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Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience 1
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Hope you all enjoy. 
Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience by c0sm0nautt

In this article I hope to clarify and demystify the out-of-body experience (OBE). Out-of-body experiences are phenomena which have been given many names and attributed many beliefs throughout the centuries, spanning many cultures – think Muhammad’s night journey, shamanic soul flight and contemporary alien abduction phenomena. Although I am not writing this article in a vacuum, I will try hard to put my belief and cultural conditioning on the back burner, in order to view this subject as objective as possible.
Every night when we fall asleep we leave the body. You may have even found yourself jolting awake to this falling sensation. There are numerous other “bodies” our consciousness can occupy – they seem to be separated by vibration, or level of density – the physical body being the densest. These different bodies operate in different locals of the non-physical universe. One local is where most people recall dream experiences. This specific area seems to be almost entirely subjective in nature, meaning what is encountered is projected from your own experience. However, I consider dreams a type of out-of-body experience.
Now I used the word local in the previous paragraph to describe areas of non-physical reality. This is a misnomer. Location is a product of space-time physical reality conditioning. It is more accurate to think of consciousness as a spectrum, which can be freely traversed regardless of space and time. Think of how a light wave can be broken up into different colors displaying a rainbow. Physical reality and a standard dream, for example, would be two colors originating from the same source – your individuated consciousness. More objective areas experienced while out-of-body would be analogous to another color on the spectrum. There is no space, as we think of it in physical reality terms, separating these experiences – just the channel you, as individuated consciousness, are tuned into. Explorer Robert Monroe coined the term “focus” to delineate the different experiences that can be had when ones consciousness is phased, or tuned, to different channels of the consciousness spectrum.
Belief and conditioning are a tricky subject. No one likes to hear that their experiences may be shaped by forces unknown to their conscious mind. We like to think we are seeing the world objectively. Albet Einstein said, “we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” Similarly, it is our conditioned beliefs which have, for the most part, shut us off from nonphysical reality. It is hard to even imagine the out-of-body experience from the contemporary Western perspective. We are born into a culture that treats these experiences with dismissal or ridicule. It is actually quite common for children to have OBEs. Do you remember a childhood experience of flying around your house and neighborhood? “It’s only a dream” your parents told you. For us adults, other than remembering a few jumbled fragments from nightly dreams, most people are completely tuned into channel central – waking reality. Conditioning and belief systems bombard you from the day you are born. They come from religion, culture, the scientific paradigm and everywhere else. There was a time we thought a flat Earth was the center of the Universe. Similarly, we now falsely believe the brain is the sole producer of consciousness in a solely material Universe. Modern science is having trouble reconciling this paradigm with quantum phenomena such as non-locality and wave-particle duality. But I digress, for the physics and metaphysics surrounding out-of-body experiences have little bearing on the actual experience. If you are interested in that subject, I suggest you to check out Thomas Campbell’s My Big TOE (Theory of Everything). For those interested in the experience itself, all one needs to do is open oneself up to the possibility and try it for them self.
There are numerous techniques to achieve an OBE. They all involve a degree of physical relaxation and mental concentration. Both come from practice. The goal of physical relaxation is to get your body to fall asleep, while your mind stays awake.
A simple technique for achieving physical relaxation involves tensing and subsequently relaxing muscle groups of the body. Tense the toes, count five seconds, relax the muscles – feel the relaxation. Work your way up the entire body – toes, feet, calves, thighs, abdomen, arms, chest, neck, face…You get the point. Some people can relax the body by simply bringing awareness to specific parts and making mental commands such as “relax now.” Keeping the mind awake is relatively simple if these exercises are practiced during the day, away from normal sleep cycles.
Now, I can’t stress enough that this sort of thing takes some practice. Could you ride a bike the first shot? I recall some training wheels and a few scraped knees. If you’re in the majority, you’re not familiar with recognizing these in-between states of consciousness. You are familiar with waking up and going to sleep, but not controlling or witnessing the process. After successful physical relaxation you will find your body warm, heavy and stiff. This state of consciousness, mind-awake and body-asleep (also known as the trance state), is your launch pad for an OBE.
