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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14075738 - 03/06/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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"The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians."

CAIR is the specific unindicted co-conspirator I referred to.  Of course, I didn't mention it because I knew you would fall into that trap.  CAIR is a terrorist enabling organization that sends money to terrorists and brings lawsuits to stifle anti-terrorist activities.





I just love the way you try to dismiss me as a troll. What, my researched and thought out responses bother you? Should I pull shit out of my ass and post it like you do?




Did I call you a troll?  Stop whining.
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Funny that you decided to ignore every other organization in my link. Like I said, you actually have to look for things that (gasp) don't fit your preconceived ideas.




I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.  It is in the Koran that it is halal to lie to Kaffirs.
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There are Islam bloggers all over who speak out against the violence. People like professors, Islamic leaders, you know, those who are actually educated on the topic.




Where were these cunts when people got killed for posting meany cartoons?  Hiding under their beds.  If they had had any balls they would have posted the fucking cartoons themselves.
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Call me a troll once more and I will report you.




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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14075821 - 03/06/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

Spread your tiny wings and buzz off.

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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14076028 - 03/06/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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TheThinker said:
Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

Spread your tiny wings and buzz off.



Wow, registered for 5 days and already you can't cope. 


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14076167 - 03/06/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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TheThinker said:
Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

Spread your tiny wings and buzz off.





Hold up dude.  You need to grow a thick skin. This is how Zap plays his game.  It is a game you know?  You have some good points and so does your opponent no matter what you may be saying here. It's kind of like big time wrestling with a lot of eye gouging when the ref isn't looking.  Stay in the game. After awhile you won't even notice yourself reacting to the other guys bull :poop: This will mean they have acted as a teacher for you.  (Petty Tyrant as Don Juan would say)

But if you can't hack it you can't. :shrug:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14076616 - 03/06/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Net]
    #14076674 - 03/06/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14076753 - 03/06/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Net said:
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zappaisgod said:

I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.




You're saying that if the news doesn't report it "regularly" (whatever that might mean), it isn't enough for Muslim groups to issue statements as you have described?


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Net]
    #14077333 - 03/06/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Our media simply won't let that Narrative into the 24 hour news cycle. Hell, they gave more air-time to the Oscars on SATURDAY than they did to the Wisconsin protests.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14077421 - 03/06/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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Net said:
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zappaisgod said:

I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.



Yep, that is a perfectly reasonable set of criteria. Incidentally, I don't believe any statement issued by the Pentagon, the CIA, or the State Department for the same reason.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14077550 - 03/06/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Zenarchist23 said:
Our media simply won't let that Narrative into the 24 hour news cycle. Hell, they gave more air-time to the Oscars on SATURDAY than they did to the Wisconsin protests.



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zappaisgod said:
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Net said:
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zappaisgod said:

I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.





What media?  The mainstream Zionist owned media?


That goes completely agaisnt Zionist foreign policy initiatives.

you'd have better luck getting a blood transfusion from a granite rock.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Shins]
    #14077760 - 03/06/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The terms "Zionist", "Reptilian-Alien" and other emotionally charged words which reference a faceless-mass, or hive-mind serve to distract the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment.

Way to play into the predominate Narrative.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14078413 - 03/06/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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TheThinker said:
Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

Spread your tiny wings and buzz off.





Hold up dude.  You need to grow a thick skin. This is how Zap plays his game.  It is a game you know?  You have some good points and so does your opponent no matter what you may be saying here. It's kind of like big time wrestling with a lot of eye gouging when the ref isn't looking.  Stay in the game. After awhile you won't even notice yourself reacting to the other guys bull :poop: This will mean they have acted as a teacher for you.  (Petty Tyrant as Don Juan would say)

But if you can't hack it you can't. :shrug:




I know the game all too well. I have played this before. Established poster can say anything. New poster has to play by the rules, Fuck that.

Zappa is a troll who deliberately disrupts any thread that his parroting nonsense doesn't fit into. Why should I come into a hostile environment and tolerate this treatment? I came here to discuss politics, not imagined talking head points and parrots. My responses are well thought out and this seems to threaten longtime posters. If this is indeed the case then my work here is done.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14078440 - 03/06/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

bye  :hi:

Good luck finding your perfect world. :lol:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14078458 - 03/06/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
bye  :hi:

Good luck finding your perfect world. :lol:





Perfect world? All I expected was an even playing field. If I have to enter into a drama event every time on a thread then none of you are worth my time.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Zenarchist23]
    #14078731 - 03/06/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Zenarchist23 said:
The terms "Zionist", "Reptilian-Alien" and other emotionally charged words which reference a faceless-mass, or hive-mind serve to distract the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment.

Way to play into the predominate Narrative.





First of all, don't insult our intelligence by associating Zionism with Reptilians and other such loosely supported conspiracy theory.

Zionism is an ideology, and a highly politically relevant one at that, not some "emotionally charged word which references a faceless-mass"

Read this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
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Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.[1] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to 1) non-political, Cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and 2) political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as in Christian Zionism.

Zionism does not have a uniform ideology, but has evolved in a dialogue among a plethora of ideologies: General Zionism, Religious Zionism, Labor Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, Green Zionism, etc. However, the common denominator among all Zionists is the claim to Eretz Israel as the national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for the Jewish national self-determination (as shown, among others, by Gideon Shimoni).[2] It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.[3]

After almost two millennia of existence of the Jewish diaspora without a national state, the Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to rising antisemitism in Europe, exemplified by the Dreyfus Affair in France and the Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire.[4] The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat.[5] At that time, the movement sought to encourage Jewish migration to the Ottoman Palestine.

