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OfflineTheThinker
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Fear of Sharia Law
    #14070374 - 03/05/11 10:59 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I can't help but notice the constant yammering from the right that it is the intent of hundreds of millions of Muslims to enact Sharia Law on the U.S.

This not only flies in the face of reason, but there is no evidence supporting the claims. I will post some links here to help fight the fear mongering should you run up against it.


The rise of anti-Muslim sentiment in America has brought with it a wave of largely-unsubstantiated suggestions from conservative media commentators and politicians that America is at risk of falling under the sway of Sharia law.

First, a definition: Sharia law is strict Islamic law. It is designed to guide devout Muslims in their personal and professional dealings, and has been used by the Taliban and others to justify limits on women's rights and harsh punishments, including amputation and stoning. (It is open to interpretation, however; here's a helpful backgrounder from the Council on Foreign Relations.)
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"They are building mosques all over the place," the questioner told Angle. "They want to build one near [ground zero]. And they seem to be getting their way. On a TV program just last night I saw that they are taking over a city in Michigan."

After stating that the "militant terrorist situation" in question "isn't a widespread thing," Angle said this: "First of all, Dearborn, Michigan, and Frankford, Texas are on American soil, and under Constitutional law. Not Sharia law. And I don't know how that happened in the United States."

"It seems to me there is something fundamentally wrong with allowing a foreign system of law to even take hold in any municipality or government situation in our United States," she added.

The statement drew a rebuke from Dearborn Mayor Jack O' Reilly, who said Angle "doesn't know what she's talking about." (As for Frankford, it reportedly doesn't exist, but is a former town annexed into Dallas 35 years ago.) The Dearborn claim may have been grounded in the arrest of four Christian evangelists for disorderly conduct at an Arab cultural festival in June, which some conservatives took as evidence that Sharia law had come to Michigan.
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At the Values Voters summit in September, Newt Gingrich said - to a standing ovation - that "[w]e should have a federal law that says Sharia law cannot be recognized by any court in the United States." He has also warned that jihadists are trying "to replace Western civilization with a radical imposition of Sharia."

To support his argument, Gingrich cites a 2009 judgment in New Jersey that a man had not sexually assaulted his wife because his behavior was "consistent with his practices." The decision was later overturned, and stands as "the one and only instance of stealth sharia that anyone has been able to find," according to the Washington Post's Eugene Robinson.
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But considering that there are perhaps two million Muslims in the United States, a country with a population of more than 310 million, fears of an outbreak of Sharia law seem overblown at best. Even if there is somehow a serious push for the imposition of Sharia law - or any other religious law - it would quickly run up against the first amendment to the Constitution.

"Were not going to see hand chopping off, were not going to see retaliatory violence, we're not going to see underage marriages, were not going to see polygamous marriages," Clark Lombardi of the University of Washington Law School told NPR. "The U.S. courts simply wouldn't do it."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-2...03544.html


Although Shariah is often simply and falsely equated with Islamic law, by many Muslims and non-Muslims alike, it should not be. Shariah refers to God's Will, laws, principles and values, found in the Quran and the traditions of the Prophet. Islamic law is the product of early jurists who interpreted and developed during it in the early Islamic centuries. Therefore, Islamic law is the product not only of the divine revelation and guidance but also of religious scholars reasoning and interpretation, their attempt to formulate a blueprint, for individuals and society, for personal and public life. Moreover, the early framers developed Islamic law in and for Islamic empires and societies, not for Muslims living permanently in non-Muslim societies. While it was expected that Muslims (traders, scholars and others) might live for a time outside the lands of Islam, the expected ideal was to live in a Muslim society and there was no felt need to develop a law for permanent minority communities.
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Many reformers note that Muslims in the West, like other Europeans and Americans, share an identity informed by multiple sub-cultures. Muslims are Muslim by religion and French, British, German, American by culture. Like Roman Catholic reformers in the 20th century, who faced a similar question regarding Catholic life and loyalty in a non-Catholic secular society where some of its laws and cultural practices differed from the teachings of their faith, Muslim reformers argue that to embrace secularism and an open society is not a betrayal of Muslim principles for it enables all citizens to live together and the necessary condition for religious freedom--for Muslims and others.
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But what do Muslim do when in some instances American laws are contrary to their beliefs? Respond in the same way as members of other faith traditions --by recognizing the democratic process and pluralistic nature of society and, if one wishes, work within the system to change it through lobbying the government concerning laws and appointments of Supreme Court judges just as many Americans, of all faiths and of no faith, have done on issues like prayer in the schools and abortion.
http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfait...ariah.html


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070390 - 03/05/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Nobody does fear better than America.:thumbup:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070397 - 03/05/11 11:04 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Nobody does fear better than America.:thumbup:




Sadly, this is true.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070413 - 03/05/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Their intent is to convert people to Islam and use Islamic law all around the world, not in the US alone.  The threat of that actually happening in the US is low, our future is going to be a catholic/secular Hispanic one.  But Europe is sure a prime target.  They import Muslims as fast as they can, and Muslim majorities in Europe are the future.  Islamic law is a valid threat for Europe over the next couple hundred years.  I hope the future Muslim, European citizens embrace secularism, but I'm not convinced they will.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070435 - 03/05/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The scardypancers always try to frame their chickenshit cowardice as strength and/or bravery.

"I was brave enough to crap my pance on 9/11. Were you?"


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070436 - 03/05/11 11:12 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Their intent is to convert people to Islam and use Islamic law all around the world, not in the US alone.  The threat of that actually happening in the US is low, our future is going to be a catholic/secular Hispanic one.  But Europe is sure a prime target.  They import Muslims as fast as they can, and Muslim majorities in Europe are the future.  Islamic law is a valid threat for Europe over the next couple hundred years.  I hope the future Muslim, European citizens embrace secularism, but I'm not convinced they will.




It is the intent of most religions to convert people to their particular brand of The Truth™.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070456 - 03/05/11 11:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Thats mostly true.  But not all want law based off of their holy book, and not all are willing to commit violence to do it.  Forcing a false equivalence between all religions is a diversion and a retreat, usually done by the overly politically correct who cannot bear to believe that one group kills more than another.  The fact is, the vast majority of all violent conflicts on the planet right now involve Muslims.  That is simple accounting.  It hasn't always been this way, it wont always be this way, but it is this way right now.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070461 - 03/05/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Their intent is to convert people to Islam and use Islamic law all around the world, not in the US alone.  The threat of that actually happening in the US is low, our future is going to be a catholic/secular Hispanic one.  But Europe is sure a prime target.  They import Muslims as fast as they can, and Muslim majorities in Europe are the future.  Islamic law is a valid threat for Europe over the next couple hundred years.  I hope the future Muslim, European citizens embrace secularism, but I'm not convinced they will.





In the same way that Christianity is a threat to much of the world. Take a look at history.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070468 - 03/05/11 11:22 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:foreheadslap:  There is that false equivalence, diversion again.

Yea, I know history.  Im talking about right now though.  Im not scared of Christians now for the same reason Im not afraid of the Germans or Italians.  They arnt on the warpath these days.  :kingtard:


edit - And of course, if I were transported back in time about a thousand years I would seek refuge in a more tolerant and secular Islamic society, and use simple accounting to know that I should fear/oppose the Christians more than the Muslims.  Put me in twentieth century Europe, and I will fear/oppose the secular and atheists most.


Edited by DieCommie (03/05/11 11:30 AM)


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070521 - 03/05/11 11:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Many Christians are on the warpath in America right now against fellow citizens and I "fear" them much more than any Muslim.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070548 - 03/05/11 11:42 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think that is an irrational fear.  There is very little violence committed in the US or the world in the name of Christianity these days.  Here in the states, if I get attacked or murdered it will most likely be by a cop or by a violent drug dealer/gang.  Most violence done these days is in the name of a secular political cause or Islam.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070549 - 03/05/11 11:43 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Many Christians are on the warpath in America right now against fellow citizens and I "fear" them much more than any Muslim.



What? 
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Icelander said:


In the same way that Christianity is a threat to much of the world. Take a look at history.




What threat?  I am not aware of any violent efforts to convert people to Christianity


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14070568 - 03/05/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not aware of any violent threats to convert me to Islam.  To my knowledge no one but Christians have ever killed anyone here for providing abortions.  Or threatened homosexuals in my country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/28/scott-roeder-abortion-doctor-killer
As Frank said they're dangerous and ugly on the side.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070581 - 03/05/11 11:53 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I think that is an irrational fear.  There is very little violence committed in the US or the world in the name of Christianity these days.  Here in the states, if I get attacked or murdered it will most likely be by a cop or by a violent drug dealer/gang.  Most violence done these days is in the name of a secular political cause or Islam.





Not all threats come in the form of violence. Christians in this country would indeed rewrite the laws to conform to their holy book and in fact are trying to do exactly that. Examine abortion, birth control, womens rights to a lesser degree, blue laws, prayer in schools, In God We Trust on our money, prayer to open senate meetings, I could go on.

The pen is mightier than the sword at a distance of greater than ten feet.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070607 - 03/05/11 12:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well, that is democracy... what can you do?  You would deny them the right to push their agenda?  Then what happens when nobody will stand up for your right to push an agenda? 

From my vantage point, I see this secular/christian country has legalized abortion, legalized birth control, given women full rights, repealed blue laws, respected the right to pray or not pray in schools.  So what if it says In God we Trust on our money?  So what if a Senator prays in the Senate?  Religion, as annoying as it is, is not banned in the US.

You are drawing a false equivalence between praying in the senate and a violent global movement.  This is what white guilt and political correctness do, they compel you to minimize widespread violence because it is not committed by whites, and focus on anything you can find wrong with "white people's civilization".

In reading your posts I think think you are consumed with debilitating white guilt and political correctness.  Im sure you disagree, but I dont have much more to comment beyond that.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070615 - 03/05/11 12:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm not aware of any violent threats to convert me to Islam.  To my knowledge no one but Christians have ever killed anyone here for providing abortions.  Or threatened homosexuals in my country.




By expressing a desire to impose sharia law they are threatening homosexuals.  As far as Christians killing abortion doctors I think we have one abortion doctor who has accounted for more infant murders than the toal number of doctors who have been killed.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/28/scott-roeder-abortion-doctor-killer
As Frank said they're dangerous and ugly on the side.




