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joemolloy
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Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction?
#14069826 - 03/05/11 07:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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So which is better for extracting mescaline? A water or an Everclear extraction? Here's what I did:
First I powdered my live cuttings. 16 inches of cactus equals about 100 grams of dried San Pedro.
I took 100 grams of San Pedro powder and extracted it using Everclear. There were a total of three soaks over a few weeks and then I evaporated the alcohol down to a tar and gelcapped it. I took all ten gelcaps and barely felt anything – it was a very mild trip. I was pissed because this was a fresh batch of cuttings I recently purchased and I guess they are weak. I have over 60 feet of Pedro from this particular batch so I am not giving up. Keep in mind that my Everclear extractions have always worked in the past especially at 100 grams, so this batch of cactus is obviously low in alkaloids.
Last week I finished making a tea out of 100 grams of San Pedro powder from the same batch. There were three boils at three hours each. I have evaporated the tea down to a tar and gelcapped it. This came to 20 gelcaps and I just popped them down 90 minutes ago. We'll see how this trip compares with weak Everclear trip.
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: joemolloy]
#14069931 - 03/05/11 08:13 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good luck and good vibes. 
Looking forward to your report.
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: Nature Boy]
#14069975 - 03/05/11 08:37 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think alcohol is way easier cuz it doesn't bring out the sliminess of the cactus. Way easier to work with than a bunch of snot.
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: nicechrisman]
#14070000 - 03/05/11 08:50 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very interested how this turns out, I have about 20 feet of san pedro waiting to be consumed. Has anyone done a pure mescaline xtract? If so, how did it compare to the water/everclear mixed alkaloid extracts?
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: phxBoomer]
#14070109 - 03/05/11 09:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just made my first extraction the other day!

Mescaline HCL. Very excited to give it a go. I've tried HCL salt on two separate occasions years ago and had a great time, this will be my first dose from my own extraction.
I've never tried the tar or tea before though. Interested in seeing your results joe!
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: nicechrisman]
#14070137 - 03/05/11 09:58 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Boozie said:

I just made my first extraction the other day!

Mescaline HCL. Very excited to give it a go. I've tried HCL salt on two separate occasions years ago and had a great time, this will be my first dose from my own extraction.
I've never tried the tar or tea before though. Interested in seeing your results joe!
Nice looking pile you have there! Did you do clean up those crystals at all because they look pretty damn white. Whats your methodology?
And then back to the main topic.. Nice work joe molloy, I appreciate the side by side comparison that you have going on here. Its been about 2 hours, if you're around are you feeling anything yet?
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nicechrisman said: I think alcohol is way easier cuz it doesn't bring out the sliminess of the cactus. Way easier to work with than a bunch of snot.
I haven't figured out/tested out all the details but there's a thread over at the nexus that discusses using acetone to crash out a lot of the slimey gunk in a tea to leave behind a very liquidy tea..
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joemolloy
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: floatingwater]
#14070207 - 03/05/11 10:17 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Another dud. A few morals of the story: 1. Water and Everclear are about equal with weak cactus. 2. I have bad luck 3. Test your San Pedro before buying in bulk. 4. Bridgesii has always delivered and never disappointed. 5. 200 grams of this shit San Pedro will be my next dose. 6. Everclear is easier than water but more expensive. 7. Next week I am eating bridgesii. 8. DMT is still bullshit
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: floatingwater]
#14070231 - 03/05/11 10:24 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice looking pile you have there! Did you do clean up those crystals at all because they look pretty damn white. Whats your methodology?
I didn't, actually! That pile is from the very first pull. I'm still kinda debating whether or not to wash them. I guess it could only help, right?  I pretty much just followed Ekstaza's tek to the "T".
Not trying to thread-jack, joe, my apologies! Back to the main topic...
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: joemolloy]
#14070269 - 03/05/11 10:34 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definitely agreed on the bridgesii. I've had intense trips on as little as 6 inches.
Have you tried stressing your pedro? Put your cuttings in a dark closet for a month or two before using. It's supposed to really increase potency. I've never not stressed my cacti though, so I really can't tell you how significant the increase is.
Why is DMT bullshit? 
@ Boozie
I really don't think you need to wash that. It's extra work, and your stuff looks ridiculously pure already.
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joemolloy
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: BothHands]
#14070358 - 03/05/11 10:56 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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These were stressed cactus.
I am high right now from the cactus, but I wouldn't call this tripping. It's borderline between tripping and being high. The world is pretty, the colors are brighter, and all I need is a little push to get to the proper headspace. I've always been a hardhead with psychedelics. I'm thinking about puffing on some changa, but I probably won't
Oh, my DMT experiences have proposed alternate ways of viewing reality and my place in it. I call bullshit on those ideas, their implications, and the validity and content of the experience as nothing more than mental masturbation. Your mileage may vary.
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joemolloy
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: joemolloy]
#14070402 - 03/05/11 11:05 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Extracted mescaline a la DLimo or A/B feels like Diet Mescaline, even at very high doses to me. I feel its a waste of time, cactus, energy, and tripping potential to bother with it. Nothing compares to a full bodied cactus trip from good tar. That shit gets into every cell of your body like oil and lubricates you nice with psychedelic goodness. I'm literally bursting with universal orgasm with a good tea or tar. I've never come near that feeling with A/B mescaline. Some will disagree, but my body chemistry tells me another story.
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floatingwater
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: joemolloy]
#14070491 - 03/05/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry to hear that the cactus wasn't everything you had hoped for.. But yeah, I guess weak cactus is weak cactus anyway you prepare it. It turns out similar in the end.
Thanks for the report though!
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: joemolloy]
#14070567 - 03/05/11 11:49 AM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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Use anhydrous ethanol (99%+ pure ethanol) for tar extraction. If you want mescaline HCl use an acid/base extraction. Screw water. Shit's weak.
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Re: Cactus Experiment - Everclear or Water Extraction? [Re: German Kahuna]
#14070602 - 03/05/11 12:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago) |
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water definitely takes some patience, but whats your method for making anhydrous alcohol? I've seen the Potassium carbonate trick but i'm not sure how well it would work to recover the alcohol after it seperates from the water.
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