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Understanding The Tree of Life
#14073904 - 03/06/11 01:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sup Shroomery,
As of late I have become increasingly interested in The Kaballah. It seems Kabalistic knowledge is the easiest way to become a wizard, which would be really cool.
Anyways, through research and such it seems that a key concept to mastering Kabalisitc wisdom is by truely understanding and utilizing the philosophy that Sefirot system teaches. My question too you guys is this.... has anyone treaded down this path before? Does it bare any fruit? Is The Tree of Life/Sefirot system as hard to learn as it looks and should I even bother with it.
Ok, thanks guys
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: juloxx]
#14074277 - 03/06/11 04:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Relevant to my interests. Im sure there are good books out there on this but i cant speak from experience.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: juloxx]
#14074278 - 03/06/11 04:47 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I studied with Chabad house for a while. Personally I think it's all a bunch of convoluted BS.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: juloxx] 1
#14084481 - 03/08/11 12:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think it's a worthwhile study.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: juloxx] 1
#14085928 - 03/08/11 10:08 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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To truly get something out of Kabbalah, it's not enough to just study the Tree of Life. You have to embody it. Of course, doing so requires requires that you first learn the system. Through study, you can learn to recognize the ten archetypes, and when you are out of balance, you will come to understand which energies you need to invoke to make the necessary shift. To truly ascend you need some learned master to guide you on the path of return. But even without this help, there is much to be gleaned by immersing oneself in this system.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: Silversoul]
#14086033 - 03/08/11 10:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: To truly get something out of Kabbalah, it's not enough to just study the Tree of Life. You have to embody it. Of course, doing so requires requires that you first learn the system. Through study, you can learn to recognize the ten archetypes, and when you are out of balance, you will come to understand which energies you need to invoke to make the necessary shift. To truly ascend you need some learned master to guide you on the path of return. But even without this help, there is much to be gleaned by immersing oneself in this system.
I'm currently exploring it through tarot cards. it helps to meditate on the ten sephiroth as they exist in the four worlds.
I'm not sure I've had a conversation with my HGA, but I feel like I'm being led by the living word. it's hard to explain.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: juloxx]
#14086054 - 03/08/11 10:48 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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juloxx said: It seems Kabalistic knowledge is the easiest way to become a wizard, which would be really cool.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#14086123 - 03/08/11 11:15 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Cabala is cool .
I use the images from tarot cards and Crowley's Book of Thoth. Haven't finished it yet though. It's going really slowly, because I'm taking my time to really understand it and I'm reading a bunch of other shit along the way. I like the map of my mind it has created so far.
The Cabala makes sense in an abstract symbolic way. I still don't think any of it can be proven, but IMO it has a lot more truth in it than it's non-esoteric counterpart (Judaism).
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dustinthewind13 said: The Cabala is cool .
I use the images from tarot cards and Crowley's Book of Thoth. Haven't finished it yet though. It's going really slowly, because I'm taking my time to really understand it and I'm reading a bunch of other shit along the way. I like the map of my mind it has created so far.
The Cabala makes sense in an abstract symbolic way. I still don't think any of it can be proven, but IMO it has a lot more truth in it than it's non-esoteric counterpart (Judaism).
I'm working with Book of Thoth too. A.C.'s cards were visionary.
I think formation from the triple veil of nothingness is exactly what scientists are explaining through the big bang.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: Crasher]
#14086719 - 03/08/11 01:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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what do you guys study in university, or studied in the past?
Im trying to get into this stuff more in depth and am looking for field of study to point me in the right direction
thanks
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: Crasher]
#14087012 - 03/08/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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dustinthewind13 said: The Cabala is cool .
I use the images from tarot cards and Crowley's Book of Thoth. Haven't finished it yet though. It's going really slowly, because I'm taking my time to really understand it and I'm reading a bunch of other shit along the way. I like the map of my mind it has created so far.
The Cabala makes sense in an abstract symbolic way. I still don't think any of it can be proven, but IMO it has a lot more truth in it than it's non-esoteric counterpart (Judaism).
I'm working with Book of Thoth too. A.C.'s cards were visionary.
I think formation from the triple veil of nothingness is exactly what scientists are explaining through the big bang.
I've had a similar hunch from reflecting on a trip I had. I use my trips to help visualize the Cabala system. I think it helps, but I can never be sure if I am visualizing the same thing Crowley was. Or anyone else for that matter. Crowley was still a smart dude , although a bit weird. The image that was created by the media and people who didn't like him undermines the ingeniousness of his work IMO.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: Magicmario]
#14087112 - 03/08/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Magicmario said: what do you guys study in university, or studied in the past?
Im trying to get into this stuff more in depth and am looking for field of study to point me in the right direction
thanks
Psychology.
IMO this "stuff" is most connected to psychology and philosophy. I got into it before I went to university and believe it was one of the main reason I applied for psychology. I am also a fan of philosophy, but I get enough of that on the Shroomery. I'd rather also learn theories that have been proven or psychological philosophies that are more generally accepted. I can then compare it to the "stuff" I read. I think that also helps me visualize it. Psychology is the rationalistic counterpart of spirituality and mysticism IMO. By studying it I can have a balance between my rational and intuitive side. Otherwise I could end up living in a fantasy fairytale world .
Hope this helps you choose your path .
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: juloxx]
#14088367 - 03/08/11 06:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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juloxx said: Sup Shroomery,
As of late I have become increasingly interested in The Kaballah. It seems Kabalistic knowledge is the easiest way to become a wizard, which would be really cool.