Frank said a lot of things.  You're only more concerned with mild Christians because there are relatively few Muzzies and you are not well.  In the rest of the great wide world there are just as many Muzzies and a lot, hundreds of millions want to put you to the sword.  Good thing they are the most inept jackasses you could ask for in an adversary.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070627 - 03/05/11 12:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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TheThinker said:
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DieCommie said:
I think that is an irrational fear.  There is very little violence committed in the US or the world in the name of Christianity these days.  Here in the states, if I get attacked or murdered it will most likely be by a cop or by a violent drug dealer/gang.  Most violence done these days is in the name of a secular political cause or Islam.





Not all threats come in the form of violence. Christians in this country would indeed rewrite the laws to conform to their holy book and in fact are trying to do exactly that. Examine abortion, birth control, womens rights to a lesser degree, blue laws, prayer in schools, In God We Trust on our money, prayer to open senate meetings, I could go on.





I'm sure you will.  The problem is that there is a difference between violent overthrow and voting overthrow.

Women's rights my ass.  Try getting custody as a divorced father.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070652 - 03/05/11 12:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, that is democracy... what can you do?  You would deny them the right to push their agenda?  Then what happens when nobody will stand up for your right to push an agenda? 

From my vantage point, I see this Christian country has legalized abortion, legalized birth control, given women full rights, repealed blue laws, respected the right to pray or not pray in schools.  So what if it says In God we Trust on our money?  So what if a Senator prays in the Senate?  Religion, as annoying as it is, is not banned in the US.

You are drawing a false equivalence between praying in the senate and a violent global movement.  This is what white guilt and political correctness do, they compel you to minimize widespread violence because it is not committed by whites, and focus on anything you can find wrong with "white people's civilization".

In reading your posts I think think you are consumed with debilitating white guilt and political correctness.  Im sure you disagree, but I dont have much more to comment beyond that.




Don't waste your time, trying to reason with some people is like banging your head against a brick wall.

Fundamentalist muslims are some of the most intolerant people in the world. Yet these so called free thinkers will defend them to the death, while they bitch at you for being "intolerant".


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070657 - 03/05/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Well, that is democracy... what can you do?  You would deny them the right to push their agenda?  Then what happens when nobody will stand up for your right to push an agenda? 

From my vantage point, I see this Christian country has legalized abortion, legalized birth control, given women full rights, repealed blue laws, respected the right to pray or not pray in schools.  So what if it says In God we Trust on our money?  So what if a Senator prays in the Senate?  Religion, as annoying as it is, is not banned in the US.

You are drawing a false equivalence between praying in the senate and a violent global movement.  This is what white guilt and political correctness do, they compel you to minimize widespread violence because it is not committed by whites, and focus on anything you can find wrong with "white people's civilization".

In reading your posts I think think you are consumed with debilitating white guilt and political correctness.  Im sure you disagree, but I dont have much more to comment beyond this post.





Good grief. I have no 'white guilt'. I do however listen to differing opinions on subjects that I find interesting and then try to flesh out where the truth is.

Abortion and homosexuality is under attack here every day.

You are drawing a false equivalence between Islam as a whole and a handful of extremists.

# Women hold only 17% of the seats in Congress. (Source)
# Only 22% of all statewide elective executive office positions are currently held by women. (Source)
# State Legislatures are only 24% women. (Source)
# Only 6 out of 50 states have a female governor. (Source)
# The United States trails behind much of the world—ranking 90th in the number of women in our national legislature. (*Note: The U.S. is listed as 73rd, but after accounting for tied rankings of other countries, the ranking for the U.S. is 90th. Source)
# On average, male cabinet appointees outnumber women cabinet appointees in our states by a ratio of 2 to 1.  (Source)
http://www.wcffoundation.org/pages/research/women-in-politics-statistics.html

At least two states are trying to pass laws to investigate miscarriages to see if they were deliberate or not, this is an attempt to redefine when life begins.

With very few exceptions try to get married as a homosexual. Even if you do, the chances are good it will not be recognized in another state.

You claim white guilt, but in reality it is about equal rights. For everyone.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070677 - 03/05/11 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You are drawing a false equivalence between Islam as a whole and a handful of extremists.




Handful?  You think active violence in Spain, the US, England, France, Chechnya, Israel, Sudan, Somalia, Sir Lanka, Kashmir, Phillipeans constitute a handful?  You would equate this global violence to females not getting elected as much as males and people opposing abortion?  Give me a break, you are consumed with guilt.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070688 - 03/05/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"With very few exceptions try to get married as a homosexual. Even if you do, the chances are good it will not be recognized in another state"

Boo hoo,  In iran they chop your head off.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070695 - 03/05/11 12:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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You are drawing a false equivalence between Islam as a whole and a handful of extremists.




Handful?  You think active violence in Spain, the US, England, France, Chechnya, Israel, Sudan, Somalia, Sir Lanka, Kashmir, Phillipeans constitute a handful?  You would equate this global violence to females not getting elected as much as males and people opposing abortion?  Give me a break, you are consumed with guilt.





You seem to enjoy parroting the guilt thing. The truth is that you know nothing about me at all. In fact I don't think you really understand what the white guilt really is.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Sticky Green]
    #14070698 - 03/05/11 12:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why is the government invested in what is otherwise a private contract at all?


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14070752 - 03/05/11 12:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What is it you are afraid is going to happen Zap?


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14070756 - 03/05/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

By expressing a desire to impose sharia law they are threatening homosexuals.  As far as Christians killing abortion doctors I think we have one abortion doctor who has accounted for more infant murders than the toal number of doctors who have been killed.

Infant murders. :rofl2:  Don't ever move to Oregon cause we kill old people too. Boogey Man Alert.

I say fuck all the religious fools who want to impose their superstitious beliefs on me by voting or otherwise.  But I'm going to deal with the insane Christians first and then I can go after people who aren't yet infesting my back yard.

And what do I care about the rest of the world where they practice socialism and other atrocities? They can deal with it. And the sword is nothing. Most Christians want to see me in hell burning for eternity cause it's fine with me if a woman wants to control her own body and it's fine with me if someone is gay and it's fine with me if you want to ingest mushrooms or have sex outside of marriage.

Oh and by the way I noticed your personalism. But the truth is I'm way weller than you'll ever be.


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Edited by Icelander (03/05/11 12:54 PM)


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070773 - 03/05/11 12:40 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I call it like I see it.  You started a thread on Islam and Sharia Law, and for some reason started ranting about abortion, gay rights and christians as though that some how minimizes or even justifies the topic of the original post.  That is a non-sequitur and classic white guilt behavior.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070824 - 03/05/11 12:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I call it like I see it.  You started a thread on Islam and Sharia Law, and for some reason started ranting about abortion, gay rights and christians as though that some how minimizes or even justifies the topic of the original post.  That is a non-sequitur and classic white guilt behavior.





Pathetic. Making a comparison to different religions is and should remain a part of this discussion. Oh, and you haven't even seen anything from me that is a rant, trust me on this.

MUSLIMS CONDEMN VIOLENCE

Receiving far less attention are regular statements from the Islamic Society of North America, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations strongly condemning any violence perpetrated in the name of Islam.

"The Fiqh Council of North America wishes to reaffirm Islam's condemnation of terrorism and religious extremism," the council said in a 2008 fatwa, or religious ruling.

"Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism."

Both Muslim and non-Muslim religious scholars generally support that view of the faith's mainstream, but for many Americans extremist actions have had more resonance than the moderate majority's words and practices.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/08/20/us-usa-mosque-idUSTRE67J45U20100820

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Friskies]
    #14070829 - 03/05/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What is it you are afraid is going to happen Zap?



I expect there will be continued violence from the nutlogs but no legislative triumphs to speak of.  They are a marginal cult of death that will mature beyond it's insecurity long before it can establish any legal toehold here.  The pantywaists in Canada and Europe will have far greater trouble.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070834 - 03/05/11 12:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well as in our pet Religion (that came out of the fucking middle east:braindamage:) fanatics are pretty normal fare and so imo there is something to fear from both of them.

I have little doubt that were christians fully in power in this country I would be put to death or imprisoned.


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    #14070839 - 03/05/11 12:59 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Christians are fully in power.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070845 - 03/05/11 01:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Well as in our pet Religion (that came out of the fucking middle east:braindamage:) fanatics are pretty normal fare and so imo there is something to fear from both of them.

I have little doubt that were christians fully in power in this country I would be put to death or imprisoned.





Nonsense, there would be re-education camps for that sort of thing. Calling it imprisonment would be punishable by even more re-education. :grin:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14070893 - 03/05/11 01:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Then unless you agree with that it's your duty to start a revolution.  I mean if you are a real patriot and such.:lol:


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    #14070900 - 03/05/11 01:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Then unless you agree with that it's your duty to start a revolution.  I mean if you are a real patriot and such.:lol:



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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14070908 - 03/05/11 01:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Separation of church and state.


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    #14070926 - 03/05/11 01:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Separation of church and state.



Does that mean you think only atheists can hold office?:flowstone:

Most of the country and most of the government are Christians.  It's a fact.  They are in power.  Have been for a long long time.  Amazingly your head is still attached, though hanging by a thread since you no longer support me for ruler of all the universes.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14070952 - 03/05/11 01:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Separation of church and state.





Whoops. That is a one way street. There is no provision preventing religion from trying to manipulate government, just the government from interfering with religion, as in a state religion.


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


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    #14070983 - 03/05/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Separation of church and state.



Does that mean you think only atheists can hold office?:flowstone:

Most of the country and most of the government are Christians.  It's a fact.  They are in power.  Have been for a long long time.  Amazingly your head is still attached, though hanging by a thread since you no longer support me for ruler of all the universes.





An atheist or even an agnostic can't be in office here I thought that was the law. :lol:

Yeah I guess it's obvious they are in power but not full control like the Catholic church used to be. :lol:

But that's my point I could care less about a few fucked up Muslims when my country is littered with the worst religious trash imaginable. 

Yeah Frank did say a lot of things and he warned us about the religious folk in this country.  No where to my knowledge did he have one good thing to say about any of them and he wrote a fuck of a lot about them.



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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14070985 - 03/05/11 01:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

not surprisingly..the far right that claims to be so vehemently opposed to sharia law mean no less than to impose it in the US...the only difference is that one version says "allah" and the other says "jesus"...


