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well no doubt, I dont at all expect the graphics to look as sexy as that at all on a console. But console games arent all about snazzy graphics, the gameplay will be fun, and more refined. If you already love battlefield games I'm only assuming this one will be fun to play. I loved bc2 and this looks just as much fun. So long as the gameplay is more fluid and the maps are fun I cant expect to have much to complain about.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14959068 - 08/21/11 11:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Consoles limited by hardware.
BC2 was built for consoles. That is why it was a good PC game but not a great one. DICE stated that BF3 was a gift back to the loyal PC gamers. Thus, it would naturally be better on PC than console. It should scale down well for consoles though. The XBOX360 and PS3 are powerful machines in their own ways.
I just hope my PC can play it on medium settings.
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BlimeyGrimey said: Consoles limited by hardware.
BC2 was built for consoles. That is why it was a good PC game but not a great one. DICE stated that BF3 was a gift back to the loyal PC gamers. Thus, it would naturally be better on PC than console. It should scale down well for consoles though. The XBOX360 and PS3 are powerful machines in their own ways.
I just hope my PC can play it on medium settings.
yes its a pc game ported to consoles, but I'm sure it wont suck.
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What do ppl expect? The 360 is a locked down 6+ year old computer. Its very much struggling w the new games.
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BlimeyGrimey said: Consoles limited by hardware.
BC2 was built for consoles. That is why it was a good PC game but not a great one. DICE stated that BF3 was a gift back to the loyal PC gamers. Thus, it would naturally be better on PC than console. It should scale down well for consoles though. The XBOX360 and PS3 are powerful machines in their own ways.
I just hope my PC can play it on medium settings.
of course they are. the xbox 360 can process 500,000,000 textels per second. is that not MAJ ORLY powerful compared to like the ps1? or the super nes with a 24 bit processing bus??
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
#14959749 - 08/22/11 06:25 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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blujay said: 1.) Not including any peripherals or a graphics card is a bad representation of the admittedly premium entry price for PC gaming.
2.) While perfectly doable (impressive style) for under $900 buying AMD... yeah.
3.) 129$ PSU. Really? It's the backbone of the computer- but a 70$ 500W Thermaltake is just as reliable.
3.) Spending almost $200 on a 6-core Phenom-generation processor is a bad idea.
Why? Because most software is just now beginning to support dual core. Adoption trending for quad-core processors is fairly low, so you'll likely never see graphics software outside of the demoscene that actually takes advantage of the extra cores.
The new intel line is about to come down in price. The amount of money you save by buying the product form the guys running in second place isn't worth sheer reliability of a paired Intel mobo&proc. It's damn near a guarantee you will not have any problems other than an immediate RMA faults. Lots of my friends have cut corners while building rigs only to have them fail left and right or run into game-crippling driver issues they got to wait weeks to have patched.
There's more to a processor than it's ghz, core #, and socket type. The actual architecture redesign of the new intel processors vastly improves caching efficiency. A 3.0ghz Sandy bridge generation processor will blow any of it's predecessors out of the water.
Coming from someone who has built and benchmarked two perfect comparison systems, one from the "last generation" and another for "the next". One with Core2Duo 3.2Ghz vs a 3.0+(?)Ghz i5 both with matching GTX-460 Nvidea cards.
PC gaming is one category where name brand is really worth the extra ~$20 here and there.
well we all make mistakes 
of course an intel processor won't work in that board anyway, that's why I chose amd. I'm not a big fan of amd myself. but that is a good mobo. anyway, build me a pc, I don't have the $600 on me right now. but come up with a listing when the intel price drops, help me assemble it. your corrections have been dually noted. nobody is perfect
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
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wait I see what you are saying, the peripherals for the graphics card aren't included. my mistake, either that motherboard has an onboard gpu, or I made a mistake and forgot to post the graphics card peripherals, I had the link, and failed to post it. I just saw that, at first I was like "wtf"
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The peripheral are the keyboard, mouse, monitor, and speakers, and to be fair you did mention that lots of PC users already have these, of course.
