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LuSiD9
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lye subsitutes
#14060160 - 03/03/11 01:41 PM (13 years, 2 days ago) |
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can anything else be used in place of lye during a DMT extraction?
I've read sodium carbonate can be used, is this true?... and if it is, will it effect yield or anything?
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LuSiD9
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Re: lye subsitutes [Re: LuSiD9]
#14066869 - 03/04/11 03:17 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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anyone?
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Re: lye subsitutes [Re: LuSiD9]
#14067121 - 03/04/11 04:13 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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there's a tek on dmt-nexus using d-limonene and pickling lime instead of lye and naphtha
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Re: lye subsitutes [Re: R2-D2]
#14067366 - 03/04/11 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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No.. Can not use sodium carbonate
If youre doing a base extraction... Need to use a base
NaOH is very available.... There are other teks though... Lime seems to work (CaOH) and I would put money on KOH and BaOH would work..
But, look around... Other teks work
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Re: lye subsitutes [Re: HarryL]
#14067529 - 03/04/11 05:55 PM (13 years, 1 day ago) |
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I was under the impression sodium carbonate acts as a base in solution
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Re: lye subsitutes [Re: R2-D2]
#14067673 - 03/04/11 06:30 PM (13 years, 23 hours ago) |
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It does, but A) you won't get to a sufficiently low enough p.h to extract your product efficiently and b) sodium carbonate is non-polar *won't dissolve in water* so it cannot be used.
Lye can be found on ebay for cheap. Juts aquire a sudden interest in soap making
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You can buy lye at Ace Hardware...
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chimmychainsaw said: It does, but A) you won't get to a sufficiently low enough p.h to extract your product efficiently and b) sodium carbonate is non-polar *won't dissolve in water* so it cannot be used.
 
Dont you mean he wont get a sufficient enough high ph....and sodium carbonate is polar and is extremely highly soluble in water.
You just gave about the worst info ive seen in awhile
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lol, my bad. Apparently alcohol and advice giving don't mix.
Reminds me off advice my nerd friend gave me. ''Don't drink and derive''
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Calcium oxide lime is OK but you need a soak for a day or so before adding your NP, so is sodium carbonate, lye is the best though, while potassium hydroxide is too strong. Sodium bicarbonate, ammonia, and similar stuff aren't strong enough to free the D.
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LuSiD9
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learningtofly said: You can buy lye at Ace Hardware...
I live in canada... and believe me I've searched every possible outlet that might have it around here.. even online I'm not having much luck, seems a lot of sites wont ship to canada.
I'm basically just looking for an extraction without lye, and is still noob friendly...
I just came across this one http://www.entheogen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21935
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