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    #14071033 - 03/05/11 01:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I believe Frank didn't have a problem with people being religious as he had with organized religion, which goes more to his disdain for organization than it does to religion.  Consider his grand treatise on unions

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We are millions 'n' millions
We're coming to get you
We're protected by unions
So don't let it upset you
Can't escape the conclusion
It's probably God's Will
That civilization
Will grind to a standstill
And we are the people
Who will make it all happen
While yer children is sleepin',
Yer puppy is crappin'
You might call us Flakes
Or something else you might coin us
But we know you're so greedy
That you'll probably join us
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
We're comin' to get you, we're comin' to get you
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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14071057 - 03/05/11 01:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What does unions have to do with this thread?:confused:

I know he had a problem with organized religion. and that's basically what is running this "democracy" as you pointed out. This is a thread about the treat of religious fanaticism imo not unions.


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    #14071086 - 03/05/11 02:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I just tossed that in there as an example of his disgust for organizations, not personal religious beliefs per se.


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    #14071097 - 03/05/11 02:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What does unions have to do with this thread?:confused:

I know he had a problem with organized religion. and that's basically what is running this "democracy" as you pointed out. This is a thread about the treat of religious fanaticism imo not unions.




I didn't say organized religion was running the country.  I said most of the people and representatives are Christians.


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    #14071114 - 03/05/11 02:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The reason the religious are in power in this country is because they are organized.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14071127 - 03/05/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

All Abrahamic religions have messianic prophecies where everyone converts to said religion in the end and follows it's particular laws.


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    #14071139 - 03/05/11 02:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The difference being OUR GAWD needs a bunch of people to burn in HELL.:hellfire: So converting everyone is not an option.

These Middle Eastern religions suck imo.


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    #14071150 - 03/05/11 02:19 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The reason the religious are in power in this country is because they are organized.



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    #14071156 - 03/05/11 02:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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All Abrahamic religions have messianic prophecies where everyone converts to said religion in the end and follows it's particular laws.



Prophecies of what will occur are not the same as demands that the flock make it occur.


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    #14071176 - 03/05/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

k, but they all do demand their flock to make it occur.


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    #14071182 - 03/05/11 02:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The last election just laid the foundation of the next 500 years of Dark Ages.
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    #14071256 - 03/05/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The last election just laid the foundation of the next 500 years of Dark Ages.
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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14071257 - 03/05/11 02:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lol, christianity has been so perverted from its origins it's funny to see people claim USA is a christian nation...  more like a nation that likes churches and books and robes and big crosses, and bad people go to hell and stuff.  it's like the saturday morning cartoon version of christianity.


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    #14071259 - 03/05/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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k, but they all do demand their flock to make it occur.



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    #14071308 - 03/05/11 02:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The last election just laid the foundation of the next 500 years of Dark Ages.
-- Frank Zappa, in 1981



Yeah.  Not exactly Nostradamus, is he?




Nostradamus was wrong. :thumbup:

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    #14071369 - 03/05/11 03:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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    #14071379 - 03/05/11 03:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I guess you like to pick an choose with your God. :lol:  Most of the religious are like that. :satansmoking:


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    #14071410 - 03/05/11 03:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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k, but they all do demand their flock to make it occur.



No they don't




Why don't to so fervently defend Islam in this manner when the OP says it?



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    #14071599 - 03/05/11 04:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

No, they fucking don't and I'm an atheist.  The only ones who want to chop  my head of for that are Muzzies.


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    #14071699 - 03/05/11 04:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I had a Christian woman tell me I should be shot for saying that others  being gay was fine with me.

Just give the ignorant enough power and I'm a dead man. I'm sorry you think Christians are misguided but harmless. History has not shown this to be true.


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    #14071718 - 03/05/11 04:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I had a Christian woman tell me I should be shot for saying that others  being gay was fine with me.

Just give the ignorant enough power and I'm a dead man. I'm sorry you think Christians are misguided but harmless. History has not shown this to be true.



History meaning several centuries ago?  They're done with it.  Fred Phelps is an extreme aberration.  Anwar al Awlaki is not.


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    #14071751 - 03/05/11 04:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well it's not just cutting your head off. It's breaking into your culture and raping it as was done to the American Indians. And again that women who wanted me shot was not two centuries old.  She was that ugly however. Again if you really believe Christians are harmless I have to question your sanity. They would if possible make personal freedom in this country even more of a joke than it already is.  Death is not the only thing one need fear.


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    #14071780 - 03/05/11 04:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Who said anything about chopping heads? 

"Qur'an (2:256) "Let there be no compulsion in religion"

Granted muslims have a record of violent forced conversion, as do the other religions, but forced conversion is an belief that hold a minority among Muslims, and is arguably un-Islamic.

My original point is that The Abrahamic religions demand their flocks to believe in their particular prophecies, and their prophecies say that everyone will eventually convert to that said religion.

Thus by nature of believing in said Abrahamic religion, said religion demands all followers hold the beliefs that all will eventually convert.

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    #14071839 - 03/05/11 05:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I do not believe that is in the Torah.  The Jews are actually quite skeptical of converts, in spite of your tortured reasoning.


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    #14071843 - 03/05/11 05:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That woman was, as I said aberrant.  And fuck the Amer-Indian bullshit.  They were conquerors themselves.


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    #14071882 - 03/05/11 05:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Almost all if not all peoples are conquerors.

That's really what all this is about. You want to conquer rather than be conquered.  It's as simple as that.

Oh by the way what happened to the American Indians wasn't bullshit. It's what happens. I have no illusions of them being the good guy but what we did was particularly brutal in our conquering.

That woman is not aberrant. I've traveled in the south east and been to some of these baptist churches. I used to be a Christian.  I know how they think and what would happen if they had the resources. 


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    #14071902 - 03/05/11 05:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Almost all if not all peoples are conquerors.

That's really what all this is about. You want to conquer rather than be conquered.  It's as simple as that.

Oh by the way what happened to the American Indians wasn't bullshit. It's what happens. I have no illusions of them being the good guy but we were particularly brutal in our conquering.

That woman is not aberrant. I've traveled in the south east and been to some of these baptist churches. I know how they think and what would happen if they had the resources.  I can believe you are defending those pigs. Frank would be proud.




I lived in Lexington KY for 3 years around 1980 and I didn't meet one single person like that.  Not one.  You don't know shit.

I'm not defending that woman.  I'm challenging your bigotry that she is representative.  Frank is proud of me.  He told me so.


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    * Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
    * The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:11-17)
    * He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)
    * The "spirit of the Lord" will be upon him, and he will have a "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
    * Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
    * Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
    * He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
    * All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
    * Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
    * There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
    * All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
    * The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
    * He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
    * Nations will recognize the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
    * The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
    * The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
    * Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
    * The people of Israel will have direct access to the Torah through their minds and Torah study will become the study of the wisdom of the heart (Jeremiah 31:33)[2]
    * He will give you all the worthy desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
    * He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9)






The biggest difference with Judaism seems to be that; All will acknowledge the supremacy, leadership, and spiritual guidance of Judaism,  But only Jews will reap the benefits.

At least Christianity and Islam spread the wealth. 


"The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)"

You're a Goyum Gentile?

You can support the Jews' joy and utopia your labor and enslavement.


It's not hard to find violent overt examples of Muslims focus towards their Prophecies.

It's also not hard to find subversive, sneaky, stealth, violent, Kleptomaniac and coercive Jews working towards goals of thier own prophecies.


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    #14071930 - 03/05/11 05:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I do not believe that is in the Torah.  The Jews are actually quite skeptical of converts, in spite of your tortured reasoning.




That's because they want to keep benefits of their messianic age all for themselves.

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    #14071937 - 03/05/11 05:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And I'll bet you hung out with fundy Christians and went to church every week. You don't have a clue. Don't forget God hates Fags. 

I've actually met Frank? He never mentioned being proud of you once.


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    #14071982 - 03/05/11 05:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know a lot about the Muslim religion but I found this in a search. Muhammad spent the first thirteen years of his prophethood living under oppression in his home city of Mecca.During this time, the Quran specifically prohibited Muhammad from armed resistance.Instead it encouraged him to "bear with patience" and tell his opponents "to you your religion, to me mine."

If this is true and the religion states a prohibition on armed resistance than those guys who want to cut my head off are aberrant also.

Again this is age  old battle between humans for resources. Religion is just a weapon  in the hands of violent would be  conquerors.


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    #14074972 - 03/06/11 10:23 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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And I'll bet you hung out with fundy Christians and went to church every week. You don't have a clue. Don't forget God hates Fags.




No I didn't but apparently you did.  Are you daft enough to believe that the Westboro assholes are representative or even a significant minority?  They are not.  They are, in fact, reviled.  Meanwhile, in muzzieland, we have streets named after suicide bombers.  Just stop.  There is not even the remotest equivalence.
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    #14075007 - 03/06/11 10:32 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Most of the scriptural requirements concerning the Messiah, what he will do, and what will be done during his reign are located in the Book of Isaiah, although requirements are mentioned by other prophets as well.






The biggest difference with Judaism seems to be that; All will acknowledge the supremacy, leadership, and spiritual guidance of Judaism,  But only Jews will reap the benefits.




That's a difference?  Christians believe your soul is doomed without accepting christ and Muslims believe you should be put to the sword if you don't accept mohhamed.  I'll remain a little more concerned with my corporeal being than my soul
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At least Christianity and Islam spread the wealth.




Here we go with the hand out.  And the Muzzies "spread the wealth"?  :rofl2:  The recent riots say otherwise.
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"The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)"

You're a Goyum Gentile?

You can support the Jews' joy and utopia your labor and enslavement.




I'm a fucking atheist as I have stated dozens, if not hundreds, of times.  I have had very successful business dealings with many, many Jews.  They have all been fair and honorable.
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It's not hard to find violent overt examples of Muslims focus towards their Prophecies.

It's also not hard to find subversive, sneaky, stealth, violent, Kleptomaniac and coercive Jews working towards goals of thier own prophecies.




I don't think you're ignorant, I think you're jealous.  I have never been ripped off in a deal with a Jew.  I cannot say that about everybody.


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    #14075048 - 03/06/11 10:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ever been ripped off by a muslim?


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    #14075096 - 03/06/11 11:01 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I did hang with those fools. I was a christian back in the day.  My bad.  They feared anyone who was different and were threatened by almost everything.  No shit.  I know every christian ain't like that but I'm pretty sure every muslim ain't a fundy killer either.

I think you've been talking to Frank Sinatra by mistake.:shrug:


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    #14075102 - 03/06/11 11:03 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think you're jealous.

Actually envious is the correct term. Unless of course there's something you're not telling us. :lol:


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    #14075119 - 03/06/11 11:07 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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    #14075223 - 03/06/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Not much to fear then. :shrug: Considering your age having never dealt with a Muslim is an indication that there aren't that many around. 

