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giza


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14073247 - 03/05/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I kind of believe that if we believe it our mind then applies it.
The thing that gets me is the 'goodness' of our thoughts, such as you look at a fat person and go 'haha, that sucks' in your head, or is it better to look at them with no emotion.
What I'm getting at is if we can hear our thoughts how do you know there isn't a way that another can hear them.
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giza


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
#14073256 - 03/05/11 10:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Err.. I mean how do you know there's no true repercussions for having such thoughts
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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
#14073316 - 03/05/11 10:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think children are prone to blind faith because it's conducive to survival to accept what the elders tell them is true, whether it's something to do with the smell of elk shit or how to gain the blessings of the sky spirits. From there, all it takes is a well intended lie, and that lie may be implanted into culture, passed on (as karma) from one generation to the next. All is well until cultures mix, and someone's told their sky spirit is a big falsehood. Look out, cognitive dissonance! Confusion and pain, someone must be to blame for that splinter in the mind. Yes, their great, great, great, great grandfather.
It seems like before language was well developed, or even earlier when complex language wasn't even possible, many of the same emotions and states of mind would be around. Just no words for them, and now there are words for everything, even all the things that don't exist. Even with the same language involved, non-cohesive concepts might mix. Like, associating a God with a father for example. I sometimes wonder if language is to blame for existential problems.
Our brains can't handle language!
-------------------- rahz comfort pleasure power love truth awareness peace "You’re not looking close enough if you can only see yourself in people who look like you." —Ayishat Akanbi
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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14073329 - 03/05/11 10:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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mushiepussy said: Nothing. The rest of us will keep trying to find the truth while you sit in fairy world. Have fun, don't hurt yourself.
Your truth isn't worth a nickel. That's obvious.
Everything changes, yesterdays logic is todays silliness and as we learn something today it will negate what we knew yesterday. Nobody knows for sure what reality is but we come up with some interesting stories.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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giza


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Rahz]
#14073341 - 03/05/11 10:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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@Rahz Understandable, I was thinking along the same lines earlier..
If a person finds a way through spirituality or belief that makes them content and aids them in their daily struggles they pass it down, sometimes as a truth.
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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: Icelander]
#14073361 - 03/05/11 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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giza said: Err.. I mean how do you know there's no true repercussions for having such thoughts
I believe there are reprocussions, but 1. they are very subtle 2. They are 100% explained through logical reasoning(If you judge others on their appearance you may miss their wisdom or when you grow old and ugly you will look down upon yourself) 3. The reprocussions are totaly under your control, but its up to you to realize you have the control or they will control you.
I don't think we should worry if others could hear our thoughts, there is no evidence they can. If you mean god, it doesn't seem like god controls any aspects of our life so no need to worry if he can or can't.Quote:
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mushiepussy said: Nothing. The rest of us will keep trying to find the truth while you sit in fairy world. Have fun, don't hurt yourself.
Your truth isn't worth a nickel. That's obvious.
Really? How much do you think I could get?
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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14075610 - 03/06/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Even if the repercussions are subtle that is why I made the change. I would rather not drop a fork out of the drawer when I go to grab one.
But when I throw a piece of trash from a short distance and make it, I feel a sense of accomplishment, that I did something to gain good karma.
It's a very good system, IMO, so that if I do something to have bad karma I realize my 'wrong' and since something actually happened because of the bad karma it makes my intent of change even stronger.
With the whole "Don't worry about the thoughts" I understand not to worry because no one can hear me as of yet.. but I can hear me, and that's enough for me to make a change. I would rather have a silent/listening mind rather than cloud it with irrelevant comments.
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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
#14075635 - 03/06/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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But when I throw a piece of trash from a short distance and make it, I feel a sense of accomplishment, that I did something to gain good karma.
That explains a lot.
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giza


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#14075832 - 03/06/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hah, poor example.. When I intend to do something and it falls through, I feel 'good' about it, because I believe I earned it.
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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
#14075859 - 03/06/11 02:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey whatever gets you through the day. I like to think the trash went in the can because I put the right force and trajectory into my shot so that it falls in, not that Im being repayed for giving a quarter to that homeless guy. My reward for that is psychological.
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giza


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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: mushiepussy]
#14075871 - 03/06/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I used to think that way but it gets boring, IMO.
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Re: If you can't find the truth, what's wrong with believing a story? [Re: giza]
#14075908 - 03/06/11 02:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe if you don't realize the extent of the implications of a logical universe. IMO, knowing the laws of physics and the nature of the universe is anything but boring. I think karma is boring, just because I find all mythical beliefs boring.
Im not trying to criticize you btw. I see where youre coming from. This is just my perspective of things.
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