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paulbrooks
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need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world)
#14070490 - 03/05/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey folks so ive been trying to avoid posting for several months cuz all the info i need is on the forums n stuff, but my foaf is not the smartest person in the world and i think my foaf needs some personal training.
my foaf has been doing pf tek for some time now and def understands the concept of fungus, humidity etc. now recently he has bought some wbs, coco coir with some fiber in it, dolomitic lime, verm (he's trying to move on beyond noob status) my foaf's understanding is casing wbs immediately= not that great. its good to spawn to coco coir (mushrooms used are z strain psilocybe cubensis) (my foaf has no poo or straw). so questions are (if you are answering answer in accordance to number or ill be lost): 1.) does my foaf pasteurize or sterilize the coco coir substrate? also is it ok that it is coir and fiber? its about 75% coir 25% fiber or so 2.)will casing def improve yield or is it preference/worth it for a noob? 3.) say the substrate is looking dry (at any point). when my foaf mists the substrate or casing should the water be sterile too? 4.) when putting in the fruiting chamber does everything need to be sterile? like the fruiting chamber itself, the air thats around it etc 5.) easiest method for the bulk spawn to be in? like is monotub the easiest? or trays into fruiting chamber? (my foaf is a noob just keep that in mind lol) 6.) this is a weird question or maybe just stupider but: what can my foaf get away with in terms of sterility that ppl have found dont matter all that much? ending note:(please be experienced) i hear a lot ppl just say stuff thats wrong cuz theyre weird.
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: paulbrooks]
#14070539 - 03/05/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi and welcome to the shroomery.
1)Bucket tek. Go here. 2)A casing is a non-nutritious layer we apply in order to create a better microclimate for the mycelium to grow. So the answer is: no, it wont improve your yield. 3)No. 4)No. 5)Your choice. They are both easy. 6)Sterility is possibly the most important thing in this hobby.
Also do not use dolomitic lime. Buy hydrated lime.
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: paulbrooks]
#14070559 - 03/05/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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1.) does my foaf pasteurize or sterilize the coco coir substrate? also is it ok that it is coir and fiber? its about 75% coir 25% fiber or so
There wont be a problem. you dont sterilize it.. just boil a gallon of water, set the coir brick in a 5 gallon bucket with some vermiculite, pour water in, cover, stir one hour later, cover, let cool, ues
2.)will casing def improve yield or is it preference/worth it for a noob?
it all depends on the grower.. what kind of fruiting chamber are you going to use? if you toss it into a monotub, then i wouldnt worry about casing, as you can get just as good results, without that extra step.. but its all up to you.. you can go either way.
3.) say the substrate is looking dry (at any point). when my foaf mists the substrate or casing should the water be sterile too?
boiling some water for 20 minutes, then keep that water in a spray bottle (for use when cool.. lol) is a good idea.. nice little step that doesnt take too much time.. If you prepped your substrate right, it will carry you through the first flush for sure.. when you introduce fruiting conditions, you passively mist until you see pins, then stop, and wait for your goodies..
4.) when putting in the fruiting chamber does everything need to be sterile? like the fruiting chamber itself, the air thats around it etc
you want everything as clean as possible.. I do it almost to obsession.. My grow are and work area are both in my closet, which is big enough for me to work and fruit.. a mild bleach/water solution in a spray bottle, rubbing alcohol, latex gloves, mask, hydrogen peroxide, etc etc etc.. all of this stuff is within arms reach in the work area, so that I dont have to get out of the area from start to finish.. Keep yourself clean, clean out the tubs well after each use.. same for the jars.. its too much to cover in one breath.. if you think it needs to be cleaned, then clean it.. lol..
5.) easiest method for the bulk spawn to be in? like is monotub the easiest? or trays into fruiting chamber? (my foaf is a noob just keep that in mind lol)
again, thats all on the grower.. I have seen people fuck up soooo bad on PF cakes, then turn around and try grain for the first time, and succeed where they had previously failed.. Monotubs are nice, marthas are nice.. how much room do you have to work with?
6.) this is a weird question or maybe just stupider but: what can my foaf get away with in terms of sterility that ppl have found dont matter all that much? ending note:(please be experienced) i hear a lot ppl just say stuff thats wrong cuz theyre weird.
"what can my foaf get away with in terms of sterility"? thinking that way, then nothing.. lol.. if you cut corners on basic sterile procedure, then you are going to have problems.. get a pressure cooker, if you dont have one already, as you cannot boil grains.. PC any metal instruments to sterilize them.. clean out your work area VERY well, spray down with mild bleach/water solution.. prep your work and grow area, so everything is in there.. and much much more.. lol.. start searching for sterile techniques on the forums and get a better idea of what you can do for your grow area
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paulbrooks
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14070767 - 03/05/11 12:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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my foaf has a 10 gal opaque tub for space. i think monotub will be his best bet. so my foaf cant use dolomitic limestone due to the high amounts of Mg i think. so say he used a small amount of it to initially make the substrate alkaline but also add egg shells (around 80% calcium carbonate) to maintain ph over time? he has access to sheet rock which is gypsum, would that be better?