Or you haven't spent a lot of time in prison. :grin:


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    #14075225 - 03/06/11 11:36 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Current Klan splinter divisions have grown substantially since the 2008 election of U.S. President Barack Obama, the first African-American to hold the office;[135][136] the Klan has expanded its recruitment efforts to white supremacists at the international level.[137] Current membership estimates by the ADL hold at a national estimate of five thousand.[129]

Ex-Grand Wizard David Duke has claimed that thousands of Tea Party movement activists have urged him to run for president in 2012 [138] and he is seriously considering entering the Republican Party primaries.[139] Duke has also released a video detailing his platform.[140] In the video, he pledges that as president he would stop all immigration to the US, including legal immigration, and says that he "will not let Israel or any nation dictate our foreign policy."[141] He has also claimed that he would be "willing to risk life and limb, endure the barbs of the media” to mount “the most honest campaign for president since the time of our Founding Fathers.” [142]
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The Ku Klux Klan In Prophecy is a 144 page book written by Bishop Alma Bridwell White in 1925 and illustrated by Reverend Branford Clarke.[2][3] In the book she uses scripture to rationalize that the Klan is sanctioned by God "through divine illumination and prophetic vision".[4][5] She also believed that the Apostles and the Good Samaritan were members of the Klan.[6]
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    #14075235 - 03/06/11 11:40 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There has been a mass Hindu upsurge and rebellion against the savage killing of Hindu Leader Swami Lakshmanananda Saraswati and four of his disciples at his Ashram in Khandamal District in Orissa on the 23 August 2008. Pope Benedict XVI condemned what her termed as the anti-Christian "carnage" in India, where at least 11 people were killed in first three days of violence as Christians clashed with Hindu mobs attacking churches, shops and homes. During his weekly audience at the Vatican, Pope Benedict said that he was "profoundly saddened" by the news of the violence against Christian communities in eastern India. The Pope told a crowd of faithful and pilgrims "I firmly condemn any attack on human life. I express spiritual closeness and solidarity to the brothers and sisters in faith who are being so harshly tested".

In a very clever manner the Pope has totally avoided the issue of the reasons and factors that have caused this Hindu outrage and rebellion in Orissa. The Supreme Court of India has clearly held that forced or induced conversion is illegal. There is an anti-Conversion Law in Orissa. And yet the proselytizing and militant Christian agencies like World Vision, Seventh Day Adventist Groups and various other missionary organisations in Khandamal District in Orissa, fully backed by unrestricted flow of cash from America and Europe, are engaged in the nefarious enterprise of mass conversion of innocent and illiterate poverty-stricken tribals through force or inducement or fraud for the last several decades. Swami Lakshmanananda Saraswati has been leading a mass movement of tribals against this ugly phenomenon of illegal conversions for the last forty years. Christian population in Khandamal District was 6% of the population in that District in 1971 and today it has grown to a level of 28%. Statistics apart, agencies like World Vision, by virtue of their financial might and fully supported by the anti-Hindu elements in the government agencies have come to believe that they can let loose violence against the Hindus of Orissa. The marauders, very much like the Talibans of Afganisthan, have been plotting to murder Swami Lakshmanananda Saraswati and in fact they have made several attempts to achieve this end. At last they succeeded in shooting him down on the 23 August 2008 at his own Ashram.

Recently I saw a CNN-IBN video presentation showing how the militant missionaries in a village in Bihar (very much like their comrades in Orissa!) beat a Hindu to death for his refusal to convert to Christianity. Residents of Parmanpur village in Buxar District in Orissa have complained to the local public authorities that Christian missionaries are luring them to convert and threatening them with violence if they don"t obey.

According to Anjoriya Devi, her husband was beaten to death some years ago in her village in Buxar District by goons hired by missionaries. She says "They beat up my husband when he refused to convert to Christianity. They have threatened me too". Mithilesh Kumar, another resident of the same village, has alleged that the missionaries tried to lure him by offering him a job. They told me "If I remain a Hindu, I will remain unemployed and poor. I would have money and a job only if I converted to Christianity". Police in the village say they have arrested two persons after investigating the complaints. "Investigations confirm there have been instances of conversion by intimidation. We have arrested two persons", said Koran Sahay, officer in charge of the local Kuran Sarai police station. There is a paramount and imperative need for an anti-Conversion Law in Bihar.

http://www.blogs.ivarta.com/Inquisition-Goa-Atrocities-Hindus-missionaries/blog-179.htm


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14075238 - 03/06/11 11:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That's all quite funny.

I may vote for him if he runs. We need some honesty and directness in politics.:satansmoking:


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    #14075261 - 03/06/11 11:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Not much to fear then. :shrug: Considering your age having never dealt with a Muslim is an indication that there aren't that many around. 

Or you haven't spent a lot of time in prison. :grin:



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    #14075309 - 03/06/11 12:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Gee I thought they had bucks.  Aren't they getting paid to develop these cells. :lol:


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    #14075344 - 03/06/11 12:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They spend all their money on destruction, not construction.


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    #14075381 - 03/06/11 12:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They spend all their money on destruction, not construction.





Like the mosque in Tennessee and in NYC?


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They spend all their money on destruction, not construction.





Like the mosque in Tennessee and in NYC?



I don't know what's going on in Tennessee but the 9/11 triumph mosque in NYC is kinda, well, dead.  That dread disease, fundsalow.  Kills 'em every time.


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They spend all their money on destruction, not construction.





Like the mosque in Tennessee and in NYC?



I don't know what's going on in Tennessee but the 9/11 triumph mosque in NYC is kinda, well, dead.  That dread disease, fundsalow.  Kills 'em every time.





The Department of Justice has filed a brief supporting construction of a mosque in Tennessee that has been burned down and vandalized. The DOJ writes that Islam is a religion and is entitled to freedom of expression. Jerry Martin, the U.S. attorney for the middle district of Tennessee, said that while the construction of the mosque is a "local matter" the department wishes to "vigorously support" granting the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro building permits. READ MORE ABOUT THE MOSQUE

CNN spoke with Camie Ayash whose husband wants to build the mosque to serve a growing population of Muslims in the mid-size city. The Islamic Center has been operating in Murfreesboro for decades but had outgrown its current building, she said.

When construction on the new building began, vandals spraypainted "Not Welcome" on the site and set fire to construction materials.
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    #14075449 - 03/06/11 12:37 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They spend all their money on destruction, not construction.





Like the mosque in Tennessee and in NYC?



I don't know what's going on in Tennessee but the 9/11 triumph mosque in NYC is kinda, well, dead.  That dread disease, fundsalow.  Kills 'em every time.





What? I thought they were fully backed by the Shah of Radical Islamistan.! :aliceshocker:

I know some of the people involved in organizing the mosque in TN. They're good people. I know plenty of muslims here, mostly through work, school, and beer & tobacco stores where I get my shisha.

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They spend all their money on destruction, not construction.





Like the mosque in Tennessee and in NYC?



I don't know what's going on in Tennessee but the 9/11 triumph mosque in NYC is kinda, well, dead.  That dread disease, fundsalow.  Kills 'em every time.





A recently appointed senior adviser to the Muslim cultural center and mosque planned near the site of New York's September 11 attacks has stepped down, the center's developer said.

The move came days after remarks surfaced in which he said homosexuality was most often the result of sexual abuse.

"Imam Abdallah Adhami announced today that he will no longer serve as Senior Adviser to Park51," the project's developer, Sharif El-Gamal, said in a statement posted on Facebook.

The resignation came just weeks after the project's public faces, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, stepped down as leaders of the project.

Shortly after Adhami entered the project, he came under fire for saying in an online lecture posted on the Web site of his non-profilt organization Sakeenah, that "an enormously overwhelming percentage of people struggle with homosexual feeling because of some form of violent emotional or sexual abuse at some point in their life."

Gay right activists said the comments, first reported by NY1 cable news on January 26, were harmful and played into outmoded stereotypes long debunked.

Opposition to the Park51 project swelled last year after critics said its location was insensitive. Supporters said the critics themselves were being intolerant of religious freedom.

The proposed 13-story, $100 million center could be years away from completion. It would be two blocks from "Ground Zero," where the September 11, 2001, hijacked plane attacks toppled the Twin Towers, killing nearly 3,000.

El-Gamal said in his statement: "We have been humbled by Imam Adhami's contributions to this project ... We look forward to him, God willing, leading prayers informally for Park51 in the near future."

(Editing by Jerry Norton)
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    #14075475 - 03/06/11 12:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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They spend all their money on destruction, not construction.





Like the mosque in Tennessee and in NYC?



I don't know what's going on in Tennessee but the 9/11 triumph mosque in NYC is kinda, well, dead.  That dread disease, fundsalow.  Kills 'em every time.





What? I thought they were fully backed by the Shah of Radical Islamistan.! :aliceshocker:

I know some of the people involved in organizing the mosque in TN. They're good people. I know plenty of muslims here, mostly through work, school, and beer & tobacco stores where I get my shisha.

Also, I saw a woman in a burka-lite at Walmart just last Friday.




Yeah, the vast majority of people are just people, not sword swinging bomb throwing lunatics. Go figure.


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    #14075517 - 03/06/11 12:57 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Sadly it is not a vast majority, at least not world wide.  And the members that are peaceful seem to be afraid of speaking out against those who are violent.  I wonder why.


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Sadly it is not a vast majority, at least not world wide.  And the members that are peaceful seem to be afraid of speaking out against those who are violent.  I wonder why.





That is a misconception. They speak out often, but doing so isn't newsworthy. You can find plenty of examples if you are willing to wade through tons of hate news.


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    #14075537 - 03/06/11 01:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

ORLY?  All I've heard are prepared press releases from unindicted co-conspirators that kind of waffle around.


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    #14075557 - 03/06/11 01:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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ORLY?  All I've heard are prepared press releases from unindicted co-conspirators that kind of waffle around.





Like I said, in your case you would actually have to dig around for something that doesn't fit your pre-disposed notions.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/117452973.html
Below are a few of the many, many examples of Muslims speaking out against violence:

Islamic Society of North America

"U.S.MUSLIM RELIGIOUS COUNCIL ISSUES FATWA AGAINST TERRORISM

The Fiqh Council of North America wishes to reaffirm Islam's absolute condemnation of terrorism and religious extremism.

