilling life, moving towards a goal (who you want to be) is part of who you are now. I strive for balance of both and not focusing too much on who I want to be, not placing expectations on myself (no expectations means no failing), and enjoying who I presently am.
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Kickle
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Who are you presently?
-------------------- Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction? Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain
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Chronic7
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'no matter where you go you are what you are playa and you can try to change but that's just the top layer man you was who you was 'fore you got here'
Jigga Man
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irie.one
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The Chronic said: 'no matter where you go you are what you are playa and you can try to change but that's just the top layer man you was who you was 'fore you got here'
Jigga Man
Nothing but wisdom from Brooklyn's finest rapper .
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Strumpling
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what do I want to do and what are some ways I could start going about doing that?
who gives a fuck who I am? what am I doing? rinse repeat.
-------------------- Insert an "I think" mentally in front of eveything I say that seems sketchy, because I certainly don't KNOW much. Also; feel free to yell at me. In addition: SHPONGLE
Edited by Strumpling (03/15/11 03:32 AM)
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