Speaking of training wheels, the Monroe Institute offers a series of CDs which utilize a technology call Hemi-Sync (i.e, The Gateway Experience). The CDs, when listened to with headphones, utilize a series of sound frequencies and tones, along with the guiding voice of Robert Monroe, to synchronize the hemispheres of the brain and enter the different focuses of consciousness (such as the trance state).
I will quickly note that some people report entering the “vibrational stage” after attaining the previously described trance state (mind-awake, body-sleep). I’ve had this experience on a few occasions. It can be quite frightening to the uninitiated. The vibrational stage is the feeling of intense energy rushing through your body which may be accompanied by a loud crackling-static sound. Author William Buhlman aptly describes it as your “mind and body in a jet engine.” The vibrations, as part of the natural process, subside quickly. I speculate this phenomenon is caused by the movement of consciousness along the spectrum from the dense physical body to the less dense subtle body. You will recognize this experience if you have it. Try and remain calm and ‘go with it.’ Seasoned explorers welcome this sensation and even find it enjoyable.
After finding yourself in the trance state you are ready to project (OBEs are often referred to as Astral Projection in some literature). Visualization techniques such as imagining yourself floating out of your body, climbing a latter or rolling out of your body work for many people. Experiment with techniques and find what works for you. For those who are not visually inclined, author Robert Bruce in his book Astral Dynamics devised a projection technique involving “tactile imaging”, which essentially uses the sense of touch to aid in initiating the OBE.
The other way to project is to utilize the already sleep-prone body. This is perhaps the ideal method for beginners and those who have trouble relaxing the body during waking hours. I have been most successful with this method. When you wake up in the middle of the night the body is already sleepy and easily moved into the state of deep physical relaxation. Set your alarm clock to wake yourself up approximately four to five hours into your night sleep, after a few REM/dream cycles. Walk around for a few minutes, wash your face – so you don’t fall asleep too quickly. Get back in bed and repeat an affirmation as you fall back asleep to the effect of “Now I am out-of-body” or “I wish to experience an OBE.” Visualize yourself walking around a room in your house – pick a few items in that room and rotate through them to keep your concentration. With a little luck, as you fall back asleep this will initiate the OBE. You may “wake up” quickly after falling asleep and find yourself in the vibrational state, or even slip off into a dream which converts into an OBE (more on this another time). You may simply find yourself already out-of-body in the real time zone (RTZ), the next less dense level after physical reality. Beginning projectors usually find themselves in this focus, the RTZ, which looks nearly identical to their physical house or bedroom, except with notable reality fluctuations.
People who have been plagued with sleep paralysis may have blessing in disguise. Explorer Albert Taylor, in Soul Traveler, describes how he utilized the still sleeping, or sleep paralyzed body, to initiate OBEs. Getting your body into the trance state is essentially getting your body into the sleep paralyzed state – however in the latter the work is done for you!
The experiences reported when out-of-body are remarkable. I cannot even try to cover them all, but here is a little taste. Explorers report communication with deceased loved ones, other intelligent species, spirits etc. What is perceived seems to reflect the beliefs and expectations of the perceiver. Explorers report experiencing and reliving “past” and “future” (another misnomer) lives, and even past and future events from their current physical experience. Explorers report visiting other worlds including what is described as belief territories – heavens and hells which are co-created and sustained by the individuated consciousnesses which inhabit it. You can fly to the moon and any other planet in our solar system. You can even visit friends and family in the physical (reality is not as private as you think!). This is just a taste of what can be experienced. Many experiences go beyond what our human language can convey.
In the previous paragraph I mentioned “belief territories.” This brings up an important idea. While out-of-body thought equals action. This is where the second component comes into play – mental discipline. If your thoughts are out of control while having an OBE, you are not going to have good control over the experience. Meditation in one practice to tame our restless minds. Start with just fifteen to twenty minutes a day, perhaps twice a day if you’re feeling ambitious. Here is a simple meditation technique – repeat a mantra. You can find many online. It doesn’t have to mean anything. Repeat it over and over again, follow your breath. With enough practice you will be able to access a quiet point. Another simple technique is to follow ones breath – count onnnnnnnnnnnnnnneeeeeee during the in-breath and twwwwwwwwwooooo during the out-breath. Count up to ten and repeat. Take deep breaths from your belly. See if you can get to ten without getting distracted.