Islam strictly condemns religious extremism and the use of violence against innocent lives. There is no justification in Islam for extremism or terrorism. Targeting civilians’ life and property through suicide bombings or any other method of attack is haram – or forbidden - and those who commit these barbaric acts are criminals, not 'martyrs.'…" (click here for more)

CAIR

"CAIR’s Anti-Terrorism Campaigns

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians. CAIR has also organized fatwas, petition drives, placed advertisements in national and local newspapers, ran public service announcements on television and radio stations, helped local Mosques across the United States in holding open houses, published Op-Eds in local and national newspapers, conducted inter-faith meetings and worked with scholars to disseminate the peaceful teachings of Islam.

In addition to specific campaigns, we have compiled a 68 page document showing all of the condemnations of terrorism after September 11th, 2001 and a similar document after the July 7th, 2006 bombings in London, UK..." (click here for more)

Islamic Circle of North America

"ICNA Shariah Council Responds to Al Awlaki

"…Then came Imam Anwar’s praise of the failed Christmas day terrorist plot of Umar Farouk AbdulMuttalib. This left us even more baffled since this was an attack intended to kill 278 innocent airline passengers, many of whom were Muslims. How could an Imam who once seemed so level-headed now be a proponent of such a clear transgression of Islamic law?

Our search for answers and excuses for Anwar Al Awlaki have run out. Today we are hearing the words of hate and violence in the voice of the very same Imam which used to bring us so much good through the stories of our prophets and the remembrance of the hereafter. His call today for us as American Muslims to take up arms against our own country serves no other purpose but to wreak havoc and destruction. It is the same call of the kharijites that has been repeated so many times that feasts on the frustration and uncontrolled emotions of vulnerable youth that do not have the foundation or knowledge to recognize its illegitimacy…" (click here for more)

ADAMS Center, VA

"ADAMS Condemns Terrorism

With the Name of God, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful

All Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS)

The All Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS), along with other Muslim organizations throughout North America, strongly condemn and reject the actions of terrorists and terrorism.

The All Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS) BACKS FATWA( Islamic religious ruling) AGAINST TERROR

The ADAMS Board voted on May 22, 2005 to unanimously adopt the MPAC National Anti-Terrorism Campaign Handbook and follow and implement the guidelines. http://www.mpac.org/atc/home.asp
'Islam, the religion of tolerance, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, this is backed by the Qur'anic verse which reads:

'Who so ever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind,' (Quran: Al-Ma'dah:32)…"(click here for more)

The above are unequivocal condemnations against violence. The question has been answered, so hopefully the dialogue can move forward.

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Islam 101: Why don't Muslims speak out against violence? - Baltimore Muslim | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/muslim-in-baltimore/islam-101-why-don-t-muslims-speak-out-against-violence#ixzz1Fqt2TPFv


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14075567 - 03/06/11 01:10 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It's not like we have any real control over our sword swing, bomb throwing lunatics, either.

Ours wear oxford shoes and nice suits though, rather than sandals and robes.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #14075614 - 03/06/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians."

CAIR is the specific unindicted co-conspirator I referred to.  Of course, I didn't mention it because I knew you would fall into that trap.  CAIR is a terrorist enabling organization that sends money to terrorists and brings lawsuits to stifle anti-terrorist activities.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14075616 - 03/06/11 01:21 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

And the members that are peaceful seem to be afraid of speaking out against those who are violent.  I wonder why.
For the same reason a lot of these kids are afraid of speaking out against you?:lol:

Head cut off/radical muslim

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14075625 - 03/06/11 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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For the same reason a lot of these kids are afraid of speaking out against you?:lol:

Head cut off/radical muslim

Head bitten off/radical Zap



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    #14075633 - 03/06/11 01:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I love it when they bite back.:popcorn:


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    #14075655 - 03/06/11 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14075659 - 03/06/11 01:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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"The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians."

CAIR is the specific unindicted co-conspirator I referred to.  Of course, I didn't mention it because I knew you would fall into that trap.  CAIR is a terrorist enabling organization that sends money to terrorists and brings lawsuits to stifle anti-terrorist activities.





I just love the way you try to dismiss me as a troll. What, my researched and thought out responses bother you? Should I pull shit out of my ass and post it like you do?

Funny that you decided to ignore every other organization in my link. Like I said, you actually have to look for things that (gasp) don't fit your preconceived ideas.

There are Islam bloggers all over who speak out against the violence. People like professors, Islamic leaders, you know, those who are actually educated on the topic.

Call me a troll once more and I will report you.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14075738 - 03/06/11 01:55 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
"The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians."

CAIR is the specific unindicted co-conspirator I referred to.  Of course, I didn't mention it because I knew you would fall into that trap.  CAIR is a terrorist enabling organization that sends money to terrorists and brings lawsuits to stifle anti-terrorist activities.





I just love the way you try to dismiss me as a troll. What, my researched and thought out responses bother you? Should I pull shit out of my ass and post it like you do?




Did I call you a troll?  Stop whining.
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Funny that you decided to ignore every other organization in my link. Like I said, you actually have to look for things that (gasp) don't fit your preconceived ideas.




I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.  It is in the Koran that it is halal to lie to Kaffirs.
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There are Islam bloggers all over who speak out against the violence. People like professors, Islamic leaders, you know, those who are actually educated on the topic.




Where were these cunts when people got killed for posting meany cartoons?  Hiding under their beds.  If they had had any balls they would have posted the fucking cartoons themselves.
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Call me a troll once more and I will report you.




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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14075821 - 03/06/11 02:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14076028 - 03/06/11 03:03 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

Spread your tiny wings and buzz off.



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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14076167 - 03/06/11 03:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

Spread your tiny wings and buzz off.





Hold up dude.  You need to grow a thick skin. This is how Zap plays his game.  It is a game you know?  You have some good points and so does your opponent no matter what you may be saying here. It's kind of like big time wrestling with a lot of eye gouging when the ref isn't looking.  Stay in the game. After awhile you won't even notice yourself reacting to the other guys bull :poop: This will mean they have acted as a teacher for you.  (Petty Tyrant as Don Juan would say)

But if you can't hack it you can't. :shrug:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14076616 - 03/06/11 05:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?


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    #14076674 - 03/06/11 05:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.


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    #14076753 - 03/06/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.




You're saying that if the news doesn't report it "regularly" (whatever that might mean), it isn't enough for Muslim groups to issue statements as you have described?


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    #14077333 - 03/06/11 07:18 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Our media simply won't let that Narrative into the 24 hour news cycle. Hell, they gave more air-time to the Oscars on SATURDAY than they did to the Wisconsin protests.


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    #14077421 - 03/06/11 07:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:

I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.



Yep, that is a perfectly reasonable set of criteria. Incidentally, I don't believe any statement issued by the Pentagon, the CIA, or the State Department for the same reason.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14077550 - 03/06/11 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Our media simply won't let that Narrative into the 24 hour news cycle. Hell, they gave more air-time to the Oscars on SATURDAY than they did to the Wisconsin protests.



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I'm sorry but I don't find disingenuous phony plaints to be convincing.




So what specific criteria would a source need to fulfill to be convincing to you?



Regular reports in the media of widespread Muslim condemnation of the terrorism and enthusiastic prosecution of terrorists in Muslim nations.  And nothing, ever, from CAIR.





What media?  The mainstream Zionist owned media?


That goes completely agaisnt Zionist foreign policy initiatives.

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    #14077760 - 03/06/11 08:29 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

The terms "Zionist", "Reptilian-Alien" and other emotionally charged words which reference a faceless-mass, or hive-mind serve to distract the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment.

Way to play into the predominate Narrative.


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    #14078413 - 03/06/11 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Congrats. since I can't buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, you just earned a spot on my "Not worth fucking bothering with" list.

Spread your tiny wings and buzz off.





Hold up dude.  You need to grow a thick skin. This is how Zap plays his game.  It is a game you know?  You have some good points and so does your opponent no matter what you may be saying here. It's kind of like big time wrestling with a lot of eye gouging when the ref isn't looking.  Stay in the game. After awhile you won't even notice yourself reacting to the other guys bull :poop: This will mean they have acted as a teacher for you.  (Petty Tyrant as Don Juan would say)

But if you can't hack it you can't. :shrug:




I know the game all too well. I have played this before. Established poster can say anything. New poster has to play by the rules, Fuck that.

Zappa is a troll who deliberately disrupts any thread that his parroting nonsense doesn't fit into. Why should I come into a hostile environment and tolerate this treatment? I came here to discuss politics, not imagined talking head points and parrots. My responses are well thought out and this seems to threaten longtime posters. If this is indeed the case then my work here is done.


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    #14078440 - 03/06/11 10:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

bye  :hi:

Good luck finding your perfect world. :lol:


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    #14078458 - 03/06/11 10:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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bye  :hi:

Good luck finding your perfect world. :lol:





Perfect world? All I expected was an even playing field. If I have to enter into a drama event every time on a thread then none of you are worth my time.


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    #14078731 - 03/06/11 11:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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The terms "Zionist", "Reptilian-Alien" and other emotionally charged words which reference a faceless-mass, or hive-mind serve to distract the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment.

Way to play into the predominate Narrative.





First of all, don't insult our intelligence by associating Zionism with Reptilians and other such loosely supported conspiracy theory.

Zionism is an ideology, and a highly politically relevant one at that, not some "emotionally charged word which references a faceless-mass"

Read this;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
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Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.[1] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security. In a less common usage, the term may also refer to 1) non-political, Cultural Zionism, founded and represented most prominently by Ahad Ha'am; and 2) political support for the State of Israel by non-Jews, as in Christian Zionism.

Zionism does not have a uniform ideology, but has evolved in a dialogue among a plethora of ideologies: General Zionism, Religious Zionism, Labor Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, Green Zionism, etc. However, the common denominator among all Zionists is the claim to Eretz Israel as the national homeland of the Jews and as the legitimate focus for the Jewish national self-determination (as shown, among others, by Gideon Shimoni).[2] It is based on historical ties and religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.[3]

After almost two millennia of existence of the Jewish diaspora without a national state, the Zionist movement was founded in the late 19th century by secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to rising antisemitism in Europe, exemplified by the Dreyfus Affair in France and the Anti-Jewish pogroms in the Russian Empire.[4] The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat.[5] At that time, the movement sought to encourage Jewish migration to the Ottoman Palestine.

Although initially one of several Jewish political movements offering alternative responses to assimilation and antisemitism, Zionism grew rapidly and became the dominant force in Jewish politics with the destruction of Jewish life in Central and Eastern Europe where these alternative movements were rooted.

The movement was eventually successful in establishing Israel on 14 May 1948 (5 Iyyar 5708 in the Hebrew calendar), as the homeland for the Jewish people. The proportion of the world's Jews living in Israel has also steadily grown since the movement came into existence. Today roughly 40% of the world's Jews live in Israel.[6] These two outcomes represent the historical success of Zionism, unmatched by any other Jewish political movement in the past 2,000 years.