For GFX I'm Nvidea loyal after having lots of difficulter witht he old ATi 9x series cards, and because Nvidea's product notation is neat-o-ier and because it's the way it's meant to be played. LOL
So I would save money by buying ATI if I was dirt brok or building on a budget ground-up. But I wouldn't go AMD for the processor. I'm not saying you can't, lots of AMD processor based computers are way more BA than this one, just that personally I wouldn't; cuz intel'.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
#14960121 - 08/22/11 09:16 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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I hear that. I just found all those specs to be a bargain, but to be consistent with facts, that mobo won't support anything but an amd processor. I looked for intel, but that socket won't support it, if you notice, the socket is am3, which doesn't leave much in the way of adding anything to it since it's not basic enough to match up to a socket number. of course it is basic enough, but they list it that way because they have a contract with amd or some crap like that.
so let's get to building this gaming computer, can we keep it under $1000 with all the peripherals? I understand most people don't want to game on linux, they want win7, which is a price and a half, that's $250 of your budget so far. But we don't know if wine will support battlefield 3 yet. I want to give people something to work with here, to celebrate battlefield 3.
give me a decent mobo and cpu to work with, and list a good nvidia card, I can assemble the rest. I've determined I don't have the $584 right now, less the $1000 it'll cost if I install windows, but when I get that dough, I'll refer back to this thread. I'm willing to work with better stuff if it's only slightly more expensive, so go for it!
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You don't need to pay for windows, so don't worry about that(unless you are against torrenting) What is your exact budget?
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imachavel said: I hear that. I just found all those specs to be a bargain, but to be consistent with facts, that mobo won't support anything but an amd processor. I looked for intel, but that socket won't support it, if you notice, the socket is am3, which doesn't leave much in the way of adding anything to it since it's not basic enough to match up to a socket number. of course it is basic enough, but they list it that way because they have a contract with amd or some crap like that.
so let's get to building this gaming computer, can we keep it under $1000 with all the peripherals? I understand most people don't want to game on linux, they want win7, which is a price and a half, that's $250 of your budget so far. But we don't know if wine will support battlefield 3 yet. I want to give people something to work with here, to celebrate battlefield 3.
give me a decent mobo and cpu to work with, and list a good nvidia card, I can assemble the rest. I've determined I don't have the $584 right now, less the $1000 it'll cost if I install windows, but when I get that dough, I'll refer back to this thread. I'm willing to work with better stuff if it's only slightly more expensive, so go for it!
I'll do an example list off newegg later tonight perhaps, I have way too much homework *poof*
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
#14961498 - 08/22/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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imachavel said: I hear that. I just found all those specs to be a bargain, but to be consistent with facts, that mobo won't support anything but an amd processor. I looked for intel, but that socket won't support it, if you notice, the socket is am3, which doesn't leave much in the way of adding anything to it since it's not basic enough to match up to a socket number. of course it is basic enough, but they list it that way because they have a contract with amd or some crap like that.
so let's get to building this gaming computer, can we keep it under $1000 with all the peripherals? I understand most people don't want to game on linux, they want win7, which is a price and a half, that's $250 of your budget so far. But we don't know if wine will support battlefield 3 yet. I want to give people something to work with here, to celebrate battlefield 3.
give me a decent mobo and cpu to work with, and list a good nvidia card, I can assemble the rest. I've determined I don't have the $584 right now, less the $1000 it'll cost if I install windows, but when I get that dough, I'll refer back to this thread. I'm willing to work with better stuff if it's only slightly more expensive, so go for it!
I'll do an example list off newegg later tonight perhaps, I have way too much homework *poof*
ok awesome. let's hit up newegg, but let's be honest, http://www.heartlandcomputers.com/products/Asus-M4A78LT%252dM-motherboard-AM3-760G-4xDDR3-6xSATA-DVI-PCIEx16-GbE-Micro-ATX.html is a cheap motherboard with some good specs for $81, aside from only being able to use an amd processor, what else is not to like? also it includes a pretty good gpu already. but sure if we can do better let's newegg it.
in reply to love2shpongle, I will never torrent windows ever again because of the issues with online activation keys and cracking. it's a pain. I am currently trying to active a windows xp home oem on the phone. why oem? because this is a dell, it has an activation key next to a bar code. so I'll just tell them the windows disk that came with the pc can't be activated online because the key code won't work online. they should give me a new key since I installed oem torrent, as long as I tell them that it really IS the oem disk, and not a torrent. thanks though, but I've over windows
if I ever need to set up a network and buying windows for dozens of pc's is less then 10% of my budget, I'll go with it, but for now I have windows 7 torrented and ubuntu. linux is awesome btw, and wine can run quite a few games. so I'm good for now.
and I don't have the $584 budget right now, so I won't be assembling the computer, but for all the battlefield fanatics I thought we could create a descent gaming machine including peripherals and os with new egg, the asus mobo seems to be restricted to certain components, so bluejay will help that out tonight with newegg. I know this battlefield 3 is going to just stomp on what we know of games so far. if you don't want to go console, ask bluejay for some newegg advice and hopefully we can help people build/rebuild a good pc for all gaming needs
why pay 2 grand for a gaming pc when you can newegg it for under a grand, I'm SURE it's doable. It's that windows 7 with dx11 that is expensive.
