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Hitsuzen
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PC Time Table
#14071615 - 03/05/11 04:13 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago) |
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--------------------------- 10 PSI....... 12 PSI ...... 15 PSI Agar...........................40 minutes......30 minutes......20 minutes Karo LC*....................20 minutes......17 minutes......15 minutes 1/2 Pint BRF..............90 minutes......75 minutes......60 minutes WBS Qt. Jars ...........120 minutes....105 minutes......90 minutes Popcorn Qt. Jars .....120 minutes....105 minutes......90 minutes <2 Qt. WBS Bags.....150 minutes....120 minutes....105 minutes >2 Qt. WBS Bags.....180 minutes....150 minutes....120 minutes
*Exceeding these times by more than 5 - 10 minutes may ruin your L.C.
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Here's the beginning of a PC time table. Feel free to correct my times (these are from personal experience), or to give me times for other substrates/volumes. I'll incorporate all your feedback into the table. So let me know! Thanks. :]
Edit: these are intended to be recommended MINIMUM times
Edited by Hitsuzen (03/05/11 11:52 PM)
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Hitsuzen
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14071829 - 03/05/11 04:57 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago) |
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Bump!
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14071934 - 03/05/11 05:20 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago) |
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DrGonz0 said: --------------------------- 10 PSI....... 12 PSI ...... 15 PSI Karo LC......................20 minutes......17 minutes......15 minutes 1/2 Pint BRF..............60 minutes......45 minutes......30 minutes WBS Qt. Jars ...........120 minutes....90 minutes......60 minutes Popcorn Qt. Jars .....120 minutes....90 minutes......60 minutes <2 Qt. WBS Bags.....150 minutes....120 minutes....90 minutes >2 Qt. WBS Bags.....180 minutes....150 minutes....120 minutes
Here's the beginning of a PC time table. Feel free to correct my times (these are from personal experience), or to give me times for other substrates/volumes. I'll incorporate all your feedback into the table. So let me know! Thanks. :]
Edit: these are intended to be recommended MINIMUM times
Maybe you should also add a recommended maximum as well? I would not go longer than 45min on my Malt/Dextrose LC's due to carmelization. Just like I wouldn't go longer than 45 Minutes with my Agar...
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Hitsuzen
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Yeah, in the case of LC, I'll make a note right now.
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Hitsuzen
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Stains Blue said:
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DrGonz0 said: --------------------------- 10 PSI....... 12 PSI ...... 15 PSI Karo LC......................20 minutes......17 minutes......15 minutes 1/2 Pint BRF..............60 minutes......45 minutes......30 minutes WBS Qt. Jars ...........120 minutes....90 minutes......60 minutes Popcorn Qt. Jars .....120 minutes....90 minutes......60 minutes <2 Qt. WBS Bags.....150 minutes....120 minutes....90 minutes >2 Qt. WBS Bags.....180 minutes....150 minutes....120 minutes
Here's the beginning of a PC time table. Feel free to correct my times (these are from personal experience), or to give me times for other substrates/volumes. I'll incorporate all your feedback into the table. So let me know! Thanks. :]
Edit: these are intended to be recommended MINIMUM times
Maybe you should also add a recommended maximum as well? I would not go longer than 45min on my Malt/Dextrose LC's due to carmelization. Just like I wouldn't go longer than 45 Minutes with my Agar...
Would you say the times I put up for the Karo LC are about the same as Malt/Dex? I've never used it.
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14071978 - 03/05/11 05:32 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago) |
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I always caution on the side of error. So I cannot tell you the minimum of LME/DEX LC I PC mine for 45 minutes. My Rye grain for 120 minutes. WBS for 120 minutes. Agar for 45 minutes.
I do not know the minimum for them... I think PC for the minimum is bad practice. IMO
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Well I guess the difficult thing is, I don't want this table to be of "What you can get away with." More like, "What ought to be fine, but you can still go over."
I wonder if it is almost an impossible endeavor, given the wide variety of opinions on the shroomery.
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Stains Blue said: I always caution on the side of error. So I cannot tell you the minimum of LME/DEX LC I PC mine for 45 minutes. My Rye grain for 120 minutes. WBS for 120 minutes. Agar for 45 minutes.
I do not know the minimum for them... I think PC for the minimum is bad practice. IMO
I agree that the minimum is bad practice, though. I guess I should call it the minimum reasonable time.
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14072045 - 03/05/11 05:47 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago) |
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I would say 30 minutes with a Malt based LC. and 15 minutes with a Dextrose based LC and 30 Minutes for a MALT/DEX LC ... I believe Malt tends to hang onto endospores so you want to PC for a minimum of 30... But to be safe I would tell someone 45 Minutes.
But again I am no expert... maybe you should wait for the opinion of someone who knows alot about LC... Not trying to throw him under the bus... But I think Hamloaf would have a good idea about all this... dude was born from a LC...
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LOL k.
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14072191 - 03/05/11 06:23 PM (13 years, 25 minutes ago) |
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Quarts of grain should be 90 minutes in my opinion not 60....
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i GrOw StUFF said: Quarts of grain should be 90 minutes in my opinion not 60....
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Now that I look at it again I think you should double check half that chart, I think that info is off....
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i GrOw StUFF said: Now that I look at it again I think you should double check half that chart, I think that info is off....
Well like I said, that's just what worked for me. I modified the grains, is there anything else off? (I live below sea level, so I might be on the lower end of things)
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Edited by Hitsuzen (03/05/11 06:48 PM)
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14073004 - 03/05/11 09:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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DrGonz0 said:
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i GrOw StUFF said: Now that I look at it again I think you should double check half that chart, I think that info is off....
Well like I said, that's just what worked for me. I modified the grains, is there anything else off? (I live below sea level, so I might be on the lower end of things)
I think BRF 1/2 pint jars should be at least 60 minutes at 15 psi....
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I agree 60 minutes minimum for BRF Jars. I had sucess with 60 minutes when I first started. But I also has some contamination with the 12 jars. And I have not had contamination issues with BRF when I started PC'ing 90 minutes. I am not sure if it was my Sterile technique or if it was my change in PC'ing times... but the contamination stopped.
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Yeah I agree, I do my BRF jars for 90 minutes at 15psi when I PC them......But I prefer to use a pot of water and steam sterilize for 2 hours....
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On second thought, it has been a while but I think I used to do 60 min as well...
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Hitsuzen]
#14073680 - 03/06/11 12:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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So... that's at sea level?
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Re: PC Time Table [Re: Doc_T]
#14073711 - 03/06/11 12:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago) |
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Doc_T said: So... that's at sea level?
OMG here come Doc...
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