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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: goodhuck]
#14946890 - 08/19/11 11:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah its cool the beta is open. if you have MoH you get an early 48hour pass to the beta.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14951646 - 08/20/11 09:06 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Step 1:
Replace full-scene AA with edgeAA or a normal pass filter.
Step 2:
You've saved enough system resources to load in some higher resolution textures, models, particle effects, etc.
Step 3:
Tell your console gaming audience you've revolutionized graphics and can draw moar than evar befoar!(because you know they have no fucking clue what the individual effects are or what their impact is, since you don't give them the freedom to tweak them)
Pretty good trick, lol.
While I have no doubt it'll look amazing compared to other consoles games their claims are a bit outlandish and unrealistic. The consoles can keep up because "HD" to them is 720 upscaled (1024X768 & similar widescreen resolutions) whereas a moden 22" gaming PC monitor demands lots more pixels running at 1680X1050 and similar resolutions. If you have a PC hooked up to a large format display like lots of consoles are, that's where PC graphics can really shine. Because your 1080P 42"+ tv really has a lot of potential when you actually tap out it's resolution.
It even explicitly mentions the console version will not be capable of motion blur and full AA, which is to be expected.
What I really think will make this game stand out graphically isn't the lighting, particle effects, high res textures, quality models, or anything of that sort- but the ANT animation system that Game Informer page talks about. As far as I am concerned that is something I have not yet seen done in any shooter. It could really open up a lot of potential for making your teammates and enemies seem more human and less robot.
They also mention that the console version will not be capable of handling full 64 player matches. It'll be a crazy fun game regardless, but for me the high playercount was always a sell of the Battlefield series. Some games are designed to work well with more players, Battlefield is definitely one of them.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14951691 - 08/20/11 09:21 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also the jury's still out on the destructible environments. It's easy to design a game so you can realistically claim it has them (and loads of people love that and get excited for it) even though the actually system you use to implement it is primitive. It's just one of those things that's very difficult to achieve, so any time a dev claims it I approach with cautious optimism.
Actually designing the buildings with furniture and other living objects would do much more for the game environment. BC2 had bland buildings that looked like they must have been completely vacant prior to your arrival. We've seen scripted building collapses and they're great but essentially a one-trick horse, and the "destructible environments" in BC2 were essentially stock houses that would collapse the same way predictably and concrete that would deform when shot.
I want to be in a building, be able to place C4 on a wall and have it blow a hole out of the wall or floor- and then also have some kind of way to assign "structural support" meshes that if destroyed past a % also cause a scripted collapse. I'd like to see doors with break meshes that get shredded up like real doors would if you open up a .30 cal on them. Lights that go out when shot or broken in maps that are dark enough for it to matter.
Very excited for this one. A LOT of potential. We've needed a shooter reboot for a while. Call of Duty has grown stale, amirite?
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: blujay]
#14954703 - 08/20/11 11:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can see the ANT system at work each time they run, it looks cool. Its hard to really speculate about their claims until I've played the release copy and really get my fingers dirty. I actually loved the destructables in bc2, I mean sure the rooms and houses were generic and mundane, but who cares, I mean they are lots of fun, just being able to put a hole in the side of a house is far more awesome then running threw a house that cant be destroyed in anyway but has pretty furniture and pictures on the wall. Naturally in teh future I can hope the best of those two worlds come together and I can only assume it shall. I believe alot of their claims about new graphics and what have you is in regards to the PC, the lighting system is pretty sexy, and you can see it at work in the previews, it looks very elegant and fun to kill people in that kind of environment. From the alpha play in operation metro, it does seem like the bigger buildings are going to destroy in a very generic fashion aswell, but its hard to say the experience was limited and its hard to speculate I guess. Its going to be fun, and sexy at the same time. These days however hype is as big a deal as the product itself is. DICE and EA have done quite an excellent job building hype, esp with the production value of their trailers they are really awesome and if you're a battlefield fan they give you goosebumps.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14955125 - 08/21/11 01:32 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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The buildinds in this one look much bigger than in bc2 as well. Even if the destruction is still not perfect, should be fun to level a large building that people cant easily escape from. Destructible buildinds in bc2 are limited to 2 story+attic ww2 era-looking piles of
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14955609 - 08/21/11 06:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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wtf, I had medal of honor, limited edition, and they even sent me an email saying I will get access to the beta. wtf how come I didn't get an email confirming my access to the beta?? wtf, that's insane!
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14955614 - 08/21/11 07:02 AM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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are you sure you don't mean that the alpha is out now??
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are you sure you don't mean that the alpha is out now??
o I didnt mean that the beta was 'open' like active, meaning people are beta'ing it up. I meant that it is open to the public, those who bought MoH get an early 48 access to it, then after those two days anyone can do it.