Lastly, I will touch on one last important point – dream recall. You cannot experience something you do not remember experiencing. If you don’t recall your nightly dreams, you’re not likely to remember a spontaneous OBE during the night. Start a dream journal! This will increase your recall in a short period of time. Go to bed with the intent to remember your night journeys. I use a voice recorder to record my dreams as soon as I wake up, throughout the night. It’s very convenient and you don’t even have to open your eyes. It’s a great feeling to go to bed each night knowing I will have an array of wild experiences. Dreams seem to be the most consistent connection we have to the nonphysical, out of time parts of our self. When we become receptive to our dreams they take on an entirely different nature. It’s such a shame the majority of people are cut off from this source!
So what is all this OBE jazz really about? Well, I see it as the experience of a lifetime. Does this concept not excite you? Does it not bring some magic back into your life? I spent nearly my entire life thinking there was no more frontier left for exploration. How wrong was I! Consciousness itself is the next frontier of exploration. I believe we are moving into a new paradigm here in elementary school-Earth, and exploring the nonphysical aspects of ourselves and the larger reality will be a common part of the future. This type of exploration will lead you to reevaluate all of the core beliefs you have about the human experience and life itself. It will cause you to grow in ways currently unimaginable. It will change how you define and perceive yourself. The experiences are about learning to diffuse fear with experience, with knowledge. Learning how to love yourself and those around you. It’s all about growth, which I believe the human experience is ultimately about. Picture Earth as a school for individuated consciousness. It’s a tough school, don’t get me wrong.
I don’t want people to think I am portraying out-of-body experience as the only way or the true way to experience what I have been terming non-physical reality. There are other systems which work. Author Robert Moss utilizes a method which he calls “conscious dreaming”, which is essentially relaxing the body and using shamanic drumming to quiet the mind and re-enter dreams. It’s all slightly different methods which produce the same effect. I do, however, find the contemporary OBE paradigm as the most easily assimilated and understood by a contemporary Western audience. It is free of many of the belief complexes which have shaped the experiences of past systems – such as tantric meditation and shamanic systems. Whatever method suits your needs, try and keep an open mind.
This article can only scratch the surface of what the out-of-body experience is all about. I hope to have incited some curiosity causing you to pursue this subject further. It is important to understand that the map is not the territory. You can read about these experiences all day and night, but ultimately you need to experience them yourself and form your own opinions – explore the territory. Maps can be helpful, and the following authors have been invaluable in my own journey: Robert Monroe (Journey series of books), William Buhlman (Adventures Beyond the Body), Robert Moss (Dreamgates), Jane Roberts (Seth Speaks), Robert Bruce (Astral Dynamics), Albert Taylor (Soul Traveler) and Thomas Campbell (My Big TOE).
Godspeed – Hope to see you on the other side.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said: I will try hard to put my belief and cultural conditioning on the back burner, in order to view this subject as objective as possible.
Every night when we fall asleep we leave the body. You may have even found yourself jolting awake to this falling sensation. There are numerous other “bodies” our consciousness can occupy
Ok...I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. But this doesn't seem that objective to me. Do you deny that it is possible that everything you've experienced are states of brain activity?
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Interesting article. Have you been able to have an OBE yet? If so, I would like to hear a "trip report". How much practice and time did it take?
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: Sleepwalker]
#14075268 - 03/06/11 11:52 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I haven't read all of this yet, but I will soon.
I just wanted to state that many of my dreams have been of me coming out of my body, and seeing my sleeping body, then i go out and do thangs. 
Sometimes my dream body will go to sleep and dream another dream..
So who knows.. I wouldn't be surprised if our 'physical body' is just another dream-body being dreamed of right now.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14075320 - 03/06/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Awesome article and a good read. 
I'm currently in the process of trying to have an OBE, and have been practising some of the methods that you mentioned in your article for a while now.