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You should look at Amd mother bored bundles I got a 1090T and and MSI bored 890 bored for under 200.
Mirco center and newegg have great bundle deals. 
Just spend the extra 40 and get it bundle it will save you in the long run,
just buy a copy of windows oem for 110 from new egg its worth it and easy to install
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: trekie]
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I was pricing things out before I knew the specs to bf3, but it seems totally doable for roughly 5-600$ not including mouse/key/monitor.
I'm looking to replace my production laptop with a desktop, maybe you guys could help me figure out what to get. I don't know alot about gpu's and cpu's but naturally things I can say is I would like to have roughly 8gb ram, dual or quad core, dx11 or 10 not sure, the only game I would be playing would be bf3, maybe some other things I've never really gamed on pc all that much, possibly due to hardware limitations. I use a i7 right now with a geforce 310m and 8gb ram, its nice for what I do, photoshopping/illustrating, some 3d. I would like to keep things around 500$ or 600$ I guess.
So we have something to work with, a couple blogs have made fairly educated guesses as to what the req's will be. Battelfield has announced it will have a min, normal, max, and ULTRA settings, here are some estimated min settings;
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Minimum System Requirements Processor: Dual Core Memory: 2 GB Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version Video Memory: 256 MB Sound Card: DirectX Compatible DirectX: 10 Keyboard and Mouse DVD Rom Drive
Recommended System Requirements Processor: Quadcore Processor Memory: 4 GB Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version Video Memory: 512 MB Sound Card: DirectX Compatible DirectX: 11 Keyboard and Mouse DVD Rom Drive
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* Hard Drive Space: 15 GB for disc version or 10 GB for digital version * OS: Windows 7 64-bit * Processor: Quad-core Intel or AMD CPURAM 4GB * Video Card: DirectX 11 Nvidia or AMD ATI card, GeForce GTX 460, Radeon Radeon HD 6850
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14963332 - 08/22/11 10:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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the wii u that's coming out goes up to directX 10 and raedon hd 4890 (with a r770 chip that was released three years ago in a card that was fabricated 15 nm bigger then the 40 nm that are being recommended here Xd)
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: Konyap]
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man im goin to look like a fucking asshole asking my parents for money next year during my birthday
fucking what are you buying a computer/??
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14963833 - 08/23/11 12:59 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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snoot said: I was pricing things out before I knew the specs to bf3, but it seems totally doable for roughly 5-600$ not including mouse/key/monitor.
Here's a quad-core combo for $350, just needs a GPU. The cool thing about the included CPU is that it is an APU. It has an AMD 6530 GPU built into the CPU. It is a good backup for those times when the main GPU fails. You can double the ram to 8GB for $37 extra.
Here's a six-core combo for $369. It also only needs a GPU to be completed. Double the RAM for $33 extra.
AMD HD6790 Card for $135
Nvidia 550Ti Card for $135
Total cost for quad-core system would be $485.
Total cost for the six-core system would be $504.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14963944 - 08/23/11 01:55 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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That is pure sexiness.
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that is pure awesome. ok now add in the price of an nvidia geforce card, keyboard, mouse, monitor, what does that tac on, extra $200?? however, snoot said he doesn't like amd processors. w/e what socket type is that motherboard, can you exchange it for an intel processor? what mbps speed is the network adapter? most people want 64 player online no drop in fps.
those bundles are ok but what is the catch? if none then go with that, but be warned if you want to trade out the amd for an intel, you are going to spend an extra $100 or so. but not bad, with all peripherals, that comes out to what $500-$600. that is the cost of what I originally listed but I didn't add keyboard, mouse, monitor, and of course to play battlefield 3 you need an hd monitor. so you will need an hd ribbon cable as well right??
now what I don't see in the bundle is the power supply, also nobody listed windows. ok so you want dx11, so it'll have to be windows 7 oem. You can find that for $125? go for it. Now battlefield 3 might be compatible in wine soon enough, we don't know yet. in which case ubuntu 11.4 is a good bet for not needing directx11, it'll have a linux version of the video decoder etc. etc. etc. that is equal to direct x 11. I'll look that up real quick, but we don't know yet if this game will work in wine. but for high end games so far that DO work in wine:
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that last video far cry 2 blew ass. guy had it in highest settings, well that didn't run too well on wine. how about this:
this runs optimally. I'm guessing wine is like every other linux program?? you need updates for it etc. and there are probably 100 different versions of programs that help it run better? what is Cedega, a dx equivalent??
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