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If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story?
    #14072576 - 03/05/11 07:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Any opinions/insight on this?


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14072636 - 03/05/11 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing is wrong with it.  Unless you preach it to others as truth.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14072683 - 03/05/11 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How many people have been killed because of a story? 'Witches burned', Inquisition, homosexuals beaten and discriminated against because of some Biblical passage, same with Blacks because of the story they they are 'Mud People' and less than human.

So you see nothing wrong with false stories?


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14072742 - 03/05/11 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, I am conflicted with it at the moment, that's why I asked for insight.
I believe it is fine to believe them for mental closure.

@Icelander, yes, good point, I believe that also.


Edited by giza (03/05/11 08:32 PM)


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14072929 - 03/05/11 09:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We are all believing stories.  The question is only what story. We need our stories to protect our fragile self images.  The quality of your story determines your experience to a large degree.  But even if your story sucks and makes you and everyone around you squirm you will most likely defend it with everything you got.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Icelander]
    #14073036 - 03/05/11 09:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nothing. The rest of us will keep trying to find the truth while
you sit in fairy world. Have fun, don't hurt yourself.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? *DELETED* [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073042 - 03/05/11 09:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Post deleted by giza

Reason for deletion: My bad.



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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073047 - 03/05/11 09:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

This was a question to base on how to think of the people that believe in the stories of religon and spirituality.(For myself)


Edited by giza (03/05/11 09:47 PM)


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073068 - 03/05/11 09:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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giza said:
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mushiepussy said:
Nothing. The rest of us will keep trying to find the truth while
you sit in fairy world. Have fun, don't hurt yourself.




Nice assumption.




Ditto. I was talking to whoever acts this way, not you brutha.

I know what your point wass, that's why I said what I said.
Religion just allows people to settle with stories, while
the real world is working for progress. I hope they are happy,
and I hope their ignorance doesn't hurt them.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073074 - 03/05/11 09:48 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ah, I see. I will delete it.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073075 - 03/05/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thought when you said 'you', you were directing it to me.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073078 - 03/05/11 09:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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This was a question to base on how to think of the people that believe in the stories of religon and spirituality.(For myself)




What are you conflicted about?


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Cups]
    #14073084 - 03/05/11 09:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Whether or not it is bad karma to relieve your own suffering through something that may be false.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Cups]
    #14073096 - 03/05/11 09:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

How do you know karma isn't false?


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073105 - 03/05/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

it is false.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Cups]
    #14073106 - 03/05/11 09:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I know that's it's possible it is false. But I've already integrated into my life enough that if I drop a pencil I wonder what caused that imperfection.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073112 - 03/05/11 09:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It has been working for me, but I'm not closed off to other possibilities, just testing the beliefs of karma out.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073126 - 03/05/11 10:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i should have said karma is false in the mythical sense.

I think that all actions have a reaction, but the reaction is
predictable and logical. Nothing happens without a reason, but
that reason is never supernatural.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073137 - 03/05/11 10:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I figured how do I really know for sure if I don't apply it and try it myself.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073210 - 03/05/11 10:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Because I think if everything we know about the universe is
logical, why should we assume anything else of life choices?
If you simply think about the effects of your action thoroughly,
you don't need an idea like karma to base your decisions off of.
The human mind is tricky, I think ideas like karma are perceptions
of actual truths, because logically a wrong action will cause turmoil in the future, and a right action will be bring peace, but these
phenomena can be fully explained by logic. All IMO.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073247 - 03/05/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I kind of believe that if we believe it our mind then applies it.

The thing that gets me is the 'goodness' of our thoughts, such as you look at a fat person and go 'haha, that sucks' in your head, or is it better to look at them with no emotion.

What I'm getting at is if we can hear our thoughts how do you know there isn't a way that another can hear them.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073256 - 03/05/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Err.. I mean how do you know there's no true repercussions for having such thoughts


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14073316 - 03/05/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think children are prone to blind faith because it's conducive to survival to accept what the elders tell them is true, whether it's something to do with the smell of elk shit or how to gain the blessings of the sky spirits. From there, all it takes is a well intended lie, and that lie may be implanted into culture, passed on (as karma) from one generation to the next. All is well until cultures mix, and someone's told their sky spirit is a big falsehood. Look out, cognitive dissonance! Confusion and pain, someone must be to blame for that splinter in the mind. Yes, their great, great, great, great grandfather.

It seems like before language was well developed, or even earlier when complex language wasn't even possible, many of the same emotions and states of mind would be around. Just no words for them, and now there are words for everything, even all the things that don't exist. Even with the same language involved, non-cohesive concepts might mix. Like, associating a God with a father for example. I sometimes wonder if language is to blame for existential problems.

Our brains can't handle language!:crankey:


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14073329 - 03/05/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Nothing. The rest of us will keep trying to find the truth while
you sit in fairy world. Have fun, don't hurt yourself.





Your truth isn't worth a nickel. :lol: That's obvious.

Everything changes, yesterdays logic is todays silliness and as we learn something today it will negate what we knew yesterday.  Nobody knows for sure what reality is but we come up with some interesting stories.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Rahz]
    #14073341 - 03/05/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

@Rahz
Understandable, I was thinking along the same lines earlier..

If a person finds a way through spirituality or belief that makes them content and aids them in their daily struggles they pass it down, sometimes as a truth.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Icelander]
    #14073361 - 03/05/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Err.. I mean how do you know there's no true repercussions for having such thoughts




I believe there are reprocussions, but 1. they are very subtle
2. They are 100% explained through logical reasoning(If you judge
others on their appearance you may miss their wisdom or when you
grow old and ugly you will look down upon yourself) 3. The
reprocussions are totaly under your control, but its up to you
to realize you have the control or they will control you.

I don't think we should worry if others could hear our thoughts,
there is no evidence they can. If you mean god, it doesn't seem
like god controls any aspects of our life so no need to worry
if he can or can't.
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Nothing. The rest of us will keep trying to find the truth while
you sit in fairy world. Have fun, don't hurt yourself.





Your truth isn't worth a nickel. :lol: That's obvious.




Really? How much do you think I could get?


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14075610 - 03/06/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Even if the repercussions are subtle that is why I made the change.
I would rather not drop a fork out of the drawer when I go to grab one.

But when I throw a piece of trash from a short distance and make it, I feel a sense of accomplishment, that I did something to gain good karma.

It's a very good system, IMO, so that if I do something to have bad karma I realize my 'wrong' and since something actually happened because of the bad karma it makes my intent of change even stronger.

With the whole "Don't worry about the thoughts" I understand not to worry because no one can hear me as of yet.. but I can hear me, and that's enough for me to make a change. I would rather have a silent/listening mind rather than cloud it with irrelevant comments.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14075635 - 03/06/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

But when I throw a piece of trash from a short distance and make it, I feel a sense of accomplishment, that I did something to gain good karma.




That explains a lot.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14075832 - 03/06/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Hah, poor example..
When I intend to do something and it falls through, I feel 'good' about it, because I believe I earned it.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14075859 - 03/06/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hey whatever gets you through the day. I like to think the trash
went in the can because I put the right force and trajectory into
my shot so that it falls in, not that Im being repayed for giving
a quarter to that homeless guy. My reward for that is psychological.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14075871 - 03/06/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I used to think that way but it gets boring, IMO.


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
    #14075908 - 03/06/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe if you don't realize the extent of the implications
of a logical universe. IMO, knowing the laws of physics and
the nature of the universe is anything but boring. I think
karma is boring, just because I find all mythical beliefs boring.

Im not trying to criticize you btw. I see where youre coming
from. This is just my perspective of things.


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