Although initially one of several Jewish political movements offering alternative responses to assimilation and antisemitism, Zionism grew rapidly and became the dominant force in Jewish politics with the destruction of Jewish life in Central and Eastern Europe where these alternative movements were rooted.

The movement was eventually successful in establishing Israel on 14 May 1948 (5 Iyyar 5708 in the Hebrew calendar), as the homeland for the Jewish people. The proportion of the world's Jews living in Israel has also steadily grown since the movement came into existence. Today roughly 40% of the world's Jews live in Israel.[6] These two outcomes represent the historical success of Zionism, unmatched by any other Jewish political movement in the past 2,000 years.

In some academic studies, Zionism has been analyzed both within the larger context of diaspora politics and as an example of modern national liberation movements.[7]

Zionism was also directed at assimilation into the modern world. As a result of the Diaspora, many of the Jewish people were outcasts and had no knowledge of the modern era. There were Jews who desired complete assimilation and were willing to neglect their faith in an attempt at modernization. The assimilationists, who are depicted as truly messianic, were a radical group in Jewish history. They desired a pure revolution: a complete integration of Jews into European society. This would dispel any dissimilarity between Jews and non-Jews. They are described as messianic in their anticipation and desire of a new era. Assimilationists were not concerned with keeping their own identity but wanted homogeneity. They would disband their traditional views and opinions as long as it insured complete assimilation into the modern world. Another less radical form of assimilation was called cultural synthesis. Those in favor of cultural synthesis emphasized an obligation to maintain traditional Jewish values but also a need to conform to a modernist society. They are described as defensive and sought to reject the pure revolution that the assimilationists promoted. They aimed to eradicate any disparity between Jewish and modern life. However (in contrast with assimilationists), they also wanted to preserve their own faith and many of their traditional values. They were concerned that if Jews lost their identification, the result would be detrimental. Those in favor of cultural synthesis desired a balance between change and continuity as opposed to the assimilationists who only wanted change.[8]

In 1975, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution that designated Zionism as a "a form of racism and racial discrimination". The resolution was repealed in 1991. Within the context of the Arab–Israeli conflict, Zionism is viewed by critics as a system that fosters apartheid and racism.[





I don't intend to "distract the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment."

I intend to reveal the FACT that most mainstream media, and media outlets are owned and influenced by pro-Zionists

Same goes for US foreign policy.

you would be more accurate to say that this pro-zionist media conglomerate "distracts the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment." distracts you with the external threat of Islamic boogy men.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Shins]
    #14078767 - 03/06/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Ok I got a bit lost, but what exactly is Zap's proof that ALL or the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims, or as he calls them Muzzies, are radicals that want to kill or convert everybody?

For the record I don't think Zap is trolling. I do think he is letting his xenophobia cloud his mind though.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Canis latrans]
    #14078805 - 03/06/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Ok I got a bit lost, but what exactly is Zap's proof that ALL or the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims, or as he calls them Muzzies, are radicals that want to kill or convert everybody?

For the record I don't think Zap is trolling. I do think he is letting his xenophobia cloud his mind though.




There is none because they aren't

He is a Zionist though, just so you know.

He hates Arabs an Muslims because most oppose Zionism and are aware of and reveal/oppose Zionist forces behind western foreign policy. 

He's just like mainstream media, He is pro Zionist Israel, Thus he falsely defames ALL muslims because most are anti-zionist politically, and oppose western occupation and colonialism, which he, and the Zionist media and foreign policy supports.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Shins]
    #14079574 - 03/07/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

> He hates Arabs an Muslims because most oppose Zionism and are aware of and reveal/oppose Zionist forces behind western foreign policy. 

I hate to speak for Zappa, but based upon his posts, your claims are incorrect.  He does not hate arabs and muslims.  He does hate extremists that kill or terrorize non-combatants in the name of their religion.  It happens that Islam, especially in the middle east, has a lot more of these idiots than any other religion or geographic location.  I don't know if he is a "Zionist" or not, but I do know that he has a lot of respect for Israel, an underdog in the region, yet able to hold their own while turning a piece of crap desert into a pretty nice oasis while maintaining a democratic form of government.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14079725 - 03/07/11 06:18 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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TheThinker said:
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Icelander said:
bye  :hi:

Good luck finding your perfect world. :lol:





Perfect world? All I expected was an even playing field. If I have to enter into a drama event every time on a thread then none of you are worth my time.





An even playing field would be a perfect world sonny and drama is a fact of life it seems you are yet to grok in fullness. 

:hi:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Seuss]
    #14080048 - 03/07/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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> He hates Arabs an Muslims because most oppose Zionism and are aware of and reveal/oppose Zionist forces behind western foreign policy. 

I hate to speak for Zappa, but based upon his posts, your claims are incorrect.  He does not hate arabs and muslims.



He may not have directly stated that he hates muslims, but it seems a reasonable inference based on statements like these:

"In the rest of the great wide world there are just as many Muzzies and a lot, hundreds of millions want to put you to the sword.  Good thing they are the most inept jackasses you could ask for in an adversary."

"No, they fucking don't and I'm an atheist.  The only ones who want to chop  my head of for that are Muzzies."

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