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    #14077383 - 03/06/11 07:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Making my cakes for the first time, going ok but I overlooked one thing.

Im about to put them in the Presure Cooker and I think I made too many jars and might have to stack them on top of each other. Is this ok??

Also after I filled my jars I forgot to wipe around the edge of the jar where the layer of Verm is gonna go.  Will this cause a problem?

Please help


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077408 - 03/06/11 07:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A quick search says that stacking jars in the pressure cooker seems to be okay!

And I edited my post because I'm still a new grower so I'm not sure about the edges issue


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077420 - 03/06/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the advice on the PC

For the wipe down, it needs to be done before you add the protevtive layer of verm.  I just dont know how big a risk this is.


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077435 - 03/06/11 07:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Better to wipe the edge, but don't fret over it. Ok to stack.


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14077443 - 03/06/11 07:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks,

Its a shame after so much fucking reading I forgot this tiny step.  Fingers crossed :smile:


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077459 - 03/06/11 07:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Im about to put them in the Presure Cooker and I think I made too many jars and might have to stack them on top of each other. Is this ok??




Yes,,,It is just fine to stack them,,,,Just be sure to cover the tops with foil.

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Also after I filled my jars I forgot to wipe around the edge of the jar where the layer of Verm is gonna go.  Will this cause a problem?




Yes,,,This will be a major Issue,,,,One of the main reasons people fail the first time is this exact reason.
It is imperative that you wipe the rim and the inner wall down before placing the verm layer.
Like the above poster said,,,,Take out the verm and wipe it down,,,,I have even been guilty of this,,,However,,,When I did forget to wipe,,I threw the verm out wiped them down and then placed fresh verm on them.

I would definitely throw the old verm out,,,If you have any mix on it your chances of contamination run higher.

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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curbstop]
    #14077501 - 03/06/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Here is a link,,,I'm sure you've seen it,,,,However skip ahead to about 3:45,,,,Roadkill will tell you the importance of wiping the rim and the inner wall of the jar down:super:


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curbstop]
    #14077556 - 03/06/11 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ok has anyone not wiped down the lid and been ok?  not that im lazy they are already cooking away after I read the response saying not to fret?

No disrespect meant to anyone just want to know if I have a chance of being ok or if i should run upstairs and get them the F@$% out quick lol


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077596 - 03/06/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well its too late to do anything about it now, but if i had to guess i would say it would only decrease your success rate by ~10%ish.  My 2 cent:shrug:
details man, you cant forget details


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077608 - 03/06/11 08:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Frequently. :sadyes:


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077625 - 03/06/11 08:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sigh.

So my pot is at a boil.  I used two stacks of jar lids and tin foil to lift the jars off of the water and bottom of the pan.

So my pot is at a boil, i take a peak and i see the water spashing up slightly at the top of the cans.  I wrapped the top with tin foil but I dont know how confidend I can be the steam and moisture still wont easily find its way into my jars.

I need to smoke a joint :frown: major bummer after 2 weeks of reading PF tek

Should I just cut my losses and try another batch of cakes tomorrow?


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14077635 - 03/06/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Doc_T said:
Frequently. :sadyes:




what do u mean doc?


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077638 - 03/06/11 08:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I frequently miss that step.
I've gotten better about it.


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: Doc_T]
    #14077669 - 03/06/11 08:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

oh i see. yeah i almost missed it on my first set of jars, which btw i have strong growth in 6 days after inoc. with homemade spore syringe.
not to thread jack, but i have a question for Doc T, how long till you are in the clear for contams? (generally speaking) i'm only wondering because it was my first time making a syringe and i wasn't extremely carefull


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077698 - 03/06/11 08:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No problem ask all the questions you want as long as someone answeres mine :smile:

So guys, seriously how effective is a tinfoil wrap on top of the jars from stopping humidiity and water from getting in?  I mean after 90 minutes in steam is it not impossible?

Is the tinfoil only there to minimize the issue?

On another note, im going to be growin Ecudorian :smile: have any of you tried it out? thanks boys


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077726 - 03/06/11 08:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

well if u have a tight lidon your pot, and turned ur temp down to a min boil, u dont need much water in there, so i wouldnt let the watter even come close to the tops.
second, the foil and tape should keep most of it out, and u can prob tell once u take them out if water got in.
Never tried ecudorian, but most cubes are about the same so they should be fine


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077763 - 03/06/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

for fuck sakes i forgot the tape. that makes sense!