Anyways, through research and such it seems that a key concept to mastering Kabalisitc wisdom is by truely understanding and utilizing the philosophy that Sefirot system teaches. My question too you guys is this.... has anyone treaded down this path before? Does it bare any fruit? Is The Tree of Life/Sefirot system as hard to learn as it looks and should I even bother with it.
Ok, thanks guys
THIS BOOK IS A GEM! It is physically small, it is brilliant and illuminating (and I've read many of the Jewish scholarly classics by Gershom Scholem, as well as occult classics like Mathers, Dion Fortune, A.E. Waite, Papus and popular Jewish authors like Halevi, Drob [whom I corresponded with]). http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Qabalah-Will-Parfitt/dp/0760710791/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1299635891&sr=8-1
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Kaballah is a very mystical side of Judaism. I visited Israel a couple years back and the town where Kaballah is said to have originated (Tzfat), and just being in the same presence of the followers of Kaballah is enough to see the depth in which they study it. They eat, breathe, and live Kaballah. Every Jewish text, or any religious text for that matter, can be analyzed to an incredibly deep level and the student can take away many meanings from them. Kaballah takes it in a different direction completely. It is finding mysticism in the Judaic texts and finding ways to integrate it into everyday life. In Israel (probably in the States too) there are houses of study, like the Chabad house blewmeanie mentioned, where you can find a spiritual leader who will be able to guide your thoughts and actions in the right direction. If this is something you're passionate about I'd strongly recommend it.
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juloxx said: Sup Shroomery,
As of late I have become increasingly interested in The Kaballah. It seems Kabalistic knowledge is the easiest way to become a wizard, which would be really cool.
Anyways, through research and such it seems that a key concept to mastering Kabalisitc wisdom is by truely understanding and utilizing the philosophy that Sefirot system teaches. My question too you guys is this.... has anyone treaded down this path before? Does it bare any fruit? Is The Tree of Life/Sefirot system as hard to learn as it looks and should I even bother with it.
Ok, thanks guys
THIS BOOK IS A GEM! It is physically small, it is brilliant and illuminating (and I've read many of the Jewish scholarly classics by Gershom Scholem, as well as occult classics like Mathers, Dion Fortune, A.E. Waite, Papus and popular Jewish authors like Halevi, Drob [whom I corresponded with]). http://www.amazon.com/Elements-Qabalah-Will-Parfitt/dp/0760710791/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1299635891&sr=8-1

Tnx. I like short and brilliant.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: Crasher]
#14089169 - 03/08/11 09:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Crasher said: I'm not sure I've had a conversation with my HGA
Try asking to speak with your HGA while in a lucid dream. Very interesting things happen...
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: deCypher] 1
#14089242 - 03/08/11 09:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Crasher said: I'm not sure I've had a conversation with my HGA
Try asking to speak with your HGA while in a lucid dream. Very interesting things happen...
Thanks brother, I'll try it out.
This is all fairly new to me, my last spiritual phase was a crudely executed form of shamanism from ages 14-19, followed by total atheism, followed by this new strange quasi gnostic-Buddhist-mystery faith. I feel like I'm being directed by some trans dimensional intelligence...the living word, I guess.
Philip K. Dick called it VALIS.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: deCypher]
#14093224 - 03/09/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Crasher said: I'm not sure I've had a conversation with my HGA
Try asking to speak with your HGA while in a lucid dream. Very interesting things happen...
Whats an HGA?
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: juloxx]
#14093246 - 03/09/11 03:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: irie.one]
#14094595 - 03/09/11 07:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks. I've got that. Been reading Qabalistic/Kabbalistic material since 1972. Can't help being an Elder.
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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: deCypher]
#14094623 - 03/09/11 07:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let the Fear of God be ever before the eyes and the heart of him who shall possess this Divine Wisdom and Sacred Magic."

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Re: Understanding The Tree of Life [Re: deCypher]
#14098746 - 03/10/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said: Holy Guardian Angel.
I think I'd pretty much agree with the author Mike Howard, about the idiosyncratic work of Crowley. Crowley took this term from The Sacred Magick of Abramelin the Sage, (of which a modern translation with corrections has recently been published). The ritual of Abramelin takes 6 months of preparation, and a room with an adjoining porch that can be converted to a mini desert, etc. At any rate, the Holy Guardian Angel can have its parallels in the Jewish notion of a good impulse (Yetzer Tov) as well as the Voudun notion of one's 'good angels' (Ti Bon Ange, and Gros Bon Ange - little good angel and great good angel). Interestingly, the Voudun terms are almost identical in concept to the Egyptian Ka and Ba. The point is, that Crowley insisted that this Holy Guardian Angle was not "an abstraction" of the human self, but an 'external' being. I have a problem with internal and external when it comes to the non-subtantial reality of consciousness. Intersubjectivity and telepathy illustrate this.
In Parfitt's Qabalism, the Holy guardian Angel is the Higher Self, or the Lesser Countenance [of God], which is like saying the 'indwelling Christ.' This is our Higher Self. It is the "spiritual man" of St. Paul, or the transition of identification when one sacrifices one's egoic mind in favor of the "mind of Christ" which has its 'seat' in the Heart Center, not the Brain Center. So, when Paul wrote, "I live, yet not, I; Christ liveth in me" (KJV), there is the experience of becoming "a new creation." This is being "born again" in a Christian mystical context, and in Qabalah, 'piercing the Veil of Paroketh.' This is when the personality attributed to the lower 4 spheres in the Tree of Life, or the first three chakra motives become transcended (transcended and included in a cosmic identity).
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