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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14077654 - 03/06/11 08:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think its kinda weird anybody talks to their self period.  I mean, a single body but its talking to itself so clearly there is a talker and a listener operating inside the vessel?

Desires competing?

Or are we vessels unaware we are the medium for voices (spirits/entities?) on a different dimension and so the voices (spirits/entities?) have control over us as long as we are identified with them?


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: sunset_mission]
    #14077770 - 03/06/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's because the person misinterprets their thoughts as a seperate voice.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: giza]
    #14077842 - 03/06/11 08:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've always wanted to understand the mind of a schizophrenic person, but the very nature of the "disease" makes it extremely difficult to do that.

I think it is simpler than it often appears. Like Giza said, the most basic example is that somebody misinterprets their thoughts as an external voice and can't shake the feeling that they are being "spoken to," rather than thinking normally.

The closest I've come to experiencing psychotic ideation was on high doses of stimulants (amphetamines in particular). I become so enraptured in my chosen activity (usually masturbation) that categorizations of feelings, thoughts, experiences, and intentions become blended and thought processes become unduly burdened by free association.

I'm in the wild west, surrounded by game, I get into a fight with the sheriff, and reflect deeply upon the nature of freedom. Or, I make contact with an alien monolith which fills me with transcendental wisdom, and must spread my message to the whole of mankind.

These are actual delusions I've experienced, concurrent with the usual sexual fantasies, while masturbating on large doses of meth or adderall. I feel like they must be related to the pattern of psychotic ideation that becomes predominant in a person's behavior when they are suffering stimulant psychosis, which itself is nearly indistinguishable from schizophrenia.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14077859 - 03/06/11 08:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's kind of like an addiction, who's a better friend to you than yourself?
But you can also be a harsh critic of yourself.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14077959 - 03/06/11 09:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
I feel like they must be related to the pattern of psychotic ideation that becomes predominant in a person's behavior when they are suffering stimulant psychosis, which itself is nearly indistinguishable from schizophrenia.




You would be correct, as there is lots of clinical experience with amphetamine psychosis, especially in WW2 when pilots ate it like candy.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14078024 - 03/06/11 09:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Military pilots suffering from amphetamine psychosis sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. :eek:

People in general ate amphetamines like candy back then from what I can tell. Hitler, himself, was on a daily methamphetamine regimen for his Parkinson's(?!) for years. They had no idea what they were dealing with.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14078069 - 03/06/11 09:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I've read you could get some pretty strong amps OTC back in those days.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #14078087 - 03/06/11 09:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I really wonder what the implications of that are for the historical narrative. It seems like many events of the period could have had their roots (at least partially) in widespread amphetamine abuse. But it also doesn't seem like anybody whipped up much of a hysteria in the process of regulating the drug more strictly.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #14078098 - 03/06/11 09:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
I really wonder what the implications of that are for the historical narrative. It seems like many events of the period could have had their roots (at least partially) in widespread amphetamine abuse. But it also doesn't seem like anybody whipped up much of a hysteria in the process of regulating the drug more strictly.




Well, that's because amphetamines were helping people fight for the government, whereas other drugs helped people rip up their draft cards.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: sunset_mission] * 1
    #14080070 - 03/07/11 08:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Most people who hear voices are not mentally ill and most mentally ill people dont hear voices. I myself have an inner dialogue, not as much "a voice" that is heard but a line of thought that gives me answers when I have questions and which tends to interject when I'm about to make a decision in my life that is important, and sometines to alert me a seeming trifle in fact does have important ramifications.

When inner dialogue deranges, it wont leave when you want it gone, it dispenses harmful, confusing or unsound advice or commentary and when you get anxious about it and make it into anything more than an internal communication, it can become illness.

When you are dreaming, recall sometimes having discussion with people in the dream? That's you doing it, creating a dualitry in your mind and have them interact. In itself, it isnt unnatural or harmful.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: Asante]
    #14080333 - 03/07/11 10:33 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

yesterday I was at a McDonalds and there were two schizophrenic guys talking about being wire tapped and how "they" are out to get them. then one of them left somewhere and the other guy carried on his conversation with someone else that I guess he was seeing, and seemed to think I was talking to him as well. He started telling me about how he writes in Hebrew because they can't understand it and that knowledge is power and it will win the war or something like that. He actually followed us out to the car telling us all about it while also talking to the other person he was seeing.