I swear I have never felt like such a newb.

Surely I am totally fucked now?


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077773 - 03/06/11 08:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

you dont need tape, just put foil over the jar lids...bring to a boil but make sure the waters not high enough to boil up too high on the jars to get under the foil, ppl make things too complicated then they really are.


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: biologys]
    #14077790 - 03/06/11 08:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

RR doesnt think that tape is too complicated, Just sayin... for 5 seconds of time i dont see what some issurance hurts? Besides, my lids always have condensation on them when i take the foil off, so im always thankful for the tape :shrug:


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: biologys]
    #14077806 - 03/06/11 08:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, so I should probably be fine.

I have foil wrapped around my lid tops and the water was only slightly splashing up before i lowered the heat (2 mins) Now the water is at a good level, hardly touching the bottom of the jars.

I really appreciate the advice guys, i have honestly been reading about this for two weeks but certain things only experiance can help you with.

It also helps to not have a wife around freaking out and asking questions when you have a needle on the table lol


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077810 - 03/06/11 08:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i just saw that u said u forgot tape. my bad. you will most likely be ok, but i the more things u skip, your chances are diminishing... be more careful next time. If u did the required research you would make all these mistakes.:shrug: 
dont give up on them yet tho, im sure if you have good inoc procedure youll have some great cakes


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077823 - 03/06/11 08:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i wasn't referring to putting it on being too complicated, i was referring to "OMG OMG I FORGOT TO PUT IT ON OH GOD IM DOOOMED"

yes, tape helps, but its not a manditory item, your entire grow isn't fucked because you forgot it..



but the fact is you cant relay everything you do in this hobby as "i have to do everything exactly the way RR does"


simply put, you can bet if a member on this forum tries something different, and has great results with it, and reproduces that method and its proven to work...RR will try it, and possibly change his methods if it works well for him...


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: biologys]
    #14077854 - 03/06/11 08:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No doubt biologys, i consider you a very credible source.

I, being the noob that i am, like to be as careful as possible in my first trials, and i think that it is best for other noobs to do the same, then once you have success you can start making your shortcuts. Thats the only reason i mentioned any of that. And if he is making all these mistakes now, im concerned with his inoc procedure. I have hope though, Good luck OP!!


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077872 - 03/06/11 08:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

agree completely

not trying to be a dick at all, i learned ALOT from RR, no doubt about that and he's a very skilled man

i just see everyone thinking if you dont do your method exactly the way RR does then you're 'wrong' and thats not true at all

Not only has all of us learned from him, but im willing to bet there has been a few things that he's picked up from these forums that has helped him learn some things as well..


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077885 - 03/06/11 08:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I feel I did a lot of research, but your first shot is your first shot.  I knew the steps, I had the required material and when everything was layed out in front of me I made some mistakes.

I know next time it will be flawless. 

So I assume after the sterilization if my jars dont seem saturated im good to innoculuate ONCE they have COOLED

overnight.


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077918 - 03/06/11 08:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yep, thats what id do.

one thing to note, you dry verm layer should look diff from your verm/brf/water below it, so it should be easy to tell if the dry layer got wet, if it did, start over. IMO


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14077934 - 03/06/11 08:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I would completly start over.

I paid 30 for my spores and only 7 for my brf and verm

This will be my first time tripping in like 10 years. amazing.


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14077958 - 03/06/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

haha well good luck man, i hope you get fruits. I too am new and im about  a week and a half ahead of you, and im super excited. just noticed my first growth in my jars. That will certainly be an exciting day for you haha


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14078119 - 03/06/11 09:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What is the best state to let them cool in overnight

In drained pot with lid on or off?


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14078256 - 03/06/11 09:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I really need to know how i should leave the cakes

right now i have the pot which i just took off of the tove, sitting in my sink. Lid on. full of steam

how should i stire the jars untill inoculation


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14078269 - 03/06/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

just let it cool down over night in the pot, remove and inoculate then store on a shelf or somewhere.


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: iSHACKA]
    #14078275 - 03/06/11 09:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

they are fine in the pot, or anywhere as far as i know


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Re: PF TEK (Quick Help) [Re: curiousgeorge91]
    #14078290 - 03/06/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sweeet

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