But besides that, your article is very comprehensive for the amount you covered of such a huge subject in one article. Great work.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: Sleepwalker]
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c0sm0nautt said: I will try hard to put my belief and cultural conditioning on the back burner, in order to view this subject as objective as possible.
Every night when we fall asleep we leave the body. You may have even found yourself jolting awake to this falling sensation. There are numerous other “bodies” our consciousness can occupy
Ok...I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. But this doesn't seem that objective to me. Do you deny that it is possible that everything you've experienced are states of brain activity?
This is the big question. I will point to the numerous authors who have visited certain people/places in physical reality and then verified the event (such as what a person was doing at a specific time) with the person at a later time. (<-- Monroe records a few such events in his first book, Journeys Out of the Body)
The only way to prove this would to be to have an OBE and attempt verify it for yourself. Ultimately it has to be subjectively verified. I was in a neighbors house during one experience, but haven't had the courage to ask them if I could take a look around. I hope to get undeniable proof for myself some day - hanging around near the physical is just so boring though. In another experience I found myself in an area unknown to me at the time, but ended up being the local of a future job.
Try the techniques! Let me know if it's all brain activity or something more to you.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: I AM SWIM]
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I AM SWIM said: So who knows.. I wouldn't be surprised if our 'physical body' is just another dream-body being dreamed of right now.
That's the idea. Some recent quantum theories have us living in a holographic universe.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14078581 - 03/06/11 10:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice article man, enjoyed reading it very much Personally i have yet to experience OBE, but its not a current goal of mine, im trying to master my physical energy first so the OBE experience when it comes will be that much better.
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#14079325 - 03/07/11 01:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck, I have to start practicing this stuff. It sounds way far out dude.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: Joolz]
#14079472 - 03/07/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The out-of-body-experience and it's absolute absurdity is sign, I think, that we have no clue what's really going on in this reality.
I thought I could paint over it all by almost using dogmatic phrases, like, "we are God" and "it's all in the mind", but those are really just the beginning... To know you are God is just the beginning of another, deeper, more elite, mystery... and these phrases/ideas also say very little when you think about it.
Those experiences put omnipotence, omniscience and the Creative Principle in your hands, and at the same time put you in strangely beautiful environments. Sometimes you get hurt, sometimes you don't, sometimes you go through the wall, sometimes you don't, sometimes OBEs are like waking from a dream and you wonder which side of the coin you're supposed to be on.
It makes it patently obvious that our task here, as explorers, as spiritualists, is to completely live free of illusions in the present moment, in Now, in Reality. The OBE is no dream, the thing that comes out of the body, is in the body right now, you are it.
The strange healing sensations I used to only feel in OBEs or states of sleep paralysis have now spilt over into waking life. I feel how I feel out of the body, while now in the body, and my organism is beginning to harness its power. The two realms are one. It is no product of the dreaming mind. The dreaming mind is one and the same as the mind reading this. Merely realise, and while you're at it, try to see it is all the same moment.
Do you see what I'm trying to say? This is an utter, sublime mystery, there is no mundane world. Only we are disenchanted. The correct language, in this world, is to say someone has put a spell on us.
I'm now beginning to think not in terms of philosophical outlooks or language, but in terms of energy levels. Your vibrational rate determines everything - what you think, feel, see, what you encounter... you are a system of energy, and we are in an age of chaos. You have to get out of the inane paradigm we're using at the moment that is keeping us at a very low vibrational rate. We see and experience nothing.
Use your conscious intent - have the pure fixed intention - of experiencing more, and tell yourself you want a pure mind, you want to run away as fast as you can from the crazed herd out there, and know only Reality - not some physical law system, not some projection of the mind of God, but insight, any insight, into the question "What the fuck is going on?!"
We can get content in this reality. Our brains, even, will help us do this. Dreams and OBEs are forgotten, I think, because the brain wants to 'protect' against certain types of information. It picks up, that if you're constantly in a low vibrational state, that you must simply want to survive. So it makes you survive and shuts down the higher cognitive processes until you make a move.