In some academic studies, Zionism has been analyzed both within the larger context of diaspora politics and as an example of modern national liberation movements.[7]

Zionism was also directed at assimilation into the modern world. As a result of the Diaspora, many of the Jewish people were outcasts and had no knowledge of the modern era. There were Jews who desired complete assimilation and were willing to neglect their faith in an attempt at modernization. The assimilationists, who are depicted as truly messianic, were a radical group in Jewish history. They desired a pure revolution: a complete integration of Jews into European society. This would dispel any dissimilarity between Jews and non-Jews. They are described as messianic in their anticipation and desire of a new era. Assimilationists were not concerned with keeping their own identity but wanted homogeneity. They would disband their traditional views and opinions as long as it insured complete assimilation into the modern world. Another less radical form of assimilation was called cultural synthesis. Those in favor of cultural synthesis emphasized an obligation to maintain traditional Jewish values but also a need to conform to a modernist society. They are described as defensive and sought to reject the pure revolution that the assimilationists promoted. They aimed to eradicate any disparity between Jewish and modern life. However (in contrast with assimilationists), they also wanted to preserve their own faith and many of their traditional values. They were concerned that if Jews lost their identification, the result would be detrimental. Those in favor of cultural synthesis desired a balance between change and continuity as opposed to the assimilationists who only wanted change.[8]

In 1975, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution that designated Zionism as a "a form of racism and racial discrimination". The resolution was repealed in 1991. Within the context of the Arab–Israeli conflict, Zionism is viewed by critics as a system that fosters apartheid and racism.[





I don't intend to "distract the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment."

I intend to reveal the FACT that most mainstream media, and media outlets are owned and influenced by pro-Zionists

Same goes for US foreign policy.

you would be more accurate to say that this pro-zionist media conglomerate "distracts the seeker from the identities of the concrete individuals who are fucking them over in the moment." distracts you with the external threat of Islamic boogy men.


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    #14078767 - 03/06/11 11:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I got a bit lost, but what exactly is Zap's proof that ALL or the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims, or as he calls them Muzzies, are radicals that want to kill or convert everybody?

For the record I don't think Zap is trolling. I do think he is letting his xenophobia cloud his mind though.


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    #14078805 - 03/06/11 11:24 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Ok I got a bit lost, but what exactly is Zap's proof that ALL or the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims, or as he calls them Muzzies, are radicals that want to kill or convert everybody?

For the record I don't think Zap is trolling. I do think he is letting his xenophobia cloud his mind though.




There is none because they aren't

He is a Zionist though, just so you know.

He hates Arabs an Muslims because most oppose Zionism and are aware of and reveal/oppose Zionist forces behind western foreign policy. 

He's just like mainstream media, He is pro Zionist Israel, Thus he falsely defames ALL muslims because most are anti-zionist politically, and oppose western occupation and colonialism, which he, and the Zionist media and foreign policy supports.


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    #14079574 - 03/07/11 03:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> He hates Arabs an Muslims because most oppose Zionism and are aware of and reveal/oppose Zionist forces behind western foreign policy. 

I hate to speak for Zappa, but based upon his posts, your claims are incorrect.  He does not hate arabs and muslims.  He does hate extremists that kill or terrorize non-combatants in the name of their religion.  It happens that Islam, especially in the middle east, has a lot more of these idiots than any other religion or geographic location.  I don't know if he is a "Zionist" or not, but I do know that he has a lot of respect for Israel, an underdog in the region, yet able to hold their own while turning a piece of crap desert into a pretty nice oasis while maintaining a democratic form of government.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14079725 - 03/07/11 06:18 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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bye  :hi:

Good luck finding your perfect world. :lol:





Perfect world? All I expected was an even playing field. If I have to enter into a drama event every time on a thread then none of you are worth my time.





An even playing field would be a perfect world sonny and drama is a fact of life it seems you are yet to grok in fullness. 

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    #14080048 - 03/07/11 08:41 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> He hates Arabs an Muslims because most oppose Zionism and are aware of and reveal/oppose Zionist forces behind western foreign policy. 

I hate to speak for Zappa, but based upon his posts, your claims are incorrect.  He does not hate arabs and muslims.



He may not have directly stated that he hates muslims, but it seems a reasonable inference based on statements like these:

"In the rest of the great wide world there are just as many Muzzies and a lot, hundreds of millions want to put you to the sword.  Good thing they are the most inept jackasses you could ask for in an adversary."

"No, they fucking don't and I'm an atheist.  The only ones who want to chop  my head of for that are Muzzies."

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    #14080056 - 03/07/11 08:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Seems so. :shrug:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: TheThinker]
    #14081509 - 03/07/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Good luck finding your perfect world. :lol:





Perfect world? All I expected was an even playing field. If I have to enter into a drama event every time on a thread then none of you are worth my time.



Even playing field?  Typical liberal expecting an equality of result when all he is due is an equality of opportunity.  There is no even playing field for you if I'm anywhere near it.  Troll.  And a whiny troll at that.


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    #14081526 - 03/07/11 02:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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> He hates Arabs an Muslims because most oppose Zionism and are aware of and reveal/oppose Zionist forces behind western foreign policy. 

I hate to speak for Zappa, but based upon his posts, your claims are incorrect.  He does not hate arabs and muslims.



He may not have directly stated that he hates muslims, but it seems a reasonable inference based on statements like these:

"In the rest of the great wide world there are just as many Muzzies and a lot, hundreds of millions want to put you to the sword.  Good thing they are the most inept jackasses you could ask for in an adversary."

"No, they fucking don't and I'm an atheist.  The only ones who want to chop  my head of for that are Muzzies."

"They spend all their money on destruction, not construction"



Just which of those statements do you find factually incorrect?  You know what else is a factually correct statement?  Gefilte fish tastes like ass.  Does that mean I'm prejudiced against gefilte fish or ass?


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14083623 - 03/07/11 08:52 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

None of those statements are factual, and if you want to present them as such please provide evidence. I don't care if you want to express bigoted views but don't parade your prejudices as facts, and if you want to use them in a debate then back them up.


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    #14091115 - 03/09/11 06:51 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

There has never been homosexual reeducation camp in muslim societies as far as i know.

The real problem is taht we lose our religion and muslims keep it. The muslims are pretty much atheist in their own countries due to centuries of oppressino, they are not able to follow their laws very well due to the systematic oppression in which they live in.

Lybia is bullshit by the way, that 6 million country should be ruled by muslims, never by any westerners, it has all the rich oil reserve and it is EXACTLY divided for that reason , to make it weak to invasions. palestine was invaded for religious purpose and lybia will be invaded for oil. a clear proof of why they cut up the middle east in parts.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: communeart]
    #14091341 - 03/09/11 08:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

> There has never been homosexual reeducation camp in muslim societies as far as i know.

When the punishment for homosexual relations is death, why would they bother with "reeducation"?


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> There has never been homosexual reeducation camp in muslim societies as far as i know.

When the punishment for homosexual relations is death, why would they bother with "reeducation"?



Or a camp?  Besides, don't you know there are no homos in Iran


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When the punishment for homosexual relations is death, why would they bother with "reeducation"?




do you know how many time i took a leak on the side of the road even if i am supposed to get a 200$ fine? it's about time you racists realize what racism was about, figuring out the real subtle details of race and nations. A good example is when we talked about black people being stopped for routine traffic check, some people pointed out taht black people may tend to have more tattoos and the like or to listen to loud music. Liberals wouldn't accept this, it's oppression or details they don't see.

there are too many homosexuals in iran to kill them all. the few that are caught are sadly dealt an exemplary punishment. if anything those laws prevent stuff like gay pride from existing in iran since the moral police is rarely truly enforced for woman.

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Or a camp?  Besides, don't you know there are no homos in Iran



See this is another racist attack against an iranian man , by misusing his words or those of his translator you are merely poking or teasing this person, and by being unwilling to listen to so many leftist who told you what exactly ahmadinejad and the Iranian government meant you are merely acting like an intolerant atheist prick.

You are the first one to be homophobic, the first one to criticize gay rights or gay marriage but because of war and fear mongering people like bill oreilly and you are missing out on a very good argument: If homosexuality is legalized in iran there will be no gay marriage and there will be good HIV control like in somalia for example. they will not be decadent like the worst gay pride representative you can picture. Or at least, the worst gay pride i am talking will not be the representative of the gay iranian community unlike in our western society where "fofolle" is a common cliche.


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    #14091972 - 03/09/11 11:19 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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When the punishment for homosexual relations is death, why would they bother with "reeducation"?




do you know how many time i took a leak on the side of the road even if i am supposed to get a 200$ fine? it's about time you racists realize what racism was about, figuring out the real subtle details of race and nations. A good example is when we talked about black people being stopped for routine traffic check, some people pointed out taht black people may tend to have more tattoos and the like or to listen to loud music. Liberals wouldn't accept this, it's oppression or details they don't see.




There's a Muslim race?  I did not know that.
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there are too many homosexuals in iran to kill them all. the few that are caught are sadly dealt an exemplary punishment. if anything those laws prevent stuff like gay pride from existing in iran since the moral police is rarely truly enforced for woman.



What's wrong with gay pride?  Other than that they bore the living shit out of me who gives a fuck?  Muzzies, that's who.
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Or a camp?  Besides, don't you know there are no homos in Iran



See this is another racist attack against an iranian man , by misusing his words or those of his translator you are merely poking or teasing this person, and by being unwilling to listen to so many leftist who told you what exactly ahmadinejad and the Iranian government meant you are merely acting like an intolerant atheist prick.




Right they spun it later.  He still said it.
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You are the first one to be homophobic, the first one to criticize gay rights or gay marriage but because of war and fear mongering people like bill oreilly and you are missing out on a very good argument: If homosexuality is legalized in iran there will be no gay marriage and there will be good HIV control like in somalia for example. they will not be decadent like the worst gay pride representative you can picture. Or at least, the worst gay pride i am talking will not be the representative of the gay iranian community unlike in our western society where "fofolle" is a common cliche.




Right.  Suppressing homosexuals is the Muslim expression of kind caring concern lest the homos debase themselves by riding in a parade in drag.

