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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14070569 - 03/05/11 11:49 AM (13 years, 3 hours ago)

That's the point, no one can have any idea what a real tree is. The only thing you can be sure of is "I AM" or the subjective reality I am seeing at this moment is happening. There is no other certainty. From this perspective everything that is not a subjective seeing/happening within consciousness is uncertain and the subjective seeing is only ONE thing prior to externalizing knowledge of it. Dig?


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14070593 - 03/05/11 11:57 AM (13 years, 3 hours ago)

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That's the point, no one can have any idea what a real tree is.




Nonsense of the month award.

More correct is to say that there is no real tree only various perceptions/interpretations thereof. An ant's tree is different than your tree is different than a bird's tree. However, that doesn't point to there being an ultimately 'correct' or 'real' tree in the slightest.


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #14070596 - 03/05/11 11:58 AM (13 years, 3 hours ago)

That's what I'm fucking saying lol. THERE IS NO CORRECT TREE.


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14070626 - 03/05/11 12:06 PM (13 years, 3 hours ago)

Look, I'm not saying that there is a tree or there isn't a tree or that we can see a "real" tree. I'm simply saying the there is no framework within which you have any certain idea about objective reality. So without the ideas reality appears subjectively as one, as JUST EXPERIENCE.


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14070636 - 03/05/11 12:08 PM (13 years, 3 hours ago)

Should I once again perform 'The Rock to the Back of the Head' test to volunteers to demonstrate objective reality?


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14070649 - 03/05/11 12:11 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

It still wouldn't make anything about it certain, regardless of what happens or what you say. How about you present a proper counterpoint rather than skirting the issue and not looking at what i am saying. It's that or agree.


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14070662 - 03/05/11 12:15 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

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It still wouldn't make anything about it certain, regardless of what happens




So to propose a hypothesis and a test for it is meaningless no matter the outcome?

:congrats: You have just destroyed science and my computer will stop working any sec


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14070679 - 03/05/11 12:19 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

It doesn't destroy science it's simply the truth which is that objective reality is uncertain because the person carrying out any test is already looking from a subjective viewpoint. Something is either 100% true or it's uncertain, anyone with half a brain will admit that no test is can be 100% true. Perhaps in light of that you ought to revisit what I just said and look at it. You never know, you might just get enlightened. :wink:


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14070700 - 03/05/11 12:23 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

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anyone with half a brain will admit that no test is can be 100% true




You only have half a brain? :sorry: Well I guess that explains a lot...


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14070719 - 03/05/11 12:27 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

"ignore what you are not until it kills you" ~ David Scoma


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Grapefruit]
    #14070770 - 03/05/11 12:40 PM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

There is no Scoma.


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14070941 - 03/05/11 01:23 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago)

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There is no Scoma.




Where did you provide a good point again? Looks like all you're doing is posting random antagonizing lines.


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Seanfu]
    #14070981 - 03/05/11 01:32 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago)

I nominate your response for Post Of the Month. :thumbup:


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #14071004 - 03/05/11 01:36 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago)

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I nominate your response for Post Of the Month. :thumbup:




Continuing to wait....


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Seanfu]
    #14071102 - 03/05/11 02:06 PM (13 years, 1 hour ago)

Look at his post number, I'm sure almost all of them are just as empty and without point. 'Post Ratio Troll'


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: PsylioSynethesis]
    #14072420 - 03/05/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

*holds up mirror*


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: PsylioSynethesis]
    #14072574 - 03/05/11 07:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Look at his post number, I'm sure almost all of them are just as empty and without point. 'Post Ratio Troll'





Just like the post you are making now?


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
    #14073124 - 03/05/11 10:00 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

both are cases of extreme gullibility and shameless hope for something they truly don't believe in. i'm a firm believer of if you are indeed that, there is no need whatsoever to advertise it. blatant insecurity masked under the auspice of spiritual superiority (presuming there is such a thing).


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
    #14073165 - 03/05/11 10:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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PsylioSynethesis said:
Look at his post number, I'm sure almost all of them are just as empty and without point. 'Post Ratio Troll'





Just like the post you are making now?




"Just like the post you are making now? "


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Re: Born Again vs. Enlightened [Re: Seanfu]
    #14073193 - 03/05/11 10:12 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lolsy: @ this thread

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