Once you have seen that place beyond, either on mushrooms while awake or in the OBE or whatever your weapon of choice, how could you ever refuse to go back? We must return, and we must go deeper, if not because it is our innate calling then because we're heading there anyway after the body expires. That is, after death, life only goes deeper.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Great article! Overall seems like a sound introductory tutorial for those interested in having an OBE. I do, of course, have qualms with the single sentence "we now falsely believe the brain is the sole producer of consciousness in a solely material Universe" since IMO the falsity of that belief is still open for debate but regardless of the how, the techniques still work!
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circastes said: The out-of-body-experience and it's absolute absurdity is sign, I think, that we have no clue what's really going on in this reality.
I thought I could paint over it all by almost using dogmatic phrases, like, "we are God" and "it's all in the mind", but those are really just the beginning... To know you are God is just the beginning of another, deeper, more elite, mystery... and these phrases/ideas also say very little when you think about it.
How true this is. It's like we are toddlers who have discovered the front door to our house that leads to the outside world. So many questions. We are living in exciting times. 
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deCypher said: Great article! Overall seems like a sound introductory tutorial for those interested in having an OBE. I do, of course, have qualms with the single sentence "we now falsely believe the brain is the sole producer of consciousness in a solely material Universe" since IMO the falsity of that belief is still open for debate but regardless of the how, the techniques still work! 
Fair enough. If I ever can consistently get out-of-body you will be one of the first I visit hehe
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Wonderful article. At this time i'm trying to initiate an OBE or even just start lucid dreaming myself, and it's quite a challenge, but i'm determined.
Today i was meditating, just relaxing and healing myself (I've recently been a bit stessed after flipping my car and ripping off two nails, i was lucky tho) by visualizing green blue light around me, and i think i entered the trance state, I began to feel subtle vibrations throughout my body and i tried to amplify them but ended up waking up. Is it possible to enter the vibrational state through meditation?
Also, I've read in several places that weed can be potentially bad in a situation like this. I've heard it decreases dream recall, but is this true? i have plenty of friends who smoke and dream, so what are your thoughts on this?
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Studies have shown that THC tends to decrease the duration of SWS (Slow Wave Sleep) and REM (Rapid Eye-Movement) cycles.
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I've heard of numerous people initiating OBEs through meditation.
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I can only speak for myself, but weed always acted as a dream killer for me. I would never remember a single dream after nights that I smoked. Drugs effect everyone different though - Smoking weed always drained me and gave me serious headfucks.
I just came across this gem of a Lucid Dreaming book.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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My own experience also confirms the statistical data - weed kills dreams. It is also true that upon quiting weed your dreams are hyper vivid and intense. I've been out of the habit of smoking for a good 10 months now and am thoroughly enjoying my dreams
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Quitting weed after toking everyday for a long time,brings up some extremely vivid dreams. Same thing can happen if you leave a nicotine patch overnight There are many types of OBE`s.Depends on the vibe you tune in,and how much you operate from the subconciousness or from TRUE conciousness. You can project in the inner mind,on the mental level,you can project in astral world of symbols,for example the Golden Dawn tattva symbol scrying/travelling ritual,where you enter the astral realm of all basic elements of nature. You can enter the spirit world,or in contact with Gaia. You can have loads and loads of fun with your own imagination(check alice in wonderland effect).Tune in with higher dimensions,possibilities are endless. Also you can project into and out from chakras. Damn astral projection is damn fun.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14229998 - 04/03/11 06:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice article cosmo! 
i especially liked your light analogy and your description of the different planes of consciousness.
i dont really know if it should be called 'out of body' tho because as you kinda described we are never really 'in body', we just have that particular waking awareness where it seems that way.
(btw u r banned from playing future mafia games coz this would be a totally unfair advantage...)
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#15156613 - 09/30/11 05:06 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have been researching about OBEs lately along with their interrealtionship with other 'nonordinary' phenomena, including psychedelic experience, and hence I found this great thread:
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There are numerous techniques to achieve an OBE. They all involve a degree of physical relaxation and mental concentration. Both come from practice. The goal of physical relaxation is to get your body to fall asleep, while your mind stays awake.