Sometimes I think it would be kind of adventurous to be schizophrenic and have your world be a thrilling adventure like that but in reality its all just a fantasy and worst of all, your stuck in it. Which is something I definitely wouldn't want.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: A Day InThe Life]
    #14080379 - 03/07/11 10:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I gotta say, this thread really made me feel crazy for the first time in a long time. I don't know if it's schizophrenia that's happening to me, or what it is. But I have very little internal dialague, and sometimes I do hear voices that seemingly exist outside of myself, but I know they're all within. It might just be imagination, in fact, i'm sure it's imagination. I don't look at schizophrenia the same way as I used too, as a kid I was brought up that it was some malicious horrible thing, and these people need to be locked away into cages. Some are violent, some are peaceful, some are incoherent, and some think they have it all. 

In regards to my own condition, I have been offered a chance to pursue a different life, one without meds, without people making me feel like I'm crazy or unfit for this world. It's a struggle, but after it starting happening to me (which was very rapid) I was highly recommended to be put on pills, it's three years later, and I still do not feel the need to take pills for something as natural as this. It can be utterly terrifying at times, and the most beautiful, profound experiences. It seems that those who call me crazy, or talk behind my back, are the ones who keep coming back to hear more for some reason. This is a beautiful gift, I wish more people would realize it, but then again, mine isn't as severe as a lot of peoples, but with the proper guidance, it can be worked through without sedation and locking away. This illness, it doesn't really seem like a bad thing like I had thought when I was 17, looking back on it, it feels like a huge initiation into something more meaningful and deep then what my life once was. I had my down time with drugs, and now that i'm sobering up, I have to face the truth of who I am, and let it shine as bright as I can. I have a new confidence today, and a new perception on life, and I hope to carry this out to other people who struggle with their own thoughts imagined or not.

Sorry, wall of text. :sun:


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: HappyTrippin]
    #14082389 - 03/07/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

its rude to tell someone the people they are talkin to arent real, pig.


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Re: Severe Schizophrenia? [Re: HappyTrippin]
    #14082676 - 03/07/11 06:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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HappyTrippin said:
I gotta say, this thread really made me feel crazy for the first time in a long time. I don't know if it's schizophrenia that's happening to me, or what it is. But I have very little internal dialague, and sometimes I do hear voices that seemingly exist outside of myself, but I know they're all within. It might just be imagination, in fact, i'm sure it's imagination. I don't look at schizophrenia the same way as I used too, as a kid I was brought up that it was some malicious horrible thing, and these people need to be locked away into cages. Some are violent, some are peaceful, some are incoherent, and some think they have it all. 

In regards to my own condition, I have been offered a chance to pursue a different life, one without meds, without people making me feel like I'm crazy or unfit for this world. It's a struggle, but after it starting happening to me (which was very rapid) I was highly recommended to be put on pills, it's three years later, and I still do not feel the need to take pills for something as natural as this. It can be utterly terrifying at times, and the most beautiful, profound experiences. It seems that those who call me crazy, or talk behind my back, are the ones who keep coming back to hear more for some reason. This is a beautiful gift, I wish more people would realize it, but then again, mine isn't as severe as a lot of peoples, but with the proper guidance, it can be worked through without sedation and locking away. This illness, it doesn't really seem like a bad thing like I had thought when I was 17, looking back on it, it feels like a huge initiation into something more meaningful and deep then what my life once was. I had my down time with drugs, and now that i'm sobering up, I have to face the truth of who I am, and let it shine as bright as I can. I have a new confidence today, and a new perception on life, and I hope to carry this out to other people who struggle with their own thoughts imagined or not.

Sorry, wall of text. :sun:




Wall of text appreciated. This thread shouldn't make you feel crazy; in fact, though you espouse to having this condition you seem very centered and grounded and spiritually in touch. In fact I recall seeing a McKenna video where he discussed the correlation between Shamans and Schizophrenics, and how rather than being shunned and demonized as they are in our culture, they are viewed as special, their gift a blessing and one which can be used for good and not made to make them feel alienated. In fact the 'schizo's of other cultures are indeed their shamans (in some cases?) As you said there are varying degrees of them, some are violent, others peaceful et al, and I believe that some are truly gifted if they were to know how to harness it.

As for your signature; namaste, my friend. :bow:


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