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snoot said: I was pricing things out before I knew the specs to bf3, but it seems totally doable for roughly 5-600$ not including mouse/key/monitor.
AMD HD6790 Card for $135
Nvidia 550Ti Card for $135
Total cost for quad-core system would be $485.
Total cost for the six-core system would be $504.
sorry to reply so much. ok $484 or $504?? but including peripherals speakers, hd monitor etc, plus windows, $600-$700??
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to be honest with you ive used both and I like amd better true years ago they werent the best but pretty much all chips are made the same now.
I see intel and dell as just over priced 
You can not switch out intel or Amd chips its one or the other bro.
Amd + Ati raddon ftw imo
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: trekie]
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trekie said: to be honest with you ive used both and I like amd better true years ago they werent the best but pretty much all chips are made the same now.
I see intel and dell as just over priced 
You can not switch out intel or Amd chips its one or the other bro.
Amd + Ati raddon ftw imo
alright, then I'll go with my first build suggestion, it might cost a bit more, but I like the asus board I chose. then again it only has one pciex16 slot, but I don't have the money right now to buy that. I'll just leave the options there, and if I want to go back and fetch it later I will. Also, if I find a better deal later, I'll take it.
yeah, intel is always nice, but jesus they've done everything them and dell and hp for a gazillion years. amd isn't so bad these days, and radeon doesn't suck now either, so it only does dx10 for most cards, cmon it's a slight difference 
the way these gaming computers are priced, I could buy that bundle you suggested, and then if I couldn't buy the nvidia I could come back and buy it later, those mobo's have good built in gpu's anyway. so really, I could game at half pace, then come back and buy the better graphics card anyhow. Can't wait til late October. how bad does battlefield 3 run on the 360 anyway?
lotz of peoplez bitch about the 360, but jesus it does for me what my old ps2 and n64 and super nes never could. it's not bad, it works if you want to know what the game is like, and if that doesn't work, then later you can buy the asus board and put nvidia gforce and put a triple or six core cpu in, 12 gigs ram, w/e make it a business pro computer from hell but you won't ever use it for remote server log in, just to play crysis and far cry
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Intel is not an OEM computer manufacturer. While Dell and other OEM box companies are usually overpriced, this has nothing to do with Intel. Intel is more expensive because they are the industry leader and have greater R&D capacity. Stuff like those super-power-saving Atom processors and the processors in your modern smart phones exist because Intel designed them. AMD follows suit and attempts to imitate Intel on a budget.
Intel developed developed Sandy Bridge processor architecture, and you currently cannot buy any other 32nm processors for your desktops. AMD's version is expected in lat 2011- they're about a year behind Intel. Anything else you buy is going to be previous-generation tech in less than a year. Intel is getting ready to release Ivy bridge, the Sandy bridge in 22nm.
32 kB data + 32 kB instruction L1 cache (3 clocks) and 256 kB L2 cache (8 clocks) per core Shared L3 cache includes the processor graphics (LGA 1155) 64-byte cache line size Two load/store operations per cycle for each memory channel Decoded micro-op cache and enlarged, optimized branch predictor Improved performance for transcendental mathematics, AES encryption, and SHA-1 hashing
It's about efficiency. I would take a 2.4ghz Sandy bridge over a 3.0ghz older architecture any day (coming from someone who has installed and used to comparable systems- the i series chips are notably faster at the same ghz and perform several % above on tessellation and particle benchmarks because of their improved memory access design.
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Buying a card that isn't DX11 right now for anything but a steal is not a good idea either. They're coming down in price right now, too. Loads of new games will be using DX11 and trust me, the effects are worth it.
This page might give you a better idea of what I am talking about:
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
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I know how great intel is. I had two uncles that worked there are vice presidents. Jim Russell and Dan Russell.
you never hear of intel breaking right? windows breaks. or the drivers aren't included in the manufacturers web site. but intels web site? no I mean in the web site of whatever board the chips are installed on. asus, dell, hp, etc. well I'll wait then. for the price to come down. now what I'm asking here is, what are the chances battlefield 3 will come out for wine in linux with dx11 capabilities? zero??