I never heard of "fofolle".  I have no idea what you are babbling about.  I looked it up and it seems to mean crazy girl.  At any rate there is nothing common about it.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14092113 - 03/09/11 11:45 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Gee what a coinkeydink that two religions from the middle east hate fags.  :whoa: And those two religions hate each other.:whoa: Wow another coinkeydink. :whoa: This is getting spooky.:satansmoking:


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    #14092166 - 03/09/11 11:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There's a Muslim race?  I did not know that.



there's a jewish one t00! oh wait, weren't you suppose to talk about my arguments? does that prove you have no arguments yourself? don't you suck at debating politics?

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What's wrong with gay pride?  Other than that they bore the living shit out of me who gives a fuck?  Muzzies, that's who.



Nothing really bad, but you who believe so strongly in individuality you can understand that muslims would rather have a sexually sober homosexual community as opposed to one that is associated with aids,anal rape,poppers and the color pink. at least at first, then we can send the army to drop loads of dildo off the air just to make sure they stay decadent.
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Right they spun it later.  He still said it.



like i said, it was intolerant bullshit by college kids,at worst it was funny but it is clearly spinned out to be propaganda. it could even be interpreted as racist since it sounds like there is no homosexuals in iran because i killed them all, which is an exageration of the persecution of homosexuals.  no different than making fun of a stranger because he does not master your language or there is a communication problem. of course, ahmadinejad is not laughing his ass off at the way fat american pigs laugh because of cultural imperialism, it's the other way.

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Right.  Suppressing homosexuals is the Muslim expression of kind caring concern lest the homos debase themselves by riding in a parade in drag.

I never heard of "fofolle".  I have no idea what you are babbling about.  I looked it up and it seems to mean crazy girl.  At any rate there is nothing common about it.



They repress homosexuals for their own sake, you seem to forgot homosexuality is not the same kind of sexuality as heterosexuality, societal expectations and many other details are very different. they even repress adultery it is very different than here.

how many homosexuals have had fines,lashes or so in the last year? there are death sentence handed out for this but since 20% of all american inmates are raped in prison iran should be executing homosexuals all the time.

if handing out a death sentence for homosexual rape deter jail rape then i'm all for it and anyone with common sense would as well. Only an hypocrit would be against such a law claiming that it discriminates.


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    #14092291 - 03/09/11 12:25 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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There's a Muslim race?  I did not know that.



there's a jewish one t00! oh wait, weren't you suppose to talk about my arguments? does that prove you have no arguments yourself? don't you suck at debating politics?




In order for there to be racism there must be a racial distinction.  I believe you said this, "it's about time you racists realize what racism was about,".  Since there is, in fact, no racial component how could we be racist?:flowstone:
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What's wrong with gay pride?  Other than that they bore the living shit out of me who gives a fuck?  Muzzies, that's who.



Nothing really bad, but you who believe so strongly in individuality you can understand that muslims would rather have a sexually sober homosexual community as opposed to one that is associated with aids,anal rape,poppers and the color pink. at least at first, then we can send the army to drop loads of dildo off the air just to make sure they stay decadent.




"A sexually sober community?"  How unspeakably vile.  And to achieve that homogeneous state they must persecute and deny "the other" in their midst?  Your idea of "individuality" is a violently enforced homogeneous Kollektif?  Good zappa you are quite the pretzel.
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Right they spun it later.  He still said it.



like i said, it was intolerant bullshit by college kids,at worst it was funny but it is clearly spinned out to be propaganda. it could even be interpreted as racist since it sounds like there is no homosexuals in iran because i killed them all, which is an exageration of the persecution of homosexuals.  no different than making fun of a stranger because he does not master your language or there is a communication problem. of course, ahmadinejad is not laughing his ass off at the way fat american pigs laugh because of cultural imperialism, it's the other way.




They were his words, not the college kids.  I not only didn't misquote him but I provided the video of him saying it.  YOU can read any implications you want into it.  As to fat Americans and all that well too bad.  If they want to be fat they can be fat.  I'm not.  Finally "cultural imperialism"?  Really?  What the fuck is that supposed top mean?  Are you distressed that American culture has spread all over the world because people like it?  You would, of course, impose the proper culture, wouldn't you?  More vileness.
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Right.  Suppressing homosexuals is the Muslim expression of kind caring concern lest the homos debase themselves by riding in a parade in drag.

I never heard of "fofolle".  I have no idea what you are babbling about.  I looked it up and it seems to mean crazy girl.  At any rate there is nothing common about it.



They repress homosexuals for their own sake, you seem to forgot homosexuality is not the same kind of sexuality as heterosexuality, societal expectations and many other details are very different. they even repress adultery it is very different than here.




Perhaps I should follow you around and decide what you should be doing.  When you step out of line I get to whack you over the head with a truncheon.  WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW TO LIVE?
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how many homosexuals have had fines,lashes or so in the last year? there are death sentence handed out for this but since 20% of all american inmates are raped in prison iran should be executing homosexuals all the time.



That makes absolutely no sense.  How does prison rape equate to Iranian execution of homosexuals?  You know how they treat women who get raped in Muslim countries?  They get the lash for being "provocative".  Classy friends you got there Hamid.
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if handing out a death sentence for homosexual rape deter jail rape then i'm all for it and anyone with common sense would as well. Only an hypocrit would be against such a law claiming that it discriminates.




It isn't rape the Muzzies cut heads off for, they have no problem with rape.  It's for consensual sex.  Vile.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14092484 - 03/09/11 01:11 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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In order for there to be racism there must be a racial distinction.  I believe you said this, "it's about time you racists realize what racism was about,".  Since there is, in fact, no racial component how could we be racist?




do you even know the definition of race and ethnic groups? you are just as childish as the people who said calling french-canadian frogs was not racist because they are of the same race, while in fact they are of different ethnic group, they should have been banned but they are dumbass lefties, anything goes with anti-american white nations.

You know what you are, a goddamn anti-semites. because you hate a semitic people called the palestinians.
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"A sexually sober community?"  How unspeakably vile.  And to achieve that homogeneous state they must persecute and deny "the other" in their midst?  Your idea of "individuality" is a violently enforced homogeneous Kollektif?  Good zappa you are quite the pretzel.



unspeakably vile? you have black people in america fucking without condoms and you have somalia, if anything i should be racist against you look at how black people act like, rap like when they sit next to you at school. what i actually meant is , a more sexually sober community than ours, for the simple reason that their sexuality carries more risk, no matter how small they may be. this also includes homophobia which is inevitable, people like zappa talk all day long about how homophobia suck and how homosexuals should kiss in public but at the end of the day they get their ass kicked by your own intolerant anglo-saxon younger self who didn't learn tolerance yet cause he's a mad kid, just like all kids believe and do stupid things maybe we should prevent kids from doing stupid things for once. How will you destroy irremediably homophobic people? before homosexuality was legal it's very easy to picture that it was old people who remained homophobic and attached to a vision of the church when it comes to morality and the youth was tolerant of difference.

What homogenous state are you talking about zappa? the people there are simply not voting in favor of legalisation and one of the reason for that is gay pride uclture being perceived as western. the only way they will swallow tolerance of homosexuality if they do is to have it as a different model than you.

what is your idea of individuality? i find individuality to be rather cowardly and a rather childish,retarded ideology. there are homosexuals,woman and ethnic minorities in all society, there always was and there always will be. but what about iranians? what about americans? in 500 years any empire could collapse and yet all i see are homosexuals,woman and ethnic minorities acting as if their culture will be exterminated next morning. You seem to forget that the individuality you talk about is destructive to civilisation and what not. the only reason you live nowdays with all the wealth and technology we have is because christians started controlling their dicks and other such painful collectivist mindset. only in nowdays society could it ever be possible to have strictly individualistic person who contribute to society more than they take. and even then.

The real problem is that such an individualistic mindset, truly turns into actions around the world and one such action is monsanto's unethical actions which all of humanity pays.


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In order for there to be racism there must be a racial distinction.  I believe you said this, "it's about time you racists realize what racism was about,".  Since there is, in fact, no racial component how could we be racist?




do you even know the definition of race and ethnic groups? you are just as childish as the people who said calling french-canadian frogs was not racist because they are of the same race, while in fact they are of different ethnic group, they should have been banned but they are dumbass lefties, anything goes with anti-american white nations.

You know what you are, a goddamn anti-semites. because you hate a semitic people called the palestinians.
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"A sexually sober community?"  How unspeakably vile.  And to achieve that homogeneous state they must persecute and deny "the other" in their midst?  Your idea of "individuality" is a violently enforced homogeneous Kollektif?  Good zappa you are quite the pretzel.



unspeakably vile? you have black people in america fucking without condoms and you have somalia, if anything i should be racist against you look at how black people act like, rap like when they sit next to you at school. what i actually meant is , a more sexually sober community than ours, for the simple reason that their sexuality carries more risk, no matter how small they may be. this also includes homophobia which is inevitable, people like zappa talk all day long about how homophobia suck and how homosexuals should kiss in public but at the end of the day they get their ass kicked by your own intolerant anglo-saxon younger self who didn't learn tolerance yet cause he's a mad kid, just like all kids believe and do stupid things maybe we should prevent kids from doing stupid things for once. How will you destroy irremediably homophobic people? before homosexuality was legal it's very easy to picture that it was old people who remained homophobic and attached to a vision of the church when it comes to morality and the youth was tolerant of difference.

What homogenous state are you talking about zappa? the people there are simply not voting in favor of legalisation and one of the reason for that is gay pride uclture being perceived as western. the only way they will swallow tolerance of homosexuality if they do is to have it as a different model than you.

what is your idea of individuality? i find individuality to be rather cowardly and a rather childish,retarded ideology. there are homosexuals,woman and ethnic minorities in all society, there always was and there always will be. but what about iranians? what about americans? in 500 years any empire could collapse and yet all i see are homosexuals,woman and ethnic minorities acting as if their culture will be exterminated next morning. You seem to forget that the individuality you talk about is destructive to civilisation and what not. the only reason you live nowdays with all the wealth and technology we have is because christians started controlling their dicks and other such painful collectivist mindset. only in nowdays society could it ever be possible to have strictly individualistic person who contribute to society more than they take. and even then.

The real problem is that such an individualistic mindset, truly turns into actions around the world and one such action is monsanto's unethical actions which all of humanity pays.




This guy is a gift that just keeps on giving.  You spout this intolerant drivel on a drug website?  Why do you fear the cock so much?


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    #14093294 - 03/09/11 04:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

specify what is intolerant in everything that i said, you and i have a very different viewpoint of the drug culture right here. your viewpoint of it is some redneck backwater idea of a drug culture while mine is religious and goes through 5000 years of history . that is why i criticize modern gay culture for being a freakish modern bullshit invention just like give aids culture.

