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Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize?
#14071548 - 03/05/11 03:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think my myc has devoured all the BRF in my cakes, I used wayy too much spore solution on pint jars( almose 40ccs for 8 pint jars) One cake hadn't pinned in over a month and barely smelled of mushrooms, so I tore it in half, the inside smells and looks healthy but it looks like mostly smooth myc like it took over and devoured everything. If I tore into pieces and cased it with a nutritional layer could it colonize the casing and give me more pins at this point or since it has been growing so long with very few pins is it pretty much shot? Should I just crumble them and that them outside and bury them under some compost?
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14071560 - 03/05/11 04:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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wait did this cake already fruit? if so, spawning it to another bulk substrate will result in contamination.
putting it outside is your best bet for more fruits
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: k00laid]
#14071658 - 03/05/11 04:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3 of them didn't pin at all even after a second dunk they were in the jar colonizing for over a month because they were pints, I think I used wayy too much spore solution and they devoured the BRF, if I covered them in compost outside would they colonize the nutrient rich soil and "start over? The myc looks and smells healthy in the one I ripped in half but it looks like it is 90% myc with a few bits of verm here and there.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14071677 - 03/05/11 04:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you do it outside and water daily, or just use a lawn sprinkler i would bet you get fruits.
but even if the cakes didnt flush they still have spores all over them from being in a fruiting chamber rich in fresh air.
spores not of the ps.cubensis species.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14071685 - 03/05/11 04:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: 3 of them didn't pin at all even after a second dunk they were in the jar colonizing for over a month because they were pints, I think I used wayy too much spore solution and they devoured the BRF, if I covered them in compost outside would they colonize the nutrient rich soil and "start over? The myc looks and smells healthy in the one I ripped in half but it looks like it is 90% myc with a few bits of verm here and there.
Using "too much" spore solution is not going to result in any more consupmtion of the cake than using just barely enough to get a culture going.
If you're not getting fruits, it's because your fruiting environment isn't adequate, or because the culture you have is bunk.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: faceyneck]
#14071726 - 03/05/11 04:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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It was probably my syringes that I bought from a non vendor before I found this site. They were nothing but mutants pretty much, I have a few pins left on a few cakes and thats it. My SGFC is built and working like it should be. I just screwed up on jar size, if you have any grain tek links or good straw/poo casing teks Damion's 50/50 or an opionion on weather I should case or not with OHMATIC's monotub tek please help me on my almost dead thread here... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=14071170&page=0&vc=1#14071170 sorry not trying to jack your thread LOL NM this is my thread LOL
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14071744 - 03/05/11 04:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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NM I will just copy and paste it here then delete that post as not to double post because it has so many post and views that nobody replies to it anymore, too much to read.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14071749 - 03/05/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think I am going to try a hybrid mono with a filtered fan, (check link below), with very low airflow that stays on 24/7 and keeps humidity at 95+. I plan on using one of the same teks described on AMU's first page, either 13shrooms easy mono tek or OHmatic's monotub TEK on this page,( http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533599 ) with some FAE humidity experimentation during fruiting. It will take some tweaking and maybe a few holes at the top because I plan on using an aquarium humidifier, since the monotub will be aolt smaller than 55 galons I should be able to hold good humidity with constant airflow from the bottom exhaust pulling air through the top hole/s( I may also just go with two holes stuffed with polyfil, one with the exhaust fan on bottom amd one at top on same side to spin the air all around the tub)((fan at bottom corner pointed 45 degrees toward side it is near, vent hole at top on same side, top opposite corner pointed in opposite direction at a 45 degree angle, much like spraying a water hose at an angle in a bucket to make the water swirl)).
Other than that I will probably go with rye berries for thier extra flushes and moisture retention. I will probably use D's 50/50 coir tek. Unless I find one with low contam rate using H-poo and straw(been looking...). My first mono I have decided to go with the chitwans since I got them on special and then if it is successful I will do my EQ and then reaserch the PR to see what I could do to make them happy.
I am borrowing a PC, so I should be good, just need hydroton and Rye berries. I have 12 pint jars with the lids still intact so I can make inoc points on the lids, and I have two totes that werent used to make the mono and glove box.