How well will this game handle on 360? if it handles as well as crysis 2 or far cry 2, I'll just buy it for 360. a lot of people bitch about 360, but for $150, it's a pretty high tech system. shit, a smart phone costs more and does less. well, a smart phone will have apps up the ying yang and internet search engine, email, etc. but still I'm just saying a 360 isn't badly priced and it's only slightly behind technology, it runs things fairly well and people who say otherwise have never connected it with an hd cable in which it runs games twice as well. dx9 on xbox 360 with an hd cable will EASILY look like dx10
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blujay said: AMD follows suit and attempts to imitate Intel on a budget.
AMD was the first to include the memory controller on the actual CPU. AMD was the first to make a real dual core and quad core CPU instead of stacking old CPU dies onto another die and calling it a dual/quad core like Intel did.
AMD's APU's GPU (6530/6550) chip beats the Intel HD 3000 APU's GPU easily.
So how is AMD imitating Intel?
AMD is still the best price per performance buy out there.
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blujay said: AMD follows suit and attempts to imitate Intel on a budget.
AMD was the first to include the memory controller on the actual CPU. AMD was the first to make a real dual core and quad core CPU instead of stacking old CPU dies onto another die and calling it a dual/quad core like Intel did.
AMD's APU's GPU (6530/6550) chip beats the Intel HD 3000 APU's GPU easily.
So how is AMD imitating Intel?
AMD is still the best price per performance buy out there.
At the time, the method of creating dual-cores by stacking dies was revolutionary. They're essentially doing the same exact thing today but with proprietary sets designed specifically to function that way.
Both companies steal designs by reverse engineering. Of course, it's a highly competitive ultra-lucrative ultra-specialized fully R&D situation.
Also, comparing the 6550 to an Intel HD3k series card is obtuse because the HD3k is an integrated solution without any dedicated memory. You're practically comparing a bike to a motorcycle there.
AMD is NOT the best price-performance when you actually look at the industry and how software is optimized to be efficient on intel's L3 cache structure.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
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They've basically swapped places from the P4 days when AMD was way ahead of the game with their Athlon series processors. Intel didn't have anything (cough, Core2) for several years that could compete, so they started pushing the Ghz of their Pentium chips way out the roof to make it seem the then-outdated Pentium chips were competitive with the Athlon series.
Now, AMD has nothing that can even begin to compete with Sandy Bridge processors so they're inflating the numbers the best they can to make it seem like what you're getting isn't a design structure that dates back to 2005.
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blujay said: Also, comparing the 6550 to an Intel HD3k series card is obtuse because the HD3k is an integrated solution without any dedicated memory. You're practically comparing a bike to a motorcycle there.
The 6550 I was referring to is an integrated chip without dedicated memory. This is the CPU I was talking about. The HD6550D is integrated into the CPU. It is the equivalent of the Intel HD3000 in the Saqndybridge CPUs.
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blujay said: Now, AMD has nothing that can even begin to compete with Sandy Bridge processors so they're inflating the numbers the best they can to make it seem like what you're getting isn't a design structure that dates back to 2005.
This review and this review shows how AMD has the upper hand in the video department while Intel has the upper hand in the CPU department. AMD has a big something over Intel. That is the ability to make decent graphic solutions while Intel is still struggling to make a decent IGP solution.
My AMD quad-core has never met any software that it couldn't handle. I'm glad I saved $400 over buying an Intel.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: JT]
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JT said: 64 player multi is the only way its worth that money. Plus, the console graphics blow in comparison to the pc. BC2 couldn't hold my inte rest at all sober on the 360.
And the graphics look great in the official trailers, but watch any real gameplay on the consoles and it's no better than MW2. Just snazzy marketing.
PC master-race! The PC version will have: 64 players as opposed to the measly 24 on the console WAY better graphics And the maps are actually bigger too, I read it in a G4 article.
If anyone needs advice on building a PC feel free to PM me. Though this Newegg 3 part series will tell you mostly everything you need to know.
