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Re: evolutionists [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070163 - 03/05/11 10:05 AM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

My point is I don't think we're going to stop growing. Our planet's limitations won't stop us - our abstract thought, our hunger to grow is beyond the need to merely survive. So back to my main question, where did this drive come from? Why did evolution put this into us? I think it's more than just survival...

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Re: evolutionists [Re: junkyardgod]
    #14070172 - 03/05/11 10:08 AM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

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My point is I don't think we're going to stop growing




:confused:  How is that even possible?  No matter how much abstract thought we have, there is a finite amount of resources and space for us in the universe.

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Re: evolutionists [Re: DieCommie]
    #14070196 - 03/05/11 10:14 AM (13 years, 2 hours ago)

Well, as it stands the Universe is constantly expanding...we don't know just how finite our resources are. In fact, I think there are too many resources for our 'abstract thoughts' to even imagine...

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Re: evolutionists [Re: junkyardgod]
    #14070360 - 03/05/11 10:56 AM (13 years, 1 hour ago)

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It did more than simply assist us - that's not the question. What I'm asking is why our thought process didn't stop evolving at a certain point?


Obviously because it aided us well in survival--don't you know how evolution works?


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What drove humanity forward?


What exactly do you mean?


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At some point I think nature on Earth stopped being our 'primary threat' and our own ideas took its place.


Why do you think this at some point?


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You can hardly call Humans vs. Other Creatures a competition anymore. On a basic level, sure, they still compete for their survival. But we control or have the means to control every available resource on the planet. Their survival is as much under our control as our own.


So just because we're better at competing on this planet than other creatures, this means that there is no competition between us? :confused:


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By our "need to destroy" I mean humanity seems to have an underlying drive to be better itself at the expense of its surroundings. Our need to expand doesn't REQUIRE us to destroy but we do it anyway out of convenience. We're aware of the consequences of our actions yet we choose to destroy things anyway. What gives, humanity? At what point exactly did we evolve into heartless parasites?


All animals are like that, it's just life, breh. :blewmeanie:


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Note that the next smartest animals alive are highly social beings - whales, dolphins, apes, elephants. Social beings have more interaction and therefore a greater need for competition to prove they're the 'fittest to survive'/'possess the best genes for reproduction'. Humanity is way beyond this point, but I think that's the key - the idea to stick together.


What do you mean by "way beyond this point", and what are you saying the idea to stick together is the key to?


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: evolutionists [Re: Poid]
    #14070929 - 03/05/11 01:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I feel like at some point our ingenuity stopped being solely for survival. I feel like we've evolved to the point of overcoming the basic elements of Nature, which gives us time to ponder useless questions; curiosity now seems to be the driving force behind our genius. We crave to know the Unknown. Instead of Nature being our primary threat and humanity asking questions to survive, we now ask questions that are so abstract that they cannot possibly aid in survival. Gods? Infinity? Parallel Universes? Extra Dimensions? There are so many theories out there that have NOTHING to do with survival (even if they can be explained away in a survival sense). When did we reach this point in evolution?

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Re: evolutionists [Re: junkyardgod]
    #14073692 - 03/06/11 12:09 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I feel like at some point our ingenuity stopped being solely for survival.


What do you mean?


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I feel like we've evolved to the point of overcoming the basic elements of Nature, which gives us time to ponder useless questions; curiosity now seems to be the driving force behind our genius.


When was it not? :confused:


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We crave to know the Unknown. Instead of Nature being our primary threat...


Are you saying our primary threat is unnatural? :undecided:


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...and humanity asking questions to survive, we now ask questions that are so abstract that they cannot possibly aid in survival. Gods? Infinity? Parallel Universes? Extra Dimensions? There are so many theories out there that have NOTHING to do with survival (even if they can be explained away in a survival sense). When did we reach this point in evolution?


Many animals do things to entertain themselves, this isn't very profound; I'm not sure when we reached this point in evolution. :justdontknow:


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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