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The_Ghost said: The buildinds in this one look much bigger than in bc2 as well. Even if the destruction is still not perfect, should be fun to level a large building that people cant easily escape from. Destructible buildinds in bc2 are limited to 2 story+attic ww2 era-looking piles of 
they didnt look all that great, but it is alot of fun. I enjoy making my own door, or strategically making holes. Your tactical toolbox is expanded greatly by being able to change the environment and landscape. One thing that just blows about CoD, you're so limited, the only things you can do is change your kit up, change your location, and change the way you're looking. It gets boring, there is no real in-depth dynamic that makes it any fun, just run and gun, spawn a second later rinse and repeat. I'd much rather have a environment that is destroyable and changeable then one that looks nice and has pretty aesthetics. ya know what I mean? I can only assume one day in the future we will have both.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14956610 - 08/21/11 12:46 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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i think this game looks miles above bad company 2, which I thought was only descent. and to be honest I felt that bad company 2 was a big let down compared to bad company 1. battlefield 3 looks like it will really turn the tide
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: Konyap]
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: Konyap]
#14957012 - 08/21/11 02:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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the caspian sea trailer is friggen amazing. I' need to get a build a pc for this game.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
#14957507 - 08/21/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Alpha was only out for the weekend of July 29-30. I got my reserved Beta spot email on July 20 even before the Alpha. Just went on the site and their updates say "sometime in Sept[for the open beta]" and "on all platforms". Maybe because I had game time on MoH beta, subsequently buying MoH, and entering my 'special code' from the pre-order for MoH. IDK.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: goodhuck]
#14957599 - 08/21/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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i'm still really "meh" about this because i don't have a gaming PC. playing this on a console is just dumb.
even if i had a gaming PC it really doesn't look too great IMO.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
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1.) Not including any peripherals or a graphics card is a bad representation of the admittedly premium entry price for PC gaming.
2.) While perfectly doable (impressive style) for under $900 buying AMD... yeah.
3.) 129$ PSU. Really? It's the backbone of the computer- but a 70$ 500W Thermaltake is just as reliable.
3.) Spending almost $200 on a 6-core Phenom-generation processor is a bad idea.
Why? Because most software is just now beginning to support dual core. Adoption trending for quad-core processors is fairly low, so you'll likely never see graphics software outside of the demoscene that actually takes advantage of the extra cores.
The new intel line is about to come down in price. The amount of money you save by buying the product form the guys running in second place isn't worth sheer reliability of a paired Intel mobo&proc. It's damn near a guarantee you will not have any problems other than an immediate RMA faults. Lots of my friends have cut corners while building rigs only to have them fail left and right or run into game-crippling driver issues they got to wait weeks to have patched.
There's more to a processor than it's ghz, core #, and socket type. The actual architecture redesign of the new intel processors vastly improves caching efficiency. A 3.0ghz Sandy bridge generation processor will blow any of it's predecessors out of the water.
Coming from someone who has built and benchmarked two perfect comparison systems, one from the "last generation" and another for "the next". One with Core2Duo 3.2Ghz vs a 3.0+(?)Ghz i5 both with matching GTX-460 Nvidea cards.
PC gaming is one category where name brand is really worth the extra ~$20 here and there.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: JT]
#14958562 - 08/21/11 09:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago) |
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JT said: i'm still really "meh" about this because i don't have a gaming PC. playing this on a console is just dumb.
I'll play it on console, and Im sure itll be a blast.
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JT said: even if i had a gaming PC it really doesn't look too great IMO.
heh who are you trying to fool?

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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: snoot]
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JT said: i'm still really "meh" about this because i don't have a gaming PC. playing this on a console is just dumb.
I'll play it on console, and Im sure itll be a blast.
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JT said: even if i had a gaming PC it really doesn't look too great IMO.
heh who are you trying to fool?


if you play it on a console, you won't need to assemble all those parts I just listed. but if you assemble all those parts, you'll have a hell of a pc, AND a gaming machine. what are your current specs right now??
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64 player multi is the only way its worth that money. Plus, the console graphics blow in comparison to the pc. BC2 couldn't hold my inte rest at all sober on the 360.
And the graphics look great in the official trailers, but watch any real gameplay on the consoles and it's no better than MW2. Just snazzy marketing.
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Re: Battlefield 3 [Re: JT]
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JT said: 64 player multi is the only way its worth that money. Plus, the console graphics blow in comparison to the pc. BC2 couldn't hold my inte rest at all sober on the 360.
And the graphics look great in the official trailers, but watch any real gameplay on the consoles and it's no better than MW2. Just snazzy marketing.
you are probably right. I saw some 360 gameplay, and it couldn't hold up to the images you posted. I was like "wtf" I checked your images and couldn't believe the detail was so fine, then looked again at the 360 videos, and almost cried. I have a 360, and a computer that can run crysis, but it can only run crysis on dx9, so probably won't run battlefield any better then the 360, this is the sad thing. I could put a better graphics card in here, but with the processor being on dual core, and the psu wattage, being, well I forget, still I remember I'm pretty sure this thing can't handle a better graphics card. this socket is only 775 I don't think it could handle a quad core processor, I could be wrong 
of course for $584, I could build that computer I just listed. I just don't have the $584 right now. Plus I want to make sure battlefield 3 can run in wine before I build and install it because I don't want to ever have to pay $300 for winblows ever again, I will probably never install windows ever again unless I have to for some reason. it's linux from now on, linux is free, includes generic drivers so universal even my printer printed just by having the usb plugged in and just doing an update while my pc detected the printer. no viruses, no $300, and face it ntfs sucks it's incompatible with most os like linux or mac osx whereas mac osx and linux together are fairly compatible.
I don't know some people like winblows but I wouldn't waste $600 on a pc just to play battlefield 3, paying an extra $300 for windows making it total $900. no friggin way. I know you understand man. I know you understand
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