This game is SSSSOOOO beautiful! What kind of GPU do you think it will take to max this game out? I'm seriously thinking about getting a new GPU just for this game. Right now I have an HD 5750, it will be able to play it on at least medium-high settings I bet.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: gref]
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: gref]
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
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well the wii sucks balls, that's for sure. but cmon what is up with people hating the 360 and ps3, lol in 2003 we had freakin red faction 2. I mean these gpu's now in the 360 and ps3 can entirely RIP on the old technology
though. at least the ps3 and 360 are good cars on fire, looks like shit got fucked up in multiplayer that wii though not a big boy toy at all huh?
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imachavel said: well the wii sucks balls, that's for sure. but cmon what is up with people hating the 360 and ps3, lol in 2003 we had freakin red faction 2. I mean these gpu's now in the 360 and ps3 can entirely RIP on the old technology
though. at least the ps3 and 360 are good cars on fire, looks like shit got fucked up in multiplayer that wii though not a big boy toy at all huh?
Yeah I understand what you're saying, the 360 and PS3 were top notch when they came out but their hardware is outdated now.
I only partially agree with that picture I posted.
PC: yep agree, PC's are boss.
PS3: not so much, I wouldn't make it a hummer, but I wouldn't make it look non-functional either. The PS3 is a decent system and hasn't had much problems. Though I felt like they really skimmed the systems specs when making it: 256 Mb of RAM, then only a 128 Mb video card. It surprises me that he PS3 keeps up with the 360 which has a 512 Mb GPU and 512 Mb of RAM. On another note, I really respect how the online gaming is free on the PS3.
360: Totally agree, it's a pretty good system, but that RROD shit is totally out of hand. Get this, 360's have a 3 year warranty, mine RROD'd exactly 1 fucking month after the 3 year warranty expired. It's like they planned that shit out, they wanted 100$ to fix it and I said fuck that. I look at my Xbox like someone I used to date
Wii: I laugh at it's system specs, but for it's original price compared to say the 360's or PS3's original price you can't complain. The Wii could have been a success but it seems like Dev's either didn't know what to do with their motion controls or just didn't want to; they have no games! I also laugh at Nentindo's idea of success. They were very successful in sales yes, but I've never met anyone that owns a Wii and actually plays it, they usually have a 360 or PS3 that they play while the Wii is neglected.
LOL I probably just started a console war.  ANYWAYS, back to the original topic.
BF3
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This game is SSSSOOOO beautiful! What kind of GPU do you think it will take to max this game out? I'm seriously thinking about getting a new GPU just for this game. Right now I have an HD 5750, it will be able to play it on at least medium-high settings I bet.
Anyone have anything to say about my original question?
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: gref]
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HD 6850 or higher Im guessing for pure max your gonna need dual cards.
You can get a 6870 for just over 200 now im picking mine up and a new power supply to go with it tomorrow.
Check yours your gonna need at least 400-500 watt to pull what you need for BF3 on mid to high settings.
Im gonna need to pick up a case fan too 
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: trekie]
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Anyone have anything to say about my original question?
we will have to see what their req's are for the ULTRA setting, or what it even means.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
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the wii does everything even tho its jus a SNES with some updated add-ons.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: trekie]
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You'll love that card, great performance, everything that is out now can be maxed with it.
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EA execs shit talking the modern warfare 3 team.
Electronic Arts has been hurling insults at Activision for months, as it seeks to sell copies of forthcoming shooter Battlefield 3 and take share from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3. The war of words hasn't all been one-sided. Around E3 time Activision boss Bobby Kotick cast negative comments at Battlefield 3's console versions. More recently, Bobby's second-in-command Eric Hirshberg said EA's verbal assault is "bad for our industry", specifically slamming EA's management for stating that Call of Duty should "rot from the core". Now, EA has ramped up the pressure. The company's chief spokesman Jeff Brown used trade site IndustryGamers to toss some abuse at Hirshberg. he said, "Welcome to the big leagues Eric. I know you're new in the job but someone should have told you this is an competitive industry. "You've got every reason to be nervous. Last year Activision had a 90 share in the shooter category. This year, Battlefield 3 is going to take you down to 60 or 70. At that rate, you'll be out of the category in 2-3 years. If you don't believe me, go to the store and try to buy a copy of Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk." http://pc.ign.com/articles/118/1189391p1.html
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