Now this may be so, but I have had two OBEs in my life (more if dreaming is supposed to be some forms of OBE), one being incredibly powerful, and in both experiences there was no noticeable practice beforehand, however this happened after I had gotten Robert Monroes book Journeys Out of the Body from a library, and must have tried some of his techniques one of which--as I remember--was to be aware of the vibratory state inbetwixt being awake and just falling asleep. But I really was not doing all that in the two occasions I experienced being out of the body, and there was no flaoting above my body neither which some people often report. I rather got up, not realizing i was 'out' until I saw my sleeping body on bed!
Now, this was many years ago, and I have not had THOSE types of OBEs again. I am lately tempted to buy Monroe's book to remind me of it. I DO remember that in his techniques he advises that the sleeping head be in the direction of magnetic North, and in that period it was! I would like to look more into that.
I also dont want to underestimate DREAMS. I have had very profound dreams. Here is one---I had a combined sex addiction and cannabis habit that was making me ill. A friend I know was a girl who was VERY hedonistic and always wanted a spliff, any excuse--making cups of tea, etc so as to have excuse to roll up.
Well this dream had her at the other end of the bed, ie/. sleeping in opposite direction and she passed me this little book (a journal I owned). When I woke up, I looked for the journal and just opened randomly at a page and in block letters I had written "REEFER MADNESS"...LOL
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: zzripz]
#15158870 - 09/30/11 04:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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zzripz said: But I really was not doing all that in the two occasions I experienced being out of the body, and there was no flaoting above my body neither which some people often report. I rather got up, not realizing i was 'out' until I saw my sleeping body on bed!
Some people bypass all the floating stuff altogether and use a technique called "phasing." You literally transport into a dream scene from a waking state - after relaxing the body and focusing the mind on the intention to enter a specific location (old dreams work well). I think a lot of the weird sensations we experience are from conditioning and expectation - thinking that we are literally coming out of our body. This is a misnomer IMO. We are getting into our consciousness, not going out of our body.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15159294 - 09/30/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you really think? I've felt literally out of the body, in another kind of body. A few times I've seen my physical body from outside of it.
And yet other times there is no way I could see or even comprehend of there being a body, it was like I was simply in another dimension.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: circastes]
#15159369 - 09/30/11 06:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, I've had both types of experiences. I was definitely expecting to come out of my body due to my reading of Buhlman and Monroe. A lot more study needs to go into this subject. All I know from my personal experiences is that you don't need to go through the motions of a classic OBE - there are shortcuts.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15161007 - 10/01/11 02:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago) |
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zzripz said: But I really was not doing all that in the two occasions I experienced being out of the body, and there was no flaoting above my body neither which some people often report. I rather got up, not realizing i was 'out' until I saw my sleeping body on bed!
Some people bypass all the floating stuff altogether and use a technique called "phasing." You literally transport into a dream scene from a waking state - after relaxing the body and focusing the mind on the intention to enter a specific location (old dreams work well). I think a lot of the weird sensations we experience are from conditioning and expectation - thinking that we are literally coming out of our body. This is a misnomer IMO. We are getting into our consciousness, not going out of our body.
Although that sounds quite interesting, my questioning mind is wondering so what then is consciousness, so what then is the 'body', because I am very aware and am telling lots of people this (lol), that science does not know what consciousness is nor what matter is. So there we are, we don't know! The measuring mind as represented by modern science does not know these questions.
So if I say I am out of my body, and I am getting into consciousness, really could just be poetic gestures for descibing the indescribable. I KNOW, subjectively, that my OBEs were not like how I usually dream where scenes morph into each other. Even though weird stuff was going on, the fixtures and fittings around me more or less stayed the same, and I dived into my body and was conscious throughout the 're-emergence'.
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15166789 - 10/02/11 12:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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dope read cosmonaut 
i still hope to create a shroomery S&M astral world one day ...this inspired me to practice more
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Re: Demystifying the Out-of-body Experience [Re: c0sm0nautt] 1
#15167298 - 10/02/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said: Yea, I've had both types of experiences. I was definitely expecting to come out of my body due to my reading of Buhlman and Monroe. A lot more study needs to go into this subject. All I know from my personal experiences is that you don't need to go through the motions of a classic OBE - there are shortcuts. 
Ya like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_tank
It's basically just a place to park your body while you go exploring.
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