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The White Light
    #14071134 - 03/05/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I went there on mushrooms.  Had an ego death experienced followed by leaving this reality at the point of accepting my death and went straight into the white light.  From agony to bliss, pure contentment - nothing mattered there was happy just being counscious bathed in this light.

My friend described a very similar event when he died.  I started looking into NDE's and often they also go to the white light.  In one of the accounts the women had her relatives around her there and she asked if the white light was god and her relative replied "the light is when he breathes".

Is this just a construct of the brain?  God?  Or another dimension?

I started thinking its a real place like another dimension where our souls can exist or maybe come from.  Theres some pretty crazy evidence from the NDE people - people have seen the great grandfathers and stuff who they had never seen before then verified it after being brought back from the point of death.


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Re: The White Light [Re: nice1]
    #14071147 - 03/05/11 02:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Robert Monroe has been there and back more than once while out-of-body.


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Re: The White Light [Re: nice1]
    #14071157 - 03/05/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

A lot of people will tell you that its just a chemical reaction in the brain when you die. I don't agree with this theory. I believe there is an afterlife. There's nothing to prove my belief; guess we'll all find out eventually.


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Re: The White Light [Re: fungivore]
    #14071201 - 03/05/11 02:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

there are, from what i've read, apparently numerous 'planes of light' that one can become absorbed in during samadhi states (brought out by meditation and possibly other things)

once when i was contemplating selflessness, i kind of surrendered the body/feelings/thoughts and dissolved into a sea of golden light & bliss for a couple of hours - after i came back i felt like a lot of 'my stuff' had stayed dissolved in the light, i felt a lot freer - i think this was salvakalpa samadhi but i could be wrong

here are some great quotes on the samadhis: http://ramaquotes.com/html/samadhi.html


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Re: The White Light [Re: deff]
    #14071323 - 03/05/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting.  So is this a spontanious thing known to happen in meditation or is there a method or particular type of meditation that can cause it?

Have you ever tried using chants for meditating?


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Re: The White Light [Re: nice1]
    #14071334 - 03/05/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

i use mantras a lot for meditation, i love them

i'm not too knowledgable on what brings out samadhi states really, but i would imagine any meditation which allows for very deep mental absorption could do it - also surrender is a huge aspect too

"I respect self-giving and I've tried to lead my life with that as the ideal. But real self-giving is when we take
our being, that which is most precious to us, and we throw it into eternity with a total sense of offering."

"Who is so brave and so noble that they could hurl themselves at infinity without any question,
with complete trust and complete certainty that that infinity will destroy them forever?"


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Re: The White Light [Re: deff]
    #14071361 - 03/05/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

From Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond by Ajahn Brahm:

"This attentive stillness that is able to sustain awareness on one thing is called samadhi."

I feel I get into a samadhi state in meditation when I focus the mind very finely on thing, and one thing only - not going to into past or future, or thinking - just the stillness on one object.

A few weeks ago I was doing a rapid noting practice which switched to noting very strong vibrations in my hands. Noting became very difficult and I stopped, the hand vibrations grew then for about 3 seconds a huge shift occurred, like everything was suddenly very distant, a car sound outside that was close seemed a hundred miles away. Intensive pleasure vibrations flooded my body and my mind experienced pure bliss, I also noticed a white bright orb that took up most of my vision. Then it abruptly ended.

My meditation teacher said this sounded like I touched on the first Jhana which is what I thought. Might have also been Arising and Passing event, but I am not sure.