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: paulbrooks]
#14070792 - 03/05/11 12:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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paulbrooks said: my foaf has a 10 gal opaque tub for space. i think monotub will be his best bet. so my foaf cant use dolomitic limestone due to the high amounts of Mg i think. so say he used a small amount of it to initially make the substrate alkaline but also add egg shells (around 80% calcium carbonate) to maintain ph over time? he has access to sheet rock which is gypsum, would that be better?
dont make it any harder than it already is..
I usually only add verm and water to my coir, and never have an issue.. some people like to add spent coffee grounds, as well.. other than that, dont get too crazy with adding stuff..
keep it simple this time around.. verm, water, coir..
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: paulbrooks]
#14070969 - 03/05/11 01:28 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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You want to use lime for casings. Use gypsum for your bulk substrates. Also, like I said before, there is no need to use boiled water to mist your trays. Tap water is ok.
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: LeopardMan]
#14071045 - 03/05/11 01:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said: You want to use lime for casings. Use gypsum for your bulk substrates. Also, like I said before, there is no need to use boiled water to mist your trays. Tap water is ok.
yeah.. it totally is.. lol.. and like i said before.. im massively over paranoid about it.. haha.. fact is, i dont even drink tap water unless its been filtered.. im a weirdo..
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paulbrooks
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14071079 - 03/05/11 01:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks man i read your coir tek. the only change would be a monotub cuz my foaf has polyfill lol. so my foaf is not gonna worry about ph this time around or casing. should he sterilize the polyfill too? its been sitting around for years now. so basically just a run down: colonize wbs (he has a pressure canner, great for cooking and saving money lol) spawn to pasteurized coco with verm in a monotub. cover with plastic wrap and put opaque cover over it. keep monotub covered with opaque cover for about 5 days with polyfill holes plugged up with duct tape so mycelium does its thing. then take tape off of holes, remove opaque cover so light can get in through the plastic wrap. would a low powered fan near the polyfill be good for better fae? also decrease temp for 12 hours or so to help initiate pinning. observe magic?
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: paulbrooks]
#14071092 - 03/05/11 02:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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pretty much..
no.. you dont have to sterilize the polyfill..
and dont really do it by days.. like, it may take 5 days, but it may take more, or it make take less.. basically, during that part, once you see the visible part of the substrate to be fully colonized, leave it covered for another 24-48 hours.. this way you can be certain that all the inside is colonized, as well..
then introduce fruiting conditions..
I wouldnt worry about temp decrease.. just let it do its thing
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paulbrooks
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#14071135 - 03/05/11 02:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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awesome. yeah hell go by what he sees rather than arbitrary numbers. thanks a lot! wont matting be an issue if it colonizes the whole surface? or does this pertain to casing only?
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Re: need help/ lost soul in a tumultous world(mushroom world) [Re: paulbrooks]
#14072735 - 03/05/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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paulbrooks said: hey folks so ive been trying to avoid posting for several months cuz all the info i need is on the forums n stuff, but my foaf is not the smartest person in the world and i think my foaf needs some personal training.
my foaf has been doing pf tek for some time now and def understands the concept of fungus, humidity etc. now recently he has bought some wbs, coco coir with some fiber in it, dolomitic lime, verm (he's trying to move on beyond noob status) my foaf's understanding is casing wbs immediately= not that great. its good to spawn to coco coir (mushrooms used are z strain psilocybe cubensis) (my foaf has no poo or straw). so questions are (if you are answering answer in accordance to number or ill be lost): 1.) does my foaf pasteurize or sterilize the coco coir substrate? also is it ok that it is coir and fiber? its about 75% coir 25% fiber or so 2.)will casing def improve yield or is it preference/worth it for a noob? 3.) say the substrate is looking dry (at any point). when my foaf mists the substrate or casing should the water be sterile too? 4.) when putting in the fruiting chamber does everything need to be sterile? like the fruiting chamber itself, the air thats around it etc 5.) easiest method for the bulk spawn to be in? like is monotub the easiest? or trays into fruiting chamber? (my foaf is a noob just keep that in mind lol) 6.) this is a weird question or maybe just stupider but: what can my foaf get away with in terms of sterility that ppl have found dont matter all that much? ending note:(please be experienced) i hear a lot ppl just say stuff thats wrong cuz theyre weird.
you dont need lime if you arent going to do casings
i tried out casings and found them to kind of be a pain in the arse
but i do have time in my day to make sure the mushies are fanned/misted
id forget the lime and pick up some gypsum instead.
also adding used coffee grounds to you mix will help increase your yields and they dont cost much (free if you are lucky)
u want to sterilize the coir, i personally make a bulk sub that includes a lot more ingredients than coir. you can get a big ol bag of black kow for under 10 bucks and a bag of black hen for about the same and they will help with your yields as well
i like RRs pasteurizing technique but i kinda cheat a little to make my life easier. ask me if you are interested
monotubs are pretty dope but they can be a pain in the ass as well
dunking a monotub is kinda an ordeal but it isnt too bad
i moved from monotubs to kitty litter trays
pretty inexpensive for the trays and a lot easier to dunk
also if a monotub gets a little contam then the whole thing is gone so smaller trays can be good because you dont have all eggs in one basket
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