If anyone has any suggestions on my chitwan,rye berries, Damion's50/50 tek, inoc holes, using 12 pints instead of 6 quarts(PC I am borrowing doesn't do quarts), bulk mono grow, or any other suggestions tips or criticisms please help a bro out and link me some links. I plan on starting the making if the exhaust and mono tub set up in the next few days, while I am bored from my slow arse cakes. So please respond if you have any ideas.
Wish me luck and send ideas or helpful links please, when I get this started I am going to take pics from stage one to the final flush, thanks everyone on the help on my bad first grow, I have the procedures down right to do another SG with the materials and amounts right this time but I feel like I could do bulk no problem.
P.S. The fan is just an idea to go with the high humidity output of my humidifier, I may have to put it on a timer with the fan to keep the RH up just want to test it to see if I can constantly move fresh air slowly without lowering the RH I might be able to get a massive pinset. Here is my fan idea, I would add a pipe fitting to the bottom hole to slide on the filtered fan tube with polyfil stuffed in it to restrict exhaust flow. The concept would call for top holes to make the shrooms grow up towards the supply that is slowly moving fresh air from top to bottom with the side holes taped shut during fruiting and the aquarium humidifier running how ever often it needs to to keep RH up and not saturate the sub. I will tweak the settings until I can leave the fan on for 24/hrs straight. The fan will be removable and I could just use it as a regular mono if my idea doesn't work from over saturation, not enough humidity or too little air exchange which I don't think will be a problem with proper poly fill amount in the exhaust and the adjustable fan speed.
P.P.S I am still a noob but I am very intelligent and scientific,I believe this will work due to the principles involved, take a look at my exhaust fan idea if you haven't seen it and tell me if you have a better idea, or you think I should just stick to a tek. I thought it couldn't hurt to try since the mono will be fine to use as a reg mono if I cant hold the RH.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13940122
My biggest inspiration for this is constant FAE, no fanning, set and forget till fruiting stage is up if I can get the airflow and RH right without soaking the sub. The concept is simple mount a speed controlled fan inside a pvc pipe for increased air pull and stuff the hole tight enough with polyfil to move air slowly without dropping RH, if you don't feel like reading my whole design idea that is based on a bigger grow room ventilation system, that is a breakdown of my general idea.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14072075 - 03/05/11 05:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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That was way too much to read, man. If you want responses, it'll need to be WAY cut back. Holy hell. 
I did see something about a monotub with a filtered fan attached to it I think, in that monstrous dissertation? 
No need to do that. A fan in the area where you're growing supplies constant airflow and it's filtered by the polyfil anyway.
One last thing - the polyfil does filter the air, but that's not why it's beneficial. The reason why most of us use polyfil - and the reason why everyone SHOULD use polyfil in their monotubs, if they do - is to keep in moist air.
Attaching a fan to the tub is adding more complexity and work to an ideal setup with no additional benefit.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: faceyneck]
#14072108 - 03/05/11 06:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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i will be glad to help..got to watch the game right now
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14074007 - 03/06/11 02:16 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I should've asked this initially:
Are you more interested in experimentation, or a surefire way to get great results?
Depending on your answer, my advice will differ.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: faceyneck]
#14075400 - 03/06/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am interested in surefire results first and then experimenting after I get good results because I have a PR syringe that I want to experiment with after I do the Chitwan and EQ syringe.
Chitwan 1st to learn and get surefire results, EQ Second to refine and perfect the tec with better results and then PR syringe to test out my crazy ideas. And I can't find organic rye berries in a big enough bag locally and the only place I found online was gonna be $30 shipping so I need a good source for rye berries with low shipping.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14075693 - 03/06/11 01:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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wbs is good. i started rye..went to wbs..right now have both
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14076149 - 03/06/11 03:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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For best results, grow in monotubs. Here is a great beginner method, although I'd suggest making up the bins with 2" holes.
Stuff the polyfil in the holes medium-tight during colonization, then when it's ready to fruit, loosen up the polyfil as loose as it'll go, and then turn on a fan in the room near but pointed away from the bins.
...as for rye, it's a great grain, but you simply cannot get it shipped with reasonable shipping costs. Grain is heavy.