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Re: The White Light [Re: deff]
    #14071465 - 03/05/11 03:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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deff said:
there are, from what i've read, apparently numerous 'planes of light' that one can become absorbed in during samadhi states (brought out by meditation and possibly other things)

once when i was contemplating selflessness, i kind of surrendered the body/feelings/thoughts and dissolved into a sea of golden light & bliss for a couple of hours - after i came back i felt like a lot of 'my stuff' had stayed dissolved in the light, i felt a lot freer - i think this was salvakalpa samadhi but i could be wrong

here are some great quotes on the samadhis: http://ramaquotes.com/html/samadhi.html




I entered into Asamprajnata (Vedanta) or Nirvikalpa (Patanjali) for a brief visit in 1974. A radiance like Cherenkov radiation, plus no personal identity (Markos was gone, no name, thought, identity), only the awareness of Pure Identity, AS this boundless field of self-effulgence which was "Unbearable Compassion." When this Infinite Expanse contracted, it went from being the Infinitely Large, to becoming instantly, the Infinitely Small, as this Boundlessness became a sharp point of "Unbearable Compassion" in the suddenly manifest Heart Cave in my body, which had hitherto disappeared. I understood, first hand, the meaning of The Great Mantra of Tibet, OM MANI PADME HUM. Lama Govinda's book was the brilliant intellectual explication of this mantra, and it was right on (Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism)!. To this day, I wear a bracelet to commemorate that brief experience, which I can now only hope is similar to the Mahasamadhi at death.

http://www.selfknowledge.com/109718.htm

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Re: The White Light [Re: JohnnyZampano]
    #14071478 - 03/05/11 03:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

sounds like a great experience markos :thumbup: - i too wear an OM MANI PADME HUM bracelet and thoroughly enjoyed Lama Govinda's book :grin:

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From Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond by Ajahn Brahm:

"This attentive stillness that is able to sustain awareness on one thing is called samadhi."




i would just call that single-pointed concentration, i think of the samadhi states as much more profound than that (from what i've gathered and also my one experience). congrats on entering first jhana though :thumbup:

edit: after reading markos' link, i guess your definition would work for samadhi, and i guess the object of concentration can be either mundane (i.e. a mental formation) or supramundane (consciousness itself - as in the higher samadhis)


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Re: The White Light [Re: deff]
    #14071952 - 03/05/11 05:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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deff said:
sounds like a great experience markos :thumbup: - i too wear an OM MANI PADME HUM bracelet and thoroughly enjoyed Lama Govinda's book :grin:

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JohnnyZampano said:
From Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond by Ajahn Brahm:

"This attentive stillness that is able to sustain awareness on one thing is called samadhi."




i would just call that single-pointed concentration, i think of the samadhi states as much more profound than that (from what i've gathered and also my one experience). congrats on entering first jhana though :thumbup:

edit: after reading markos' link, i guess your definition would work for samadhi, and i guess the object of concentration can be either mundane (i.e. a mental formation) or supramundane (consciousness itself - as in the higher samadhis)





I like the definition from wikipedia more: It has been described as a non-dualistic state of consciousness in which the consciousness of the experiencing subject becomes one with the experienced object.

That sounds much more deep and profound, and when I experience that its defiantly more powerful then just having that single point of attention.

The three second taste of Jhana was pretty amazing, after a little while of trying to get back with no success I let it go, it will arise again when it does. Really showed me there is much more to life and meditation then I previously thought. And really gives new meaning to the quote: "What lies behind us and what lies before us is a small matter compared to what lies within us."


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Re: The White Light [Re: nice1]
    #14073320 - 03/05/11 10:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"the light is when he breathes".




investigate this metaphor.


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Re: The White Light [Re: JohnnyZampano]
    #14073525 - 03/05/11 11:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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A few weeks ago I was doing a rapid noting practice which switched to noting very strong vibrations in my hands. Noting became very difficult and I stopped, the hand vibrations grew then for about 3 seconds a huge shift occurred, like everything was suddenly very distant, a car sound outside that was close seemed a hundred miles away. Intensive pleasure vibrations flooded my body and my mind experienced pure bliss, I also noticed a white bright orb that took up most of my vision. Then it abruptly ended.

My meditation teacher said this sounded like I touched on the first Jhana which is what I thought. Might have also been Arising and Passing event, but I am not sure.


That sounds extremely similar to astral projection. When it happens to me I get ridiculously intense vibrations, amazing euphoria, I see a very bright white light, and I feel the presence of 'God' right in front of me.

Crazy shit.


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