I think it all comes down to the type of harm reduction, your idea of harm reduction is an egoist one based on self-interest while mine had ideas of tradition,taboos,rule behind it. we could say the same for both gay and drug culture.


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    #14093365 - 03/09/11 04:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shouldn't you be out hunting homos in Montreal.  To save your country from their insidious infiltration.  Or do you care more about Iran than Canada?


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homos are not ennemies, they must comply to national culture like jews. See a nationalist can understand different relationships than just hate or ally which is just a form of ganging up on someone. Ideologues like you are revealed for how hateful they are when they can't understand that my criticism of certain sociocultural values put forward by gay culture that are negative, just like i would say so of those vehiculated by rap. this is far from hate, but rather asking people to comply to national culture, just i am expected to national culture in order to get my national goal across : whooping asses.

Shit i'm not even asking anything from homosexuals than to question themselves about what role has naked capitalism for them and if this hedonist culture is really what they want as representative of themselves. they don't have to rebel and be decadent idiot and what i am refering to is the main ideology. It could be a better culture.


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homos are not ennemies, they must comply to national culture like jews. See a nationalist can understand different relationships than just hate or ally which is just a form of ganging up on someone. Ideologues like you are revealed for how hateful they are when they can't understand that my criticism of certain sociocultural values put forward by gay culture are negative, just like i would say so of those vehiculated by rap. is far from hate, but rather asking people to comply to national culture, just i am complying to national culture.

Shit i'm not even asking anything from homosexuals than to question themselves about naked capitalism and if this hedonist culture is really what they want as representative of themselves. they don't have to rebel and be decadent idiot and what i am refering to is the main ideology. It could be a better culture.



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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14093649 - 03/09/11 05:04 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do so, you tolerate homosexuality as long as it doesn't infringe your right or any kind of craplike that. Homosexuals will only truly be part of your nation the day they make sacrifice for the nation.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: communeart]
    #14093671 - 03/09/11 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

They already serve but then again, that is a moronic assertion.  Most people do not serve in the military.  As far as I know that is true of all nations except Switzerland and, wait for it, Israel. 

Since a very tiny percentage of the female population serves in the military do you consider them second class citizens, too?


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14093724 - 03/09/11 05:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I did not mean sacrifice as in military service really, just an overall sacrifice, they must keep their interests as a group down in order to keep the nation strong. they must fight for their rights as well, but the attitude should not be one of individualistic hedonism that people such as you are clearly encouraging, i do not really mean to blame the gay community either, really it is a capitalist ideology and school of thought which inevitably influence people in real life and it does end up influencing homosexuals as they rebel against the church and thus tend to joke about the sacred.

My argument is that capitalist individualist society uses those oppressed groups and falsely promises them a world without persecution, a world where they are just the same as everyone while in reality they have to live with the way they were born. In reality most homosexuals would listen to what i have to say and find it an unusual discourse but would accept my arguments as they very well know that satisfying their sexuality is not done in the exact same way socially etc.

This is the same as the poor, they are very well willing to sacrifice themselves for a greater goal, and so will the homosexuals, the woman and the youth, only if you give them an honest speech instead of manipulating their sadness.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: communeart]
    #14093839 - 03/09/11 05:35 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

joke about the sacred.

What's sacred about a made up God?


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14093978 - 03/09/11 06:02 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What's sacred about a made up God?



by trying to break a taboo you just turned this made up god into a sacred thing.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: communeart]
    #14094012 - 03/09/11 06:05 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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I did not mean sacrifice as in military service really, just an overall sacrifice, they must keep their interests as a group down in order to keep the nation strong. they must fight for their rights as well, but the attitude should not be one of individualistic hedonism that people such as you are clearly encouraging, i do not really mean to blame the gay community either, really it is a capitalist ideology and school of thought which inevitably influence people in real life and it does end up influencing homosexuals as they rebel against the church and thus tend to joke about the sacred.

My argument is that capitalist individualist society uses those oppressed groups and falsely promises them a world without persecution, a world where they are just the same as everyone while in reality they have to live with the way they were born. In reality most homosexuals would listen to what i have to say and find it an unusual discourse but would accept my arguments as they very well know that satisfying their sexuality is not done in the exact same way socially etc.

This is the same as the poor, they are very well willing to sacrifice themselves for a greater goal, and so will the homosexuals, the woman and the youth, only if you give them an honest speech instead of manipulating their sadness.



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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: communeart]
    #14094039 - 03/09/11 06:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What's sacred about a made up God?



by trying to break a taboo you just turned this made up god into a sacred thing.




I didn't do anything of the sort. The ignorance of others did that.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: communeart]
    #14094112 - 03/09/11 06:20 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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What's sacred about a made up God?



by trying to break a taboo you just turned this made up god into a sacred thing.



What taboo?  Against assailing muhammed as a pedophile murder encouraging dog humper?  That aint no taboo in my culture.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14096236 - 03/10/11 02:39 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When did you get a culture?


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14098686 - 03/10/11 03:33 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Their intent is to convert people to Islam and use Islamic law all around the world, not in the US alone.  The threat of that actually happening in the US is low, our future is going to be a catholic/secular Hispanic one.  But Europe is sure a prime target.  They import Muslims as fast as they can, and Muslim majorities in Europe are the future.  Islamic law is a valid threat for Europe over the next couple hundred years.  I hope the future Muslim, European citizens embrace secularism, but I'm not convinced they will.





In the same way that Christianity is a threat to much of the world. Take a look at history.





Ahh, sweet truth.  Muslims are mostly peaceful, but it is a fact that, at this point in time, most violent extremists are muslim by religion.  There are different reasons for this, but it is the case. 

Is it an intrinsic part of Islam or just a part of the cultures there?  Idk.  But I do know that you would have to look hard for a violent Protestant, Catholic or Budhhist extremist group.  Make what you will of these facts, but they are facts. 

As an Atheist living happily with people of various faiths I feel like I can look at this in a relatively objective manner.  As a side note all of the Jews/Christians/Muslims/Atheists I know don't express any desire to force their religion on others.  I think when people are Americanized they learn not to think like that.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: natural medicine]
    #14098744 - 03/10/11 03:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

It seems to me that most religious hatred goes underground when confronted directly or when world opinion is strong against it.  There are more subtle methods of getting the job done.

But of course it's true that Christianity did most of it's amazing amounts of dirty work in the past as far as outright murder, torture, stealing and such.  What bothers me is that once it's in the past for many it's like it never happened and the guy doing it now should be wiped off the face of the earth when the exact same thing should have been done to all the nastiness we were involved in. Fortunately or unfortunately there was no one around to do it.  It just seems a little hypocritical to me. :shrug:


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14104094 - 03/11/11 01:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Ahh, sweet truth.  Muslims are mostly peaceful, but it is a fact that, at this point in time, most violent extremists are muslim by religion.  There are different reasons for this, but it is the case.

Is it an intrinsic part of Islam or just a part of the cultures there?  Idk.  But I do know that you would have to look hard for a violent Protestant, Catholic or Budhhist extremist group.  Make what you will of these facts, but they are facts.

As an Atheist living happily with people of various faiths I feel like I can look at this in a relatively objective manner.  As a side note all of the Jews/Christians/Muslims/Atheists I know don't express any desire to force their religion on others.  I think when people are Americanized they learn not to think like that.




False, they are atheist and thus hide behind freemasonic morality as they broke christianity. The murderer always get his point across in history.

Your ideas could not be more imperialist, under the pretense that the violence and extremism is not done under the same type of codified recognized evil of our time that our past generation had to face, and never saw it coming in time. Torture was legalized, you have no idea just how much people suffered as a result of this legal classification.

You do not even recognize the violence in your own society but know very well those of others, you should respect the leaders of other countries taking care of their own terrorist but then again you listen to your own leaders when it comes to fear mongering. The united states invested heavily against the iranian revolution. http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=44706 now iran is investing heavily

We have to ask ourselves, are we naive or did i just read Hillary Clinton call the government of Iran a bunch of losers with few friends and that she is going to do everything in her power to keep their influence at bay. isn't she quite a bitch? why can't both government naively communicate their ideas/arguments as to why they think their form of governement is best for the people there, cause it's about the people not the ressources right? This is what is constantly going on with the united states, constantly trying to freeze communications and buy all the tv time for their propaganda, then do more sanctions etc. it's constantly aggressive and constantly trying to influence and hurt other nations . it's a total pain in the ass to manoeuver in any sort of way when you are a country like Iran, this is the whole dissuasion and why others don't follow suit in rebellions.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: Icelander]
    #14104096 - 03/11/11 01:54 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Mubarek isn't the one who made peace with Israel, Sadat was.  The Muslim Brotherhood assassinated him for it.




we are talking about the blockade, beside mubarrack instaured an anti-drug dictatorship for yeras in order to seize whatever goods he felt like all the time. how is that not fucking fishy.


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    #14104262 - 03/11/11 02:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Pretty much every country in the world has drug prohibition.  And they have laws against arms trafficking.  But they haven't all almost completely shut down borders.


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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14104317 - 03/11/11 02:36 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes but exactly, mubarak's emergency or martial laws were totally out of nowhere and for no reason, you would have to be a fool to believe it has nothing to do with israel, even if just psychologically soldiers will be able or more justified to search things.


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    #14104328 - 03/11/11 02:38 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes but exactly, mubarak's emergency or martial laws were totally out of nowhere and for no reason, you would have to be a fool to believe it has nothing to do with israel, even if just psychologically soldiers will be able or more justified to search things.



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Re: Fear of Sharia Law [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14104344 - 03/11/11 02:42 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosni_Mubarak#Emergency_law_rule

they are under emergency law since 1967, Nasser put those rules in place in order to streamline the opposition to israel and western powers. why are those rules still in place? the government does not support elections it is even under emergency law, something very different than even a dictatorship!! the new world order of alex jones is constantly under emergency law, 1984 is constantly under emergency law. how can you even justify that.

they used drugs to justify that dictatorship by the way.


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    #14104363 - 03/11/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosni_Mubarak#Emergency_law_rule

they are under emergency law since 1967, Nasser put those rules in place in order to streamline the opposition to israel and western powers. why are those rules still in place? the government does not support elections it is even under emergency law, something very different than even a dictatorship!! the new world order of alex jones is constantly under emergency law, 1984 is constantly under emergency law. how can you even justify that.

they used drugs to justify that dictatorship by the way.



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    #14104488 - 03/11/11 03:12 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

boy are your teeth rotten.


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