I use milo. It's a great grain, and is also very commonly used for commercial mushroom spawn, so it's not exactly out of the ordinary. I can pick up 50lb bags for under $13.00 from a feed store about a 30-minute drive from my place. Do some shopping, and you can find it. WBS (wild bird seed) is another great spawn choice that's easy to find.
Here is a great tek that was made up by agar as a puppet of his. I don't understand why the puppetry though. 
For lids, I'd recommend combining this filtration method with this type of port.
I'll make up a tek combining the two soon. In the meantime, I do have pics of the lids without the tyvek and micrpore tape:


Just put 1-2 pieces of tyvek (I use two) and two pieces of micropore tape over the 6 little 1/16th" holes, and they're good. You can run that filter through about 4 PC cycles, then just scrape it off, and replace. 
I'd also recommend putting the lids on metal side DOWN. It makes getting the lids off a lot easier. Since air follows the path of least resistance - that being through the tyvek/tape stuff - the metal-to-glass will provide a more than adequate seal.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: faceyneck]
#14076391 - 03/06/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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faceyneck said: For best results, grow in monotubs. Here is a great beginner method, although I'd suggest making up the bins with 2" holes.
Stuff the polyfil in the holes medium-tight during colonization, then when it's ready to fruit, loosen up the polyfil as loose as it'll go, and then turn on a fan in the room near but pointed away from the bins.
...as for rye, it's a great grain, but you simply cannot get it shipped with reasonable shipping costs. Grain is heavy.
I use milo. It's a great grain, and is also very commonly used for commercial mushroom spawn, so it's not exactly out of the ordinary. I can pick up 50lb bags for under $13.00 from a feed store about a 30-minute drive from my place. Do some shopping, and you can find it. WBS (wild bird seed) is another great spawn choice that's easy to find.
Here is a great tek that was made up by agar as a puppet of his. I don't understand why the puppetry though. 
For lids, I'd recommend combining this filtration method with this type of port.
I'll make up a tek combining the two soon. In the meantime, I do have pics of the lids without the tyvek and micrpore tape:


Just put 1-2 pieces of tyvek (I use two) and two pieces of micropore tape over the 6 little 1/16th" holes, and they're good. You can run that filter through about 4 PC cycles, then just scrape it off, and replace. 
I'd also recommend putting the lids on metal side DOWN. It makes getting the lids off a lot easier. Since air follows the path of least resistance - that being through the tyvek/tape stuff - the metal-to-glass will provide a more than adequate seal.

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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14076411 - 03/06/11 04:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Like a quote straight from RR.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14076537 - 03/06/11 04:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I heard that WBS contams too easy, or easier than grain anyway.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14076574 - 03/06/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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follow that advice from faceyneck..prep for wbs is same as rye
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: 3n1gm4]
#14076678 - 03/06/11 05:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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3n1gm4 said: I heard that WBS contams too easy, or easier than grain anyway.
I assume you mean, "WBS contams too easy, or easier than rye anyway?"
I wouldn't know about that. So long as you prepare it correctly, and allow it to fully colonize, spawning to a properly pasteurized substrate, contamination risk is very low, with any grain of your choice. 
Oh, that reminds me - it's a LOT safer to prepare coir, or ANY bulk substrate really, by hydrating with warm tap water and then pasteurizing either like this or like this. The paint strainer bag can be substituted with a pillowcase, though, which is another way to pasteurize, like this, although RoadKill recommends a higher temp than I would. Pasteurization temperature range is between 140-160 degrees F. I also recommend 90 minutes, and not longer than 2 hours, for best results.
I'd think rye would be more likely to contaminate, as it's a much bigger grain and therefore less likely to fully colonize through the germ than WBS, which is mostly millet and milo. That's just my thought on the topic, though. I'm certainly no expert on this particular aspect of cultivation.
If you're concerned about it, though, go ahead and go with 100% milo or 100% millet. If you can find hard red winter wheat, that's a pretty damn good rye substitute too.
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Re: Think my BRF is eaten and long gone, few pins so far, could I case cakes and let them colonize? [Re: faceyneck]
#14076848 - 03/06/11 05:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I found some rye for $1.19 a pound at a heath food store. I will probably just get 10 pounds incase I